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Do you fly RC aircraft or drones? Please read:

87manche said:
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...keep it below 400 ft and out of controlled airspace.

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Educational point:

A great many uncontrolled airports have Echo to the surface in various distances out, and many Delta's have Echo extensions to the surface.
 
iwannadie said:
People always love footage of disaster and drones do seem good at it.

How close would a typical news helicopter fly to a large tornado?
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and are there full scale aircraft flying in the vicinity of a tornado?

you seem to have a severe disconnect in your brain that forbids you from comprehending english.
 
Captain Ron said:
Educational point:

A great many uncontrolled airports have Echo to the surface in various distances out, and many Delta's have Echo extensions to the surface.
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yes, which is why we now have to ask airport operator permission if we'r withing 5 miles.

and a great many chartered club fields are, because the kinds of places you put county airports are also the kinds of places you put RC fields.
 
GSequoia said:
I usually have no idea what he's talking about but that typically has nothing to do with the subject matter.
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Eh, nothing new there. You are in the majority which probably doesn't scare you.

Scares me though.

:D

87manche said:
yes, which is why we now have to ask airport operator permission if we'r withing 5 miles.

and a great many chartered club fields are, because the kinds of places you put county airports are also the kinds of places you put RC fields.
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You obviously make the effort to be a responsible RC operator and participate in organized groups. Most of these groups educate operators to the hazards and regulations involved in operating RC aircraft which is great. Most pilots have in one way or another participated in this exact type of model flying at some point, and have a deep appreciation for it.

Commercial off the shelf drones are not the problem.

The problem here is, with exceptions, the people that can only fly behind the pilot(s).

Another educational moment for you though. Please be aware that the airport manager is a great place to start, but; not the final responsibility as to the notification of RC operations in the vicinity of an airport.

You/your organization is, as spelled out in the (I belive, don't quote me here...) 8300 order. You can obtain from the FAA, a waiver for most operations of just about any kind in controlled airspace, on a temporary or, semi permanant to permanant basis.

For GA and professional pilots, the most important thing is the "temporary" operations. We are notified via a "NOTAM". This is what the FAA will issue to notify pilot operating in the vicinity of your activities. Permanant / Semi Permanant operations are actually charted, and, listed in the AFD covering the region.

I also have to remind you on a friendly basis, that almost without exception if you are younger than 90 years old or so, the airport was there first...

:D
 
Captain Ron said:
Eh, nothing new there. You are in the majority which probably doesn't scare you.
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I just typicaly chalk to to to Captain Wrong being drunk again. :cheers:


PS - Why you don't wheel with us no more :(


Back on topic. Happened *again* today during the new North fire at I-15 / Hwy 138.

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They had to halt airborne ops for hobbycraft. It was a brush fire that burnt over the highway. I have no idea whey the cars were all stopped so close to the fire zone (freeway closed) to enable them to get burnt over.
 
GSequoia said:
I just typicaly chalk to to to Captain Wrong being drunk again. :cheers:
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No contest practice for 3 weeks, so, I will if you do. :D

GSequoia said:
PS - Why you don't wheel with us no more :(
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So drag me into it. I really miss you guys.

GSequoia said:
Back on topic. Happened *again* today during the new North fire at I-15 / Hwy 138.

They had to halt airborne ops for hobbycraft. It was a brush fire that burnt over the highway. I have no idea whey the cars were all stopped so close to the fire zone (freeway closed) to enable them to get burnt over.
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Geoff, you are unfortunately, going to see this over and over again here. There are so many factors involved that there's just no way to cover them all in a short post. We can say for this thread, that, the population density does play a factor here.

The LAX Class Bravo and adjoining airspace covers an area the size of some states. It makes it very hard to manage all of the certified operations in the event of an emergency when there are "uncertified", "non participating" flight operations.

Bottom line? You will burn before pilots will do what in the past we have taken for granted here because to an exception, professional pilots are not stupid. Risk management is a professional axiom for these guys at a level unfamiliar to the general public.

It sucks.
 
GSequoia said:
Also FYI: http://cook.house.gov/media-center/...bill-to-ban-personal-drone-use-during-federal
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I know this guy. Apple Valley, that where I keep the Extra 300L, and I just flew a contest there in Chapter 49 a few months ago. He was there.

I don't know if he flys, but he certainly see's the downside. I belive his end motivation is the impact on the continuing effort to commercialize So Cal Logistics in Adelanto.

If I remeber right, he's hot on not just civilian usage, be the military too.

Be advised, the military has alot to answer for also in this area. It "has" had an impact on regulated flight operations here.

I could tell you of 2 scary personal encounters. For now, lets just say that most of us glider pilots operating out of Crystal, are very much on our toes.
 
Captain Ron said:
I didn't know that was there... Is it on the public site? Nice find. Thanks for posting that.

I think most VFR only guys get into more trouble than they know and get away with it in low level operations.

Airspace is tough for beginning pilots. And I belive, indicipherable for non pilots.
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My stands guy showed it to me after I got back from Rucker. I have had it open on my phone and iPad ever since (2 years) and still don't remember it all the time.

Of course I'm just a reserve 64 driver who puts up 140 hrs a year including sim time, all local area. The only time I see something besides delta and Echo airspace is flying the I-10 and I-45 corridors below 500'AGL and the only thing ATC has said to me besides clearing me to enter the bravo is giving us a heads up of departing heavy traffic and transitioning to another freq.
 
Captain Ron said:
So drag me into it. I really miss you guys.
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Book me a weekend in September or October. I'll schedule a full weekend AAT. Free camping, have a drink, be obnoxious. You know you want to.
 
Nice to see Cptn Ron posting :)

Hobbycraft... Hmmm pretty broad brush there - pretty much covers non commercial general avaition. The News report specified Drones.

I've not looked at CA airspace, but it seems to me that even under B airspace there is E and that's open to everything. The B inverted cake doesn't reach the ground much outside the airport - or did things change since 9/11?

Tragic fire. Why was the Hwy open to traffic?
 
paddlernate said:
Someone should invent a radio frequency scrambler that could be mounted on the planes that would cause nearby drones to drop from the sky. Problem solved.
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Did you miss the part about 10 pound objects uncontrollably falling from the sky onto people?

Maybe you should drop a 10 pound weight on yourself and test it out first.

Ron, don't NOTAMs come from the operations dept of an airport? That's who we file with when we need something special here on the air station. In a small county airport, that is inevitably the airport manager, who is the one guy that works there.

I learned a lot about airport ops over the years but got a crash course last year in Oshkosh for 8 days.
 
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