Exo vs Internal Cages

[Gecko]

I need to know more about internal and exocages. I looked and cant find anything online, just some mentions of other peoples cages. Can anyone tell me the differences, strengths and weaknesses or each? One better than the other?

[ZachMan]

The EXO considered by many as ugly, but it also keeps sheet metal straighter when you go bottom side up. Interior cages are nice because they are clean and from the outside your Jeep looks stock. Either way you got to know what your doing when building one.

As much as I don't like exos especially a DD I will be doing one. A cage for me is to keep me and my Jeep safe, not just me. I don't want to roll my Jeep once then have to cut the top off it and all that, especially a 2000.

[XJJPR]

I'm getting the popcorn for this one!

hinkley :D

[Rev Den]

Not trying to be a prick....but...this subject gets hit about once a month. Try a search for EXO, CAGE, ROLL...etc.


Rev

[Grant]

Exo's
Protect body somewhat
Provides roll protection for the occupants if designed and built correctly.
Very difficult to brace laterally, but can be overbuilt to compensate
Heavier and more tube for similar protection as an internal cage.

Internal
Best protection for occupants if designed and built correctly.
Can be braced laterally/diagonally.
Can be lighter than an exo cage for equal protection
No protection to exterior.

Best cage for your XJ is going to depend on your use of your vehicle.

Slow rock crawling rollovers, an exo will be fine.
High Speed desert racing, I'd go with an internal cage as safety of occupants would be a high priority.

Best solution for an XJ is probably a combination of the two. Search for pics of Farmer Matt's, Goatman's, and Crash's cages. About the best executed cages I've seen.

[Jes]

How much shipped to 94110?

[Beezil]

do both.

I just took a HARD HARD roll onto my roof....didn't even touch the side, since I fell from a ledge.

the cage DIDN'T BUDGE.

That thing is TESTED to the extreme.

From here on out, I will be an annoying pain in the ass when it comes to this topic....I strongly believe that exo-only is a total waste...

Its gotta start with a REAL, triangulated design that doesn't bother with trying to keep glove box and heater vents working....if you wanna strap on an exo after that, by all means.....

http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/scal10.JPG

[XJJPR]

Ya but, Beezil that thing is just UGLY!

Hunter want to know when he can have it for his Jungle Jim? :D

hinkley

[4ward]

You can keep your glove box and heater vents, or do you think 95% of the cages out there don't work, hmmmmmmmmmm? Stop posting spobi there capt'n crunch. Oh yeah, fix your fawkin' cage before you post more pics of it you loser.

Sean

[XJJPR]

I now just realized what that thing reminds me of, it has been bugging me and I now have it!

Doesn't it look like one of those little trick cars at some redneck fair which stop real fast and the roll over back to their wheels! That's it! What are they called? Beezil you could get a special plate calling it that! :D

hinkley

[Gecko]

Thanks grant, thats jsut what i needed, more of a side to side comparison of them. and sorry rev, i was being kinda lazy there, i didnt think about it till after my post. :twak:

[Ralph]

do both.

I just took a HARD HARD roll onto my roof....didn't even touch the side, since I fell from a ledge.

the cage DIDN'T BUDGE.

That thing is TESTED to the extreme.

From here on out, I will be an annoying pain in the ass when it comes to this topic....I strongly believe that exo-only is a total waste...

Its gotta start with a REAL, triangulated design that doesn't bother with trying to keep glove box and heater vents working....if you wanna strap on an exo after that, by all means.....

http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/scal10.JPGBeez, have you thought about a safety net for the door openings? It would help keep your extremities inside the vehicle during a rough roll.

RR3

[Çrestfa||en]

what type of suspension does that thing have in the rear, 1/4 elipticle?

[JeepFreak21]

what type of suspension does that thing have in the rear, 1/4 elipticle?


Let's try to stay on track here... search for posts under his name... he has a few :)

[offroadman83]

So Beezil, that missing b pillar bar/brace didn't hurt your cage at all when you rolled? Can you post the pictures of the top of your cage again as well so everybody can see it again? Probably a really good thing for people that search for this later, as I would like to incorporate your ideas into my cage design which will be soon enough-------Kyle

[CRASH]

Combo internal/external was the best solution for me. My primary consideration is chassis stiffness and longevity. Occupant safety was a concern, but it was secondary, as I believe the stock unibody design is sufficient to protect occupants in most situations, especially slow speed ones.

It would take a LOT of tube to keep your rigs sheetmetal looking good after a roll. Look at C-Roks damage after his back flip in Moab. The tubing deflected a good 6 inches in certain areas.

XJ's are disposable vehicles. Use them, abuse them, throw them away and get a new one. They are so cheap and plentiful that obtaining fresh meat is never a problem.

CRASH

[FarmerMatt]

From here on out, I will be an annoying pain in the ass
Damn... You mean you can get worse? :eek:

The cage design depends on your goals. If your primary goal is for personal protection & chasis stiffeninging than the internal is where it's at, no question. If you're looking for sheet-metal protection than external is what you need. It is difficult to near impossible to make an external cage strong without the internal cage backbone to tie into. Not every cage needs to be has intrusive as Beezils thinks it should be, but remember the more comprimises you make to the design to accomidate luxury the weaker the cage becomes.

Matt

[JeepFreak21]

Beezil, any idea what your rig weights in it's current state?

[CRASH]

I forgot to mention......for rollover protection, I use a Mat-tool. :helpme:

CRASH

Damn... You mean you can get worse? :eek:

The cage design depends on your goals. If your primary goal is for personal protection & chasis stiffeninging than the internal is where it's at, no question. If you're looking for sheet-metal protection than external is what you need. It is difficult to near impossible to make an external cage strong without the internal cage backbone to tie into. Not every cage needs to be has intrusive as Beezils thinks it should be, but remember the more comprimises you make to the design to accomidate luxury the weaker the cage becomes.

Matt

[JnJ]

Since I'm building the MJ now, here is what I'm planning (Subject to change). Your normal pickup rollbar but tied into the frame (ya, the MJ has a frame back there), then a halo over the roof with exo A piller legs running down the front (Ala Goatman) through the fender to the rockrail. On the inside I only plan a B piller hoop tied into the shoulder belt bolts and through the roof to the halo. Of course the B hoop and the Hoop in the bed will be cross braced along with the halo and a brace across the windshield wiper area attaching the two A piller legs together.

[ZachMan]

XJ's are disposable vehicles. Use them, abuse them, throw them away and get a new one. They are so cheap and plentiful that obtaining fresh meat is never a problem.

CRASH

Your right except this, but jeez like the XJs isn't good enough or something. Hell there are tons of almost every 4x4 out there. Lets say screw it and buy a few more just incase. :rolleyes:

I hate hearing that straight from Petersons magazine BS. I don't know anyone who thinks its easy to swap everything onto another XJ. Im talking engine, tranny, t-case, suspension, axles, steering, maybe even some interior pieces. My XJ is a 2000, just finding another for nothing means me getting an XJ 10 yrs. older, sorry not gonna happen with my DD. If you know where I can find a stock 2000 XJ w/ 32k miles for dirt cheap and plentiful PLEASE let me know. Also remember some folks have DD that need roll cages too.

The XJ can be built to withstand anything any other 4x4 can. It just takes more thinking, engineering, and work on the unibody. But hey if anyone can find me 2 or 3 97+ XJs for under $3k let me know. :laugh:

[Beezil]

I don't know anyone who thinks its easy to swap everything onto another XJ.

it is easy.

I did it in one weekend....

95 guts into an 88.

no problem.

[CRASH]

If you are on trails serious enough to require a roll cage in a 2000 XJ, you should not be DDing it.

I DDed my junk back in the day, ran lots of rock trails too. But i never put myself in situations that required a cage.

There is one thing you should know:

If you roll your rig, body damamge is ensured, no matter how much tube you tack on the outside of it.

My advice, keep your 2000 a DD and buy a 10 year old rig for trail duty. that's exactly what my wife and I do.

CRASH

Your right except this, but jeez like the XJs isn't good enough or something. Hell there are tons of almost every 4x4 out there. Lets say screw it and buy a few more just incase. :rolleyes:

I hate hearing that straight from Petersons magazine BS. I don't know anyone who thinks its easy to swap everything onto another XJ. Im talking engine, tranny, t-case, suspension, axles, steering, maybe even some interior pieces. My XJ is a 2000, just finding another for nothing means me getting an XJ 10 yrs. older, sorry not gonna happen with my DD. If you know where I can find a stock 2000 XJ w/ 32k miles for dirt cheap and plentiful PLEASE let me know. Also remember some folks have DD that need roll cages too.

The XJ can be built to withstand anything any other 4x4 can. It just takes more thinking, engineering, and work on the unibody. But hey if anyone can find me 2 or 3 97+ XJs for under $3k let me know. :laugh:

[JnJ]

BS Beezil, it is not EASY!! Ya you can do it in a weekend, that does not make it easy. Some people find changing spark plugs difficult. maybe you should clearify that it was easy for you. I'm in the middle of it now and it's a PITA. I consider something easy if a person with no skill could walk in and do it. A complete drivetrain swap is not "easy". If swapping a radiator is a 4 beer job, the drivetrain swap is an easy case of beer job, though I don't do to well after drinking a case. :)

[Beezil]

"difficult" is hanging 4x12 x 3/4" drywall on a ceiling without a lift.

"easy" is anything that doesn't require swearing, grunting, sweating, worrying, muscle pulling, or getting totally greasy-filthy-dirty. The task is laid out before you, and you do it step by step.

that's why I call it "easy".

if you disagree you should just sell your jeep now.

[JnJ]

"difficult" is hanging 4x12 x 3/4" drywall on a ceiling without a lift.

"easy" is anything that doesn't require swearing, grunting, sweating, worrying, muscle pulling, or getting totally greasy-filthy-dirty. The task is laid out before you, and you do it step by step.

that's why I call it "easy".

if you disagree you should just sell your jeep now.

No, you sell your....er.....egg ship thing!

BTW, so far I have been swearing, grunting, sweating, muscles aching, and I have been totally greasy-filthy-dirty, all swapping the drivetrains.

[BrettM]

Since I'm building the MJ now, here is what I'm planning (Subject to change). Your normal pickup rollbar but tied into the frame (ya, the MJ has a frame back there), then a halo over the roof with exo A piller legs running down the front (Ala Goatman) through the fender to the rockrail. On the inside I only plan a B piller hoop tied into the shoulder belt bolts and through the roof to the halo. Of course the B hoop and the Hoop in the bed will be cross braced along with the halo and a brace across the windshield wiper area attaching the two A piller legs together.


I have an MJ as well and as I've thought about the pros and cons, exo vs inner cage, I think that the inner plus exo cage isn't really neccesary for us. Since the MJ cab ends right behind the driver's seat, you can do just as much diagonal and "X" bracing as an XJ while keeping the cage entirely on the exterior. If/When I get around to caging mine, I will do a hoop just behind the cab with a big X going corner to corners, typical roof halo and A pillar bars, and some long straight bars going from the B pillar hoop to the very back of the frame.

[Scott Mac.]

"difficult" is hanging 4x12 x 3/4" drywall on a ceiling without a lift.

"easy" is anything that doesn't require swearing, grunting, sweating, worrying, muscle pulling, or getting totally greasy-filthy-dirty. The task is laid out before you, and you do it step by step.

that's why I call it "easy".

if you disagree you should just sell your jeep now.

WTF are you doing hangin' 3/4" sheetrock? Does Chicago code require 2.5/3 hr fire ratings in residential structures? You knew I was going to bite on that one, didn't you?

Drivetrain swaps are easy. Difficult to accomplish in one weekend though.

When I do my cage it will be a combo.

[Beezil]

scott, how many years did you have to wait until someone mentioned sheetrock????

[XJJPR]

I have to agree with noone hear, what's new, it is medium easy/hard. It will depend on way too many things, like skill and mods while doing the swap. A straight swap from one rig to the other is the easy part but all the things you doing this time "correctly" to the new jeep can be the hard time consuming part.

Now about selling crap...

:D

hinkley

[4ward]

Now about selling crap...

:D

hinkley

You gettin' rid of that orange contraption so soon?

[XJJPR]

What to buy it?

Everything is for sale!!

hinkley

[Economos]

If you are on trails serious enough to require a roll cage in a 2000 XJ, you should not be DDing it.

I DDed my junk back in the day, ran lots of rock trails too. But i never put myself in situations that required a cage.

There is one thing you should know:

If you roll your rig, body damamge is ensured, no matter how much tube you tack on the outside of it.

My advice, keep your 2000 a DD and buy a 10 year old rig for trail duty. that's exactly what my wife and I do.

CRASH

Agreed. It would be nice to know that I have another rig to drive incase mine doesn't make it back, but I haven't quite reached that finacial status yet. :looser:

[JnJ]

I have to agree with noone hear, what's new, it is medium easy/hard. It will depend on way too many things, like skill and mods while doing the swap. A straight swap from one rig to the other is the easy part but all the things you doing this time "correctly" to the new jeep can be the hard time consuming part.

Now about selling crap...

:D

hinkley
Well, not to agree with you :) but I never said it was hard, I just said it wasn't easy. It's kinda in the middle. And you are right bout the mods, if you were swapping stock to stock, then that would be a little easier. Start with new mods to the structure of the unibody and it'll increase in difficulty.

[mike harris]

Wanna hear the best advice in the world on this subject?Sell you're xj's and buy a M1A1 tank!Good luck flipping one of those!If you do I doubt you can put a dent in it

[JeepFreak21]

Wanna hear the best advice in the world on this subject?Sell you're xj's and buy a M1A1 tank!Good luck flipping one of those!If you do I doubt you can put a dent in it

Can I daily drive it? :D

[CRASH]

Agreed. It would be nice to know that I have another rig to drive incase mine doesn't make it back, but I haven't quite reached that finacial status yet. :looser:

For you pansies worrying about your financial status: I bought a 1988 XJ with 175,000 or so on the ticker and a blown headgasket for $300 bucks.

Get someone's old junk, keep your nice rig nice, and build the piss out of the hoopty.

In the long run you'll be happy.

CRASH

BTW< I saw a cherry MJ in the local pick and pull last year for $200, minus the motor.

[Economos]

For you pansies worrying about your financial status: I bought a 1988 XJ with 175,000 or so on the ticker and a blown headgasket for $300 bucks.

Get someone's old junk, keep your nice rig nice, and build the piss out of the hoopty.

In the long run you'll be happy.

CRASH

BTW< I saw a cherry MJ in the local pick and pull last year for $200, minus the motor.

Hey CRASHit, my Hoopty is my current rig :shhh:

[89TrailXJ]

http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/scal10.JPG

Wow I am really impressed. I would love to do something like that with my 89, but maybe add bars in the door areas as well.

[ZachMan]

My advice, keep your 2000 a DD and buy a 10 year old rig for trail duty. that's exactly what my wife and I do.

CRASH

Sorry for sounding a little harsh before.

I do have other vehicles (97' Supra tt), but I chose to DD my Jeep mainly because of the Supras low mileage value. I am not worried about trail damage I'm not quite to the point of flipping everytime I go wheeling, but there have been a close call or two or three. So its no big deal to get sratches or dents its all part of the game. I also would have started on an older rig, but I keep building what I got mainly because its never had a single problem and its paid for. (In the past I've had problems buying lemons)

[Beezil]

they're hard to see, but there ARE tubes in the door areas, there's a full interior cage in there.

[TB-XJ]

For some of us money isn't the only problem. I plan on putting my DD on the trail and having an exo-cage. For a lot of us it's not so much that we can't financially afford a strictly trail vehicle but some of us live in a city and can't have unlicensed vehicles sitting around in our driveways or vehicles on our property that aren't insured.

I'm a little offended at the fact that just because I have a Jeep daily driver that I also trail pound with on the weekends I'm considered a pansy because I can't afford to have a "trail only" vehicle like some of you. Wheelin isn't all about money and who has the best stuff, it's about enjoying a sport with other people that also enjoy it. It's that kind of attitude that gives Jeepers a bad name.

So CRASH I apologize for all of us people who wheel our daily drivers for not being in your league. Remember a "trail only" vehicle also needs something to pull it with and possibly a trailer and for some of us financially that is not an option. :moon:

[XJJPR]

TB-XJ,

Don't worry he's just a cross dressing pansy (CRASHitt) spewing crap he know little about. :D

Hope that helps! :D :laugh2: :shhh:

hinkley

[TB-XJ]

You know Mark your last name and my last name are only different by one letter? LOL

[Beezil]

where this this come from????????????

did crash start this?

let it be known that naxja is not a "trail rig only" club....

"trail rig only" is made up of a small, small percentage of the paid members....

let it also be known that many, if not most of californias "big jeep set"

DROVE to our last big event.

crash included.

[XJJPR]

You know Mark your last name and my last name are only different by one letter? LOL

Your last name *Pinkley*? :D

Joke!

hinkley


Just found your corret one! :D
Terrible what you can find out on the internet!

[Overdriven]

Not trying to be a prick....but...this subject gets hit about once a month. Try a search for EXO, CAGE, ROLL...etc.


Rev

Nice XJ Chop. That looks alot like what I plan on doing in the spring. Wierd thing is I have a 90 Red XJ 2dr Sport as well. Email me and let me know the pro's and cons of your chop.

[Economos]

I'm a little offended at the fact that just because I have a Jeep daily driver that I also trail pound with on the weekends I'm considered a pansy because I can't afford to have a "trail only" vehicle like some of you. Wheelin isn't all about money and who has the best stuff, it's about enjoying a sport with other people that also enjoy it. It's that kind of attitude that gives Jeepers a bad name.


I think you've got the wrong idea about CRASH.

[MrShoeBoy]

do both.

I just took a HARD HARD roll onto my roof....didn't even touch the side, since I fell from a ledge.

the cage DIDN'T BUDGE.

That thing is TESTED to the extreme.

From here on out, I will be an annoying pain in the ass when it comes to this topic....I strongly believe that exo-only is a total waste...
http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/scal10.JPG

Beez, do you have any pics of your ride flopped? I know you have posted pics of after but not as it was happening or just happened.

Also put some sheetmetal back on that thing like the front fenders, it just looks naked with out them!:D

O ya, you have always been a pain in the ass, Whats changed?:D:D:D

AARON

[Goatman]

"difficult" is hanging 4x12 x 3/4" drywall on a ceiling without a lift.

"easy" is anything that doesn't require swearing, grunting, sweating, worrying, muscle pulling, or getting totally greasy-filthy-dirty. The task is laid out before you, and you do it step by step.

that's why I call it "easy".

if you disagree you should just sell your jeep now.

I gotta agree with John here. Last year when I rolled my XJ, before I decided to fix it, I went from bumper to bumper and figured/estimated how much time it would take to move everything over to another rig, and re-make all of my custom mounts. This includes axles, suspension, t-case, body armor, air compressor, stereo...everything. I calculated between 150 and 200 hours, and things always take much longer than we plan......WAY too much for me. I got it fixed and built a cage in way less time, and ended up with a better vehicle.

We're also at different levels of usage, some with newer rigs and some with daily drivers. I think everyone should seriously evaluate your own objectives, do a lot of research, and then very thoughtfully design a cage. Also, if you plan to wheel your rig hard enough to need a cage, and actually build one, it makes little difference how new your XJ is......it will have VERY little resale value.

[TB-XJ]

You were close Mark, replace the P with a B and you got it! :roflmao:

[robs]

[QUOTE]http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/scal10.JPG[QUOTE]

Beez!!! Dude... why not just build a buggy??? Seams like it would have been less work...

[Goatman]

do both.

I just took a HARD HARD roll onto my roof....didn't even touch the side, since I fell from a ledge.

the cage DIDN'T BUDGE.

That thing is TESTED to the extreme.

From here on out, I will be an annoying pain in the ass when it comes to this topic....I strongly believe that exo-only is a total waste...

Its gotta start with a REAL, triangulated design that doesn't bother with trying to keep glove box and heater vents working....if you wanna strap on an exo after that, by all means.....



I can vouch for both the hard roll and how well the cage held up.....I was in the passenger seat. :D

Beez makes some good points, and I agree that only an exo cage isn't ideal. I have a combination of internal and external cage. However, Greg (C-Rok) took the hardest roll by far at the 20th Anniversary event, he fell backwards off a near vertical wall and landed on his roof. Greg has only an exo cage, and while he did have a little damage, it was pretty minor considering the violence of the rollover, and his rig is intact, still looks good, and he's wheeling it the way it is.

We can talk about the best cages, and the strongest designs, but I still think it takes very little additional structure to ensure that the people inside are safe. So, adding rigidity and minimizing damage become big issues in my opinion.

[Economos]

Beez!!! Dude... why not just build a buggy??? Seams like it would have been less work...
He did build a buggy. :cool:

[89TrailXJ]

Yeah I see the internal cage, but bars on the outside would look sweet.

[89TrailXJ]

[QUOTE]http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/scal10.JPG[QUOTE]

Beez!!! Dude... why not just build a buggy??? Seams like it would have been less work...
He did, a 4 person buggy. I want to do something like it. I have already started drawing it up.

[JnJ]

He did, a 4 person buggy. I want to do something like it. I have already started drawing it up.

No, that is a two person rig.

[89TrailXJ]

No, that is a two person rig.
Well I know his is, mine will be 4 person though.

[Beezil]

goatman...

you weren't in the rig for the last one!!!

it was fun!

"build a buggy".....

sure, I can.

and I will.....

but I got the cherokee for free, and that's what I started with. It provided me with an important learning platform. Had I built a buggy last year, I'm pretty sure it would have ended up being PURE junk. I'm glad I haven't attempted one yet. I have plenty to learn before I decide to do one.

I am about to purchase a CNC tubing bender, so NOT starting a buggy project yet will have been a good thing. doing the bending work can easily be accomplished in a couple days as opposed to weeks.

"building a buggy" would NOT have been easier. The brain work alone would be the toughest part. and then there's acquiring all the running gear. Sure, any redneck with a welder and a jd-2 can make a buggy, but I'm not interested in making a buggy for the sake of making a buggy. I want one that WORKS!!!!! And when I do a buggy, it sure as hell isn't gonna be with a 4.0/aw-4.....its gonna be with a powertrain that weighs FAR less, less peripheral sensor garbage, but still fuel injection. I smell a V-6 of some sort.

Goat, I dunno man, my definition of "easy" or "difficult" doesn't change when something takes a hundre or so hours to complete.

It would take me a long time to paint my whole house, inside and out, and I consider painting to be stupid-easy.

I guess its a matter of perspective.

mr. shoe.

i do have some pics, just haven't gotten around to posting it.

there was a guy who shot vid, I'm just having a tough time acquiring it to upload it. Maybe glenn will host it for me?

[FarmerMatt]

I forgot to mention......for rollover protection, I use a Mat-tool.

The Mat-tool is sanctioned by many race organizations as an acceptable roll over protection system or ROPS. Although not cheap to make (need years & years of food) once completed you have a dynamic ballast system that will not only aid in ROP, but also aid in forward motion with our patented "Matt Wheel Drive feature". This was developed from years & years of weight training with hay bales & sacks of cement. Don't be fooled by imitators. There is only one Mat-tool. Call today, quantities are limited.

Matt

[Beezil]

I was wondering if you carried "mat-tool" in asshat flavor?

[Goatman]

goatman...

you weren't in the rig for the last one!!!

it was fun!


Goat, I dunno man, my definition of "easy" or "difficult" doesn't change when something takes a hundre or so hours to complete.

It would take me a long time to paint my whole house, inside and out, and I consider painting to be stupid-easy.

I guess its a matter of perspective.


Beez, I guess I'm not hanging around here enough to follow everything, I didn't know you had another hard roll. Is rolling becoming a part of your driving technique? :D :D

I understand what you're saying about easy, but I figure time as an element since I don't have a lot of it. I think in terms of big job/little job rather than easy/hard, and moving everything over to another rig and duplicating/improving all the custom stuff is a BIG job. :)

[FarmerMatt]

I was wondering if you carried "mat-tool" in asshat flavor
Nope only black licorice at this time, but we're starting to work on a polish sausage flavor...

Matt

[Gary E]

I understand what you're saying about easy, but I figure time as an element since I don't have a lot of it. I think in terms of big job/little job rather than easy/hard, and moving everything over to another rig and duplicating/improving all the custom stuff is a BIG job. :)

I agree on this one, I don't really beleive in the whole disposable theme, and I can't beleive Andy is still playing that tune after spending the last few months striping and putting in a cage and a few odds and ends in the princess II, And he still has a long long way to go. Yes its all easy as described by Beezil, each step is easy and uncomplicated but its a pretty major project all together. Not that I think the original princess was very repairable, but I don't see Andy disposing his junk every 2-3 years and rotating vehicles (which is kind of what it sounds like). Its not all bolt on junk also, when you are at the level you start destroying stuff, its quite likely that you have a bunch of junk welded onto the structure.

[JnJ]

Well said, agreed.

[Beezil]

Gary, don't forget, that's not just any jeep that can be kicked to the curb like last summers lawn clippings, that is URF's TEST MULE.

[Gary E]

Oh I agree, its certainly served its time and deserves a simpler life the next time around, maybe it can be recycled into a honda accord and a little ole lady can drive it.

Gary, don't forget, that's not just any jeep that can be kicked to the curb like last summers lawn clippings, that is URF's TEST MULE.

[Drewlee77]

This may be an unanswerable question, since most XJ's with exo-cages are not daily drivers.....

Is there a noticable drop in gas mileage when adding an exo-cage? Of course there is the added weight (which I gather, is even more than an interior cage); but is there enough extra drag added to hurt mileage or add significant wind noise?

[BrettM]

And when I do a buggy, it sure as hell isn't gonna be with a 4.0/aw-4.....its gonna be with a powertrain that weighs FAR less, less peripheral sensor garbage, but still fuel injection. I smell a V-6 of some sort.



3.4 on LPG that's what I would do for cheap, light, good power, run at any angle, etc....

[XJJPR]

I now just realized what that thing reminds me of, it has been bugging me and I now have it!

Doesn't it look like one of those little trick cars at some redneck fair which stop real fast and the roll over back to their wheels! That's it! What are they called? Beezil you could get a special plate calling it that! :D

hinkley

Hey, can't we get back on subject of messing with Beezil's rig!

:D

hinkley

[Beezil]

Like yours is the cats meow with those two dildo knobbies sticking out the top?

you could make money selling sit-and-spin rides at the next gay pride parade.

[XJJPR]

Like yours is the cats meow with those two Dido knobbies sticking out the top?

you could make money selling sit-and-spin rides at the next gay pride parade.
Finally, I didn't want to pick on your rig without you reciprocating. :D

hinkley

[ashmanjeepxj]

TIME for a second pic in this 5 page thread!!!!

My cage is not done, but has alot of good lines and ideas that may help you guys out.

It will be a 4 seater, with cage over the back seats.
It can be run with or with out full doors, I havent made tube doors yet.
You could do this and keep the roof but would need some holes through the body, no big deal. I dove tailed the rear by 12in with the rear roof gone.

Its close to done bust still ugly till I do the finish work..

http://wheelingarizona.com/forums/download.php?id=1457
http://wheelingarizona.com/forums/download.php?id=1452http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139642&pagenumber=6

[ashmanjeepxj]

Tirangulation makes the cage work...
Ive maintined space for back seat leg room and have some well supported braces. The B-hoop x-brace ties into some angle iron plates the are welded to the frame that is sleaved with box tube.

I will this weekend to the rear roof hoop over the back set and do a V-brace on it to the b-hoop just like the front is. This again could be done on top of your roof if you kept the roof, it would just be wider addign more tube...

http://wheelingarizona.com/forums/download.php?id=1459

[Beezil]

alright! a cage with triangulation and a complete disregard for comfort features!

:thumbup:

[Gecko]

Woah! I didnt mean to start a massive lets-hate-beezs-rig thread. I was just lazy and forgetful in trying to find infoe for my senior project. Sorry guys, but enjoy the mudslinging about hard vs. easy and how much beez's rig sucks, it is funny at least.

[Beezil]

Woah! I didnt mean to start a massive lets-hate-beezs-rig thread. I was just lazy and forgetful in trying to find infoe for my senior project. Sorry guys, but enjoy the mudslinging about hard vs. easy and how much beez's rig sucks, it is funny at least.

Its okay, its just hinkley....we'll talk about how much *HE* sucks on your next thread!

[Phil]

Ashman, are you going to be putting any tubes across the door opening?
Would it be possible to make something similar as an exo on an MJ? I think with the exception of tubes across the doors, it could fit snugly around the cab. The b-hoop and cross braces could come down behind the cab and tie in to the frame.

[ashmanjeepxj]

Ashman, are you going to be putting any tubes across the door opening?
Would it be possible to make something similar as an exo on an MJ? I think with the exception of tubes across the doors, it could fit snugly around the cab. The b-hoop and cross braces could come down behind the cab and tie in to the frame.

My cherokee has full hard doors that will be run for now, but soon I will make a set of tube doors with latches, If in addition I do a perminent door bar it will be internal like bezils.

I got 9 more piece of tube (not NInE 20ft sticks!) on it over the weekend Its really comming together now..might be just about done next weekend.