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Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)

I'm not to concerned with gov't funded healthcare, similar to what most European countries are running, I just don't like the gov't mandating we purchase a product or service while exempting themselves from that same law. Health care as it is in this country is broken. Something needs to be done to fix it. I would like to see the insurance companies either go away or drastically lower their profits. Its ridiculous when a man in his 60's with coverage is told that he'll be expected to pay $35k out of pocket if he goes through insurance, but gets off paying only $3500 while keeping the insurance company uninvolved.

Healthcare in this country is far from broken. We have the best healthcare in the world.

I would agree that healthcare insurance could be improved, but Obamacare is not the answer. To put 30 million people on healthcare insurance (some of whom don't want it) at the expense of 100+ million people is just crazy.
 
Our hospitals and doctors are great, yeah, but costs are out of control. Insurance is a big part of those ridiculous costs and a big part of the healthcare system. Therefore, the system is flawed; it's broken.
 
I agree that the system is broken, but a MASSIVE new government program/system/leech is not the solution. If the goal is to make healthcare affordable then we need to look at the cost drivers. Insurance is one, but doctors pay is another. Driving doctors pay are high costs of schooling and soaring medical malpractice rates. (We have a friend who is a pediatrician and she told us her OBGYN's malpractice insurance yearly premiums are more than her salary!)

Another cost driver is hospital expenses, also driven up by malpractice insurance premiums, government regulations, etc...

It's basic business: lower costs and you can lower the price on services you offer. Shifting those costs to the general public does not make them magically disappear...

To fix the problem you need to address the cost drivers across the entire industry. If having the gober'ment step in and take over was the correct solution then we should have just rolled out Medicare/Medicaid to everyone!
 
I agree that the system is broken, but a MASSIVE new government program/system/leech is not the solution. If the goal is to make healthcare affordable then we need to look at the cost drivers. Insurance is one, but doctors pay is another. Driving doctors pay are high costs of schooling and soaring medical malpractice rates. (We have a friend who is a pediatrician and she told us her OBGYN's malpractice insurance yearly premiums are more than her salary!)

Another cost driver is hospital expenses, also driven up by malpractice insurance premiums, government regulations, etc...

It's basic business: lower costs and you can lower the price on services you offer. Shifting those costs to the general public does not make them magically disappear...

To fix the problem you need to address the cost drivers across the entire industry. If having the gober'ment step in and take over was the correct solution then we should have just rolled out Medicare/Medicaid to everyone!

Exactly.

Case in point... My grand father recently had a blood clot in his leg which was found (thankfully) before any real damage was done. The remedy was 4 shots of blood thinner and a couple hours of a stay in the hospital. The cost?... $15,000

Sounds reasonable right? :banghead:
 
This country could do itself a great service if they would go like places in Europe and work hard to get rid of frivolous law suits. I think it's England where if you bring a law suit for damages forward and you lose, you are responsible for all costs including the other peoples defense and court time.

So in reality...if you want to fix the health care system...kill all the lawyers.
 
This country could do itself a great service if they would go like places in Europe and work hard to get rid of frivolous law suits. I think it's England where if you bring a law suit for damages forward and you lose, you are responsible for all costs including the other peoples defense and court time.

So in reality...if you want to fix the health care system...kill all the lawyers.

Frankly, I envision something for private lawsuits similar to the Grand Jury for major crimes:

A body is empanelled (and refreshed at regular intervals - every year or so, say) with a few private citizen volunteers and one or two MD/DO/PAs. Maybe a JD. But that's a damned thin maybe.

Before a lawsuit may proceed, it gets put before this panel to determine its merit.

The body has the power to levee fines in the event of attempts to bring a frivolous lawsuit. The options are:
- Proceed with suit
- Dismiss without prejudice (leaves the door open for later)
- Dismiss with prejudice (you are disallowed from bringing it forth again, subject to heavy fines. You may also be fined in this case)
- Frivolous suit without grounds. (You get fined for this one. Possibly even fined hard.)

Fines assessed by this body are put toward servicing the principal on the Public Debt, and bypass the General Fund at all levels. (Why? Because I'm tired of us owing everyone money! Fixing the cause of the Public Debt is material for another discussion - but, in this case, everyone benefits from assessed fines, not just government nitnoys...)
 
I'm taking the fine. Obamacare is terrible. I would have voted for a single payer system. Nothing like forcing people to take part in a for profit system with epic problems.

I don't understand how people claim Obamacare is socialist. Single payer systems are socialist, they use tax money paid in by everyone to allocate medical care. Obamacare is about as handcuffed capitalist as you can get IMO. Unless you are talking of the failed systems of socialism that aren't actually socialism but just masked attempts. Big surprise, every single person in the government is useless.
 
Due to being uninsurable under the old system, I actually am one of the few to gain from Obummer care. Still, I would rather have seen it crushed. I have self insured for the last 10 years or so. I put back some every month into a savings account.

For my self alone, it will be around $700 a month and if we do both my wife and myself, it is well over $1000 a month.

The "fine" is going to be a couple of grand for the wife and myself. They keep talking about a $90 fine. That is if you have no income, otherwise it is 1% for the both of us.
 
This country could do itself a great service if they would go like places in Europe and work hard to get rid of frivolous law suits. I think it's England where if you bring a law suit for damages forward and you lose, you are responsible for all costs including the other peoples defense and court time.

So in reality...if you want to fix the health care system...kill all the lawyers.

IF ONLY!!
 
I wouldn't be against a single payer system if we fixed the costs (malpractice, etc) so we wouldn't be paying 65% taxes just to fund it like some countries do.
 
With Obama realizing that the law is broken and the majority of Americans feel lied to and violated, he's pulling out the stops and declaring that it will cost too much to repeal it? http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/193590-obamacare-blitz-coming-to-an-end

That's like selling me a box of donuts and when I open it, I find out that it's actually dog crap and then you tell me I have to keep it on my coffee table because the ground is frozen and it would be WAY too hard to bury it.

Fix is simple, I have 3 toilets in my house........which is where the ACA belongs. It will cost America tenfold to keep it, flush it and start over.
 
Start over? I think you're fully aware this administration doesn't operate that way. The anointed one has way too much ego to admit that his signature POS legislation is a turd.
 
The Obama care act lost in votes to wether it becomes a act or not, but that didn't stop Obama he made it a new act illegally he broke a amendment in the constitution. After Obama care was made a new act he needed a website for people to sign up for it. So Michelle hires her old friend from college company it's a Canadian company they spent billions of dollars on a website that doesn't even work halfway. Michelle broke a law your not supposed to hire a somebody that your friends with. After Obama found out that their was much people signed up for Obama care he went back and changed the fine you get each year for not having Obama care and doubled the amount. Theirs another amendment Obama broke.
 
Has anyone stopped to think about the reason WHY the government is pushing for socialized health care in our nation of 1%ers? Before taking judgment that I'm defending the Act, please read this entire post!

Let's dive in head first:

Simply put; I don't personally know of anyone that can afford the ridiculous prices of our health care system. As most people know by now, the majority of our nation lives pay check to pay check. With that in mind, how can anyone afford to fund the latest super high-tech hospitals, the Patrick Dempsey miracle doctors, their student loans, AND the deep pockets of the insurance companies? A good friend of mine's mother in law had to move to central America so she could actually afford to get treatments which cost $2,000 PER DAY here in the states. Same quality of treatment as in the US, yet only a fraction of the cost.

Now the first rational argument that comes to mind might be that these people simply need to spend their money wiser. While this may be true for some, the facts of wage history combined with steady inflation disproves the argument completely.

One recent story that highlights this problem came out not too long ago. McDonald's recently announced the creation of their "Mc Help-Line" which is supposed to help their employees (over 50% of them in fact) obtain government assistance in order to live. All in the name of good cheap food which as most will agree, isn't exactly cheap or healthy. Now take a minute and think about the process. The tax payers are literally now helping fund the lives of over half of McDonald's Employees! Now with the precedent set, It's only a matter of time before other imperialist companies follow suit.

Now let's go even deeper...

Over the past 40 years, the average wage for almost every profession has been stagnant in relationship to inflation. To counter this, some companies have implemented an inflation based raise across the board to all of their employees. However these same companies will typically just fire the employee once they've become too expensive and replace them with someone younger and cheaper. No news there right? So in a nut shell, the exec's keep their insane paychecks and bonus' while taking advantage of their employees.

The Independent research organization: State of Working America, has been doing research since the 70's, and has highlighted this in their book:



As noted above, tax policy has very little (if anything) to counter this insane corporate greed. After all, the people who write their own paychecks have ways to get around that. ;)

If after all this you still don't agree with me, do some research of your own. Go back in time and look at the historical average of your own wage (www.bls.gov). Then properly adjust the wage for market inflation of each year until today. This is exactly what companies do to adjust the pricing of their products, so why shouldn't you? Once you have your surprising findings, go into your bosses office and demand this adjusted wage. Riiiight. ;)

Wake up people. It's only a matter of time. :)

Answer me this question. What is the government doing in the insurance business? TO MAKE MONEY, if theirs more presidents like Obama were going to go from a mixed economy to a command economy like North Korea.
 
The Obama care act lost in votes to wether it becomes a act or not, but that didn't stop Obama he made it a new act illegally he broke a amendment in the constitution. After Obama care was made a new act he needed a website for people to sign up for it. So Michelle hires her old friend from college company it's a Canadian company they spent billions of dollars on a website that doesn't even work halfway. Michelle broke a law your not supposed to hire a somebody that your friends with. After Obama found out that their was much people signed up for Obama care he went back and changed the fine you get each year for not having Obama care and doubled the amount. Theirs another amendment Obama broke.

No "amendments" were broken, CGI has held the contract with the US since 2007, a classmate of mrs obamas (1 of 10000) joined the company years later, just a convenient republican fact
The new fertilizer salesman in my region went to school with me.....I'll be waitin fo the amendment police to come arrest us
 
The Obama care act lost in votes to wether it becomes a act or not, but that didn't stop Obama he made it a new act illegally he broke a amendment in the constitution. After Obama care was made a new act he needed a website for people to sign up for it. So Michelle hires her old friend from college company it's a Canadian company they spent billions of dollars on a website that doesn't even work halfway. Michelle broke a law your not supposed to hire a somebody that your friends with. After Obama found out that their was much people signed up for Obama care he went back and changed the fine you get each year for not having Obama care and doubled the amount. Theirs another amendment Obama broke.

Oh Boy, ditching School much? :twak::roflmao::moon:
 
Where do you think I learned it from my history of my economics teacher who has a college degree in teaching and is a conservative like my self and most of my county.


You should have paid more attention to your English teacher.
I just hope his grammar and spelling is not as bad as yours. :roflmao::moon:
 
Why are you gonna believe somebody who's spent more money than all the presidents combined in US history? Obama care was illegally made an act. Why couldn't he get some company here in the USA to build a website? Websites don't cost billions of dollars. You need to go back to school.
 
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