PDA

View Full Version : balancing tires with BBs or golf balls


SimpleXJ
May 9th, 2005, 18:16
Hi all. I just got a new set of treads, and was wondering if the smaller tires like a 31" could be balanced with BBs or golfballs or whatever, like the larger ones. I burn thru a set of treads pretty quick - I drive my XJ at work for 6-8 hours a day. So It only takes me about 6 months to wear out a set of tires, and I have to have them balanced all the time. Would putting BBs or something like that inside the tire keep the tire balanced thru out its life so I don't have to see the tire shop every month or so?

Thank you

SimpleXJ

Storydude
May 9th, 2005, 18:42
Yes it would. Finding out the weight needed, on the other hand, is the hard part.

Plus BB's pinging off of the rims get you some strange looks at stop lights.

Clean Racing
May 9th, 2005, 19:08
There used to be a company that sold sand for 4WD users to balance their big tires.... I used about 1/2lb in each wheel when running 36's on my old ford....

Ramsey
May 9th, 2005, 19:13
dont you need special valves for that too. think i'm gonna try some golf balls in my next tires or maybe even my current ones. 33s now, possibly 35s next

ctavel
May 9th, 2005, 19:15
So the idea behind this is that the BB's or golf balls will fly to the outside while driving and balance the tire-- I got that part. But what makes it go to the heavy (or light) spot on the tire?

jeepinandy
May 9th, 2005, 19:19
So the idea behind this is that the BB's or golf balls will fly to the outside while driving and balance the tire-- I got that part. But what makes it go to the heavy (or light) spot on the tire?

centrifical force (sp) kind of like the balancer on your washing machine...

Puma297
May 9th, 2005, 19:26
balancing via golf balls, sand, bb's, etc. is pretty damn ghetto. There is no reason you should need to do that with 31's, traditional wheel weights should suffice. 36's+ I can understand. But its generally a bad idea to have stuff like that being thrown around beating the chit outta the inside of your tires.

ctavel
May 9th, 2005, 19:26
So just by the magical forces of physics the weight goes to where it is needed?

Sorry if I sound like a little kid asking these questions, just want to know how and why--

Ramsey
May 9th, 2005, 19:27
balancing via golf balls, sand, bb's, etc. is pretty damn ghetto. There is no reason you should need to do that with 31's, traditional wheel weights should suffice. 36's+ I can understand. But its generally a bad idea to have stuff like that being thrown around beating the chit outta the inside of your tires.
can you back this up

corbinafly
May 9th, 2005, 19:27
I think this is what you're talking about.http://www.expeditionexchange.com/equal/

jeepinxj05
May 9th, 2005, 19:57
I wanna use sand. How much sand you think would suffice for a 33x12.50 A/t???

TekkaMaki
May 9th, 2005, 20:50
Counteract makes balancing beads for big rigs and they have an application chart in a .pdf on their site listing recommended weights for every size tire
http://www.counteractbalancing.com/

xjj33p3r
May 9th, 2005, 21:01
How exactly can you get these in? I usually get my tires through a main stream dealer, and they see this as unsafe since it could puncture a tire. If you thought balancing a tire with golf balls was confusing, please tell me how a golfball is going to puncture a tire...
Discount tire really is a pain in the butt sometimes.

JeepinKrannyMan
May 9th, 2005, 21:06
I use equal in my 32" Mud Terrains and it works great, no vibrations in the wheel of any sort. I never heard anything about using BBs or golf balls and it seems as it if it would be pretty difficult to find out how many you would need to balance them. I would reccomend trying out equal, it's not expencive, basically just like sand. Just my .02

Ramsey
May 9th, 2005, 21:16
doesnt it make airing down a pain though

JEONLYEP
May 9th, 2005, 21:57
doesnt it make airing down a pain though
Equal will not clog your tire valves and is very suitable for offroad vehicle use. The Equal granules will never reach the valve core because of the fitment of the AirX Filtered Valve Core that comes with every bag of Equal. The AirX Filtered Valve Core is part of every proper Equal installation, no matter who tells you otherwise. If you purchased the Equal granules but were not provided AirX Filtered Valve Cores, you were not dealing with an authorized or trustworthy Equal stockist.

However, installing Equal in your tires will increase the time it takes you air down. The Equal granules will attach to the screen mesh in the AirX Filtered Valve Cores and will restrict the flow of air through your valve stems. Unless you first push air through the valves before airing down in order to push away the Equal granules from the protective screen, you will find your airdown time will increase due to the restricted airflow. This restricted flow is easy to eliminate by injecting some air into the tires to clean the screen mesh on the AirX Filtered Valve Cores prior to airing down. If you do not flush your tires' valves prior to airing down, then air will merely trickle out of the valve stems because of the restricted airflow.
Daryl

Jer
May 9th, 2005, 22:01
I know of a product called airsoft pellets. My brother is running with them and says they are working well. here's some info for anyone who's interested.

http://www.4x4trailhunters.com/article.php?id=18

csuxj
May 9th, 2005, 22:11
In order for this to work effectively, should it be used in conjunction with traditional wheel weights or without?

BrettM
May 9th, 2005, 22:13
In order for this to work effectively, should it be used in conjunction with traditional wheel weights or without?
without wheel weights.

I have 5 golf balls in each of my 35" MTRs and it balances great as long as I have the pressure over 30psi. If I put the pressure much lower I think the flat spot at the bottom of the tire is big enough that it causes the balls to bounce.

thigh19
May 9th, 2005, 22:27
The Problem with the sand is you have to use air with NO moisture in it, otherwise it balls up or turns to concrete. Kind of hard when you need to do a trail fix. I've used BB's in beadlock wheels and 35" tires and it was amazing the results. Use the "run-of-the-mill" steel BB's you can find at the discount store. Don't remember where I got this figure, but 8oz BB's per wheel worked. That's my 2 cents.

Crossett
May 9th, 2005, 22:29
http://www.centramatic.com/

csuxj
May 9th, 2005, 22:30
without wheel weights.

I have 5 golf balls in each of my 35" MTRs and it balances great as long as I have the pressure over 30psi. If I put the pressure much lower I think the flat spot at the bottom of the tire is big enough that it causes the balls to bounce.

So you have a problem with bouncing balls when aired down on the trail? :laugh3:

The site that Jer referenced suggested a 35% increase in tread life, have you noticed an improvement from this type of balancing?

BrettM
May 9th, 2005, 22:41
So you have a problem with bouncing balls when aired down on the trail? :laugh3:

The site that Jer referenced suggested a 35% increase in tread life, have you noticed an improvement from this type of balancing?
yeah, balance is real important at 1/2mph ;)

I've never even heard them hit the wheel, street or trail. you can hear them rolling to a stop though at a stop sign.

Fergie
May 9th, 2005, 22:51
The Problem with the sand is you have to use air with NO moisture in it, otherwise it balls up or turns to concrete. Kind of hard when you need to do a trail fix. I've used BB's in beadlock wheels and 35" tires and it was amazing the results. Use the "run-of-the-mill" steel BB's you can find at the discount store. Don't remember where I got this figure, but 8oz BB's per wheel worked. That's my 2 cents.
You realize that you are completely wrong. You're missing a very key ingredient....right now you just have wet sand, and the cohesive strength of it in a wheel being spun around will keep it from balling.

Fergie

Crossett
May 9th, 2005, 22:54
http://www.centramatic.com/


damn guys, just use these

Starboard M
May 9th, 2005, 23:13
Brett, have you tried more or few golg balls? Are there any balls that are better then others? How do they work on the street and freeway?

BrettM
May 9th, 2005, 23:16
i've only used 5 as that's what i heard of someone else having good luck with on the same tires. the type of golfballs don't matter as far as I know, I just got the cheapest ones at a sporting goods store. they work just dandy on the street and freeway if my tire pressure is over 30. sometimes if I'm on a windy road with potholes I'll get a little extra shake, but nothing real bad.

Starboard M
May 9th, 2005, 23:18
Im thinking about doing this now. Would they work well with 32'' MTRs? Any size too small for the balls? Thanks.

BUCKYXJ
May 10th, 2005, 05:17
Im on my second set of BB balanced tires. This time I decided to have two machine balanced and two with BBs installed to see if I noticed a difference. Well I did the machine balanced tires need to be balanced again and the BB tires are doing great. I used Stainless steel sling shot BB's in mine about 9oz.

These views and opinions are strictly mine, By reading this you agree I am not liable in anyway shape or form for the mishaps with your jeep.
DIG IT!

DaveD912
May 10th, 2005, 05:38
I've used counteract in 31s on a Dodge Ram, it was my DD. I was very happy with it - no vibes and never had to worry about knocking off a wheel weight.

XJEEPER
May 10th, 2005, 05:58
So the proper formula options for a 33" tire is......5 golf balls or 8 oz. of BB's or 1 fist full of sand or 2 KG of Dynabeads?

I'm gonna try 2 Titleist Pro V1's, 3.91 oz. of BB's, 1 4yr. old's fist full of sand, and .085 KG of Dynabeads......and for that little extra boost in mileage, 2 oz. of 100% pure acetone per tire.

Dirk Pitt
May 10th, 2005, 06:15
So the proper formula options for a 33" tire is......5 golf balls or 8 oz. of BB's or 1 fist full of sand or 2 KG of Dynabeads?

I'm gonna try 2 Titleist Pro V1's, 3.91 oz. of BB's, 1 4yr. old's fist full of sand, and .085 KG of Dynabeads......and for that little extra boost in mileage, 2 oz. of 100% pure acetone per tire.

I wouldn't go as far as wasting a Pro V1.

:laugh3:

sloppyjoe
May 10th, 2005, 06:56
So the proper formula options for a 33" tire is......5 golf balls or 8 oz. of BB's or 1 fist full of sand or 2 KG of Dynabeads?

I'm gonna try 2 Titleist Pro V1's, 3.91 oz. of BB's, 1 4yr. old's fist full of sand, and .085 KG of Dynabeads......and for that little extra boost in mileage, 2 oz. of 100% pure acetone per tire.


That is a little out of control... HA...JOE>

TrailHunter
May 10th, 2005, 08:48
It doesn't matter what medium you use, the mass should be the same for the tire size you need. If you look at innovative ballancing's website they have a chart that will show you how much mass you need for your tire size.

Like my brother said earlier about the airsoft pellets. They're cheap. I paid $20 for all four tires and you don't have to run filtered valve cores. It does require unseating the bead, but that's not that big of a deal to me.

I would never run steel BBs because they will rust and eventually turn to dust. Sand sucks because it's not round and is slow to move to the imbalanced location. Golf balls are too big and basically not sensitive enough to correct small imbalances. I don't know much about equal. Dynabeads work well, but they are a bit more expensive.

I've been running Airsoft pellets for several months now and they work great. Cheap and effetive. That's what I'd suggest.

BrettM
May 10th, 2005, 09:46
airsoft pellets is the best idea i've heard so far IMO, but where can you get enough for 4 tires for $20? how many pellets is that? they come in .12 and .20 gram weights, right?

TrailHunter
May 10th, 2005, 10:07
airsoft pellets is the best idea i've heard so far IMO, but where can you get enough for 4 tires for $20? how many pellets is that? they come in .12 and .20 gram weights, right?

I bougt mine on ebay. Here's 1 Kilo of them for $12, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31684&item=7154869989&rd=1 There are always pellets for sale there so search for other auctions.

Take a look at this chart to know how much mass you need for your sized tires. http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

The pellets are usually sold by the kilo. The above is 5000 .2g pellets which is 1K. So 1oz equals 28.4grams. My tires needed 10 ounces or 285 grams. I used about 1/3 of the bag for each tire. Its okay to put to much mass in because the extra will just find a nuetral place inside the tire and will not affect balancing.

basalt51
May 10th, 2005, 13:44
You realize that you are completely wrong. You're missing a very key ingredient....right now you just have wet sand, and the cohesive strength of it in a wheel being spun around will keep it from balling.

Fergie

Many things can make sand stick together and there are a million types of sand. Plus if a rig isn't driven regularly whats to stop the sand from forming a big clump at the bottom of the tire? I don't think he meant concrete litterally anyways.

jeepinxj05
May 10th, 2005, 15:41
Ok, so will the rusted bbs hurt anything and will regular bbs fit throught the valve stem???

TrailHunter
May 10th, 2005, 15:46
Ok, so will the rusted bbs hurt anything and will regular bbs fit throught the valve stem???

Rusted BBs = zero balancing. No regular BBs are too big to fit through the stem.

Fergie
May 10th, 2005, 15:52
Many things can make sand stick together and there are a million types of sand. Plus if a rig isn't driven regularly whats to stop the sand from forming a big clump at the bottom of the tire? I don't think he meant concrete litterally anyways.
Well, it would take more than just damp air to make the sand cohesive enough to stand up to being thrown around in the tire.

Also, so what if it forms at the bottom? Again, it won't stick together for long once it starts a spinnin'.

Fergie

Kittrell
May 10th, 2005, 15:57
Well, it would take more than just damp air to make the sand cohesive enough to stand up to being thrown around in the tire.

Also, so what if it forms at the bottom? Again, it won't stick together for long once it starts a spinnin'.

Fergie

SPOBI........Everyone knows sand is as good as quikcrete............:laugh3:

BUCKYXJ
May 10th, 2005, 16:13
How long does it take a BB to rust? anyone huh? huh?

I ran steel BB's for about a year before upgrading tires and BB's were still in great condition.

AND STAINLESS STEEL DONT RUST!!!

TrailHunter
May 10th, 2005, 16:28
How long does it take a BB to rust? anyone huh? huh?

I ran steel BB's for about a year before upgrading tires and BB's were still in great condition.

AND STAINLESS STEEL DONT RUST!!!

Really, every BB I've ever seen was a steel center coated with copper. The copper easily wears and the steel rusts if there is humidity in the the tire. Compressed air usually does.

Are you using BBs as in ball bearings from a bearing?

Here's proof that they rust http://www.4x4trailhunters.com/pictures/article_18_rust.jpg

BIGoffroadXJ
May 10th, 2005, 17:24
actually sand really sucks... and i would assume anything with the properties of sand. whenever you stop it drops to the bottom of the tire and when you start driving again you get a rediculous shake till you hit about 30mph... it sucks, IMHO airsoft bb's sound like a great idea

corbinafly
May 10th, 2005, 18:28
actually sand really sucks... and i would assume anything with the properties of sand. whenever you stop it drops to the bottom of the tire and when you start driving again you get a rediculous shake till you hit about 30mph... it sucks, IMHO airsoft bb's sound like a great idea
Everything drops to the bottom when you stop. Are you suggesting that you'll get a "rediculous shake" till you hit 30 only with sand and "anything with the properties of sand"?
Just curious. I've been considering loosing the weights myself.

K

BIGoffroadXJ
May 10th, 2005, 20:48
yeah, ive done it and it sucks, works great a higher speeds but the shake at the begining isnt worth it

BUCKYXJ
May 10th, 2005, 20:55
they are "per package writing" stainless steel slingshot BB's but yeah they look more like ball bearings they are about a 3/8" in dia. and make an awsome sound when slowing to a stop when they hit my Blingin rims.

Roll-over
May 17th, 2005, 14:14
What about liquid trail sealer like the green goo stuff? It seems like that might give the best results.