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XJ Cooling System Deficiencies & Solutions

i'm looking to upgrade my cooling system too, ive done all i can to fix my system(ie, flush, hoses, sensors,) guess i will just sack up and start with the HF water pump, and the radiator with dual fans! unless they have the triple fans as one unit,
just a lil concerned about ordering the correct radiator! i know a guy that put a 91 RADI in his xj and eliminated the old resiviour and changed the location of the new one to eliminate cracking them, which i have done aswell-95 bucks later!Argh..
 
I understand that the dual electric fan setup works well, but i personally would avoid it like the plauge for this simple reason: on a late night trail run alone your alternator gets filled with mud and stops charging, your electric fans drain your battery while not providing enough cooling. Now you're in the woods with a dead electrical system...and you're overheating and you realize you'd be driving out instead of walking if you had a mech. fan! that was a long walk, and cold too. just my .02 :doh:
 
I understand that the dual electric fan setup works well, but i personally would avoid it like the plauge for this simple reason: on a late night trail run alone your alternator gets filled with mud and stops charging, your electric fans drain your battery while not providing enough cooling. Now you're in the woods with a dead electrical system...and you're overheating and you realize you'd be driving out instead of walking if you had a mech. fan! that was a long walk, and cold too. just my .02 :doh:
This is part of why I don't do mud.
 
I read through this thread a bit and I have found some very interesting thoughts. I see the common thought is that there is insufficient cooling on these little beasties whether stock or not. I have to laugh. There is no way an XJ became popular overnight if this problem occurs on every, or even the majority of these station wagons (after all, that is what they are classified as). Then, add in the fact that some have spent hundreds, even thousands of dollars to make this vehicle even more abusable. Where does that money go? Lifts, lockers, tires, additional weight in the form of bumpers, roof racks, larger spare tires, and larger engines. Guess what? I still say sufficient cooling system.

The common denominator on all these posts is you were using your vehicle in an extreme condition that 99% of the owners of these vehicles DO NOT face, EVER. For us extremists however, we have forgotten the fundamental nature of cooling and how it works. There are 4 things that cool your engine. Air, fuel (cools charge in combustion chamber), coolant, and oil! So you have built your rig to withstand the abuse of climbing a large boulder, or any in succession. Did you upgrade the tires? Did you upgrade the lift? Did you remember to pack a jerry can? You got your massive rock bumper and winch and extra passenger and recovery tools? Ah.. I see you did! Nice. Did you remember to upgrade your motor oil for the conditions? What about transmission fluid? What about the stuff in the pumpkin you might burst later down the trail? Transfer case fluid? Guess not.

I read somewhere earlier someone said that the use of the vehicle was not made for constant 4 LO at 5 mph all day in a blistering 100+ degree day. First off, it was. The way the cooling system works on any vehicle, and the XJ is no different, is to maintain a particular temperature and only fluctuate so many degrees either way. If its not, well you have a PROBLEM! YOUR problem is NOT the problem with the vehicle that every knew about and overlooked, its your problem with your maintenance and planning. Read the manual. For x temperature use x fluid, oil, etc. For x extreme, use other fluid. I have two words for you. Royal Purple. You have spent a thousand dollars to make your rig personal and capable, now give it the tools to tolerate the abuse you put it through. Spend a little extra and get some oil that is designed for that kind of abuse. While you are at it, upgrade all your fluids to synthetic (if available). It has much better heat characteristics and prevents wear on the parts you spent so much to upgrade. ANY and ALL professional off-roaders will tell you that fluids are important, and matching them to your use will only benefit you. Chrysler told you that in your owners manual. Haynes tells you in case the owners manual went missing a few owners ago. And lastly fix YOUR PROBLEM! Cause fluids and radiators and fans and whatever else you can MacGyver into your little beastie is not gonna take care of the massive airbubble in the system from the last time you opened it and didn't do the job right. Hey, we all make mistakes, but don't blame Chrysler, who made the XJ the most popular off-road SUV (**cough, station wagon**) today. Even second-hand this is the vehicle that ALL magazines and owners tell you to get for fun in the back-roads. Maintain it and be on your merry way already. BTW, I have a cooling problem. I have a massive airbubble in my radiator (sealed system) and almost no oil in the oil pan. Any ideas? Oh yeah, I leaked a gallon of antifreeze on my neighbors cat that had huddled underneath my headgasket. LOL Good luck and the only thing that should break is the pieces that hit the rocks.
 
I too have followed this thread religiously. Some comments I find to be correct or plausable. Others I find laughable.

There is just one question (or should it be two) that come to mind as I go through the thread,... How many of the XJ with cronic over heating have the AW4 and how many have a mmanual shift transmission? How many XJ's with a manual transmission suffers from cronic over heating?

Could someone start a thread count? :eyes:
 
I read through this thread a bit and I have found some very interesting thoughts. I see the common thought is that there is insufficient cooling on these little beasties whether stock or not. I have to laugh. There is no way an XJ became popular overnight if this problem occurs on every, or even the majority of these station wagons (after all, that is what they are classified as). Then, add in the fact that some have spent hundreds, even thousands of dollars to make this vehicle even more abusable. Where does that money go? Lifts, lockers, tires, additional weight in the form of bumpers, roof racks, larger spare tires, and larger engines. Guess what? I still say sufficient cooling system.

The common denominator on all these posts is you were using your vehicle in an extreme condition that 99% of the owners of these vehicles DO NOT face, EVER. For us extremists however, we have forgotten the fundamental nature of cooling and how it works. There are 4 things that cool your engine. Air, fuel (cools charge in combustion chamber), coolant, and oil! So you have built your rig to withstand the abuse of climbing a large boulder, or any in succession. Did you upgrade the tires? Did you upgrade the lift? Did you remember to pack a jerry can? You got your massive rock bumper and winch and extra passenger and recovery tools? Ah.. I see you did! Nice. Did you remember to upgrade your motor oil for the conditions? What about transmission fluid? What about the stuff in the pumpkin you might burst later down the trail? Transfer case fluid? Guess not.

I read somewhere earlier someone said that the use of the vehicle was not made for constant 4 LO at 5 mph all day in a blistering 100+ degree day. First off, it was. The way the cooling system works on any vehicle, and the XJ is no different, is to maintain a particular temperature and only fluctuate so many degrees either way. If its not, well you have a PROBLEM! YOUR problem is NOT the problem with the vehicle that every knew about and overlooked, its your problem with your maintenance and planning. Read the manual. For x temperature use x fluid, oil, etc. For x extreme, use other fluid. I have two words for you. Royal Purple. You have spent a thousand dollars to make your rig personal and capable, now give it the tools to tolerate the abuse you put it through. Spend a little extra and get some oil that is designed for that kind of abuse. While you are at it, upgrade all your fluids to synthetic (if available). It has much better heat characteristics and prevents wear on the parts you spent so much to upgrade. ANY and ALL professional off-roaders will tell you that fluids are important, and matching them to your use will only benefit you. Chrysler told you that in your owners manual. Haynes tells you in case the owners manual went missing a few owners ago. And lastly fix YOUR PROBLEM! Cause fluids and radiators and fans and whatever else you can MacGyver into your little beastie is not gonna take care of the massive airbubble in the system from the last time you opened it and didn't do the job right. Hey, we all make mistakes, but don't blame Chrysler, who made the XJ the most popular off-road SUV (**cough, station wagon**) today. Even second-hand this is the vehicle that ALL magazines and owners tell you to get for fun in the back-roads. Maintain it and be on your merry way already. BTW, I have a cooling problem. I have a massive airbubble in my radiator (sealed system) and almost no oil in the oil pan. Any ideas? Oh yeah, I leaked a gallon of antifreeze on my neighbors cat that had huddled underneath my headgasket. LOL Good luck and the only thing that should break is the pieces that hit the rocks.

Dude, 2nd post here and you're ragging on us already?

I think the points you've mentioned have already been covered in this thread, except upgrading all the oils. Don't get me wrong, it's important to use good oil, and no one would argue that it's good to use synthetics, but I doubt you can find any evidence that changing oil type has solved someone's heatng issues.
 
from post #1:
Hi guys. New to the forum and new to owning an XJ. I would love a weekend to break my.. I mean, break IN my ride and see what needs upgrading. Plus, my 8 year old daughter has been looking forward to seeing what can be done in the new ride as compared to my old S10 wheeler rigs.

You have some good insights, but with your limited experience with the XJ I have to wonder where your information comes from. I am not trying to be a jerk I would just like to know what the basis for your info is.
 
As far as experience in XJ land it is short but informative. My particular rig was purchased not running. After spending considerable time learning how to COMPLETELY rewire the little bugger due to an ignorant install of lighting, and then proceed to research and upgrade parts that were poorly maintained (mainly the AX15 manual trans, and transfer case) and eliminate the vacuum actuated CAD, I then proceeded to check into the maintenance on the vehicle. Besides the fact that I took this poor little beat up machine and turned it into an emissions passing Jeep of yesteryear, what do you think my qualifications are so far? Not impressed yet?

I researched before i purchased, including reading threads on this fantastic forum. EVERYWHERE I went to for information, the most common phrase I heard was "notorious for leaking oil is BS, its just poor maintenance" and "overheating is not a common problem, its just poor maintenance." And I am sorry, but I have built or rebuilt 6 different off road rigs and then traded them for something more family friendly and ready for long commutes. All of them have been S10s. Now, think about overall dynamics of the cooling system and you will see that they are not so different as to design of cooling air flow. Same basic setup. In fact, you could argue that at one point the engines (2.8 vs 2.8) were identical. As a few posts up asks, what kind experience the problem of overheating? Mine did just recently. At idle, not moving, and I was into the red on the gauge. Pressure tested the system and guess what? Radiator leaking at the seams. Not at the plastic, but where the tubes hit the sides of the radiator. Typical for an older vehicle (mines a 90 with a 190,000) . So replace radiator, no problem. All okies.

And anyone who got me "ragging" on them is just a little sensitive. I was merely making a point that any and all wheelers, regardless of brand, know that extreme conditions cause different needs. Some of you only it the trails that are moderate, as I will probably do this year. Next year, I will be in a little more dangerous position and probably go hanging on steep canyon walls like I did in my S10. Year after that and gods willing, I will sacrifice money to go way extreme. Understand that as a part-time mechanic (more like spare time) I have experienced the finer builds and breaks that all of you have. I put a NA Escort over 200 hp with minor parts from a junk yard and a tuneup. I took a Celica and CRX from the grave to the street, each able to chew up similar cars without problems. And yes, watch this space. This is a forum for discussion, and of all things stirring the water gets answers to previously unasked questions. Thats why you are here is it not? But if what you are telling me is that everyone here who has been a member forever knows everything there is to know about XJ and what not, I am glad I joined. But before you get offended, make sure you know the answer and you aren't going off what someone said somewhere that you heard from your bestfriends sisters brothers girlfriend who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors. You guys are awesome! Oh, and cooling problems are still problems, and not status quo.
 
Been driving S10's for awhile? That explains it. :D

Welcome to the XJ world, you should thoroughly enjoy it. Not offended and if I didn't percieve you had thick skin I wouldn't have been so blunt.

You're point about good maintenance and general system upgrading are good points. One of the many points in this long thread is that in almost every case (regardless of build or even stroker) simply upgrading to a higher capacity aftermarket radiator is all that's needed....if the other components are in good working order. Many people needlessly do all kinds of other upgrades, then finally change the radiator and everything is fine. Nothing wrong with upgrades, better performance of any system is always a good thing, but when looking for what works the fact is a better radiator is the key.

Have fun building and wheeling the XJ.
 
research on here and the 3 core radiators, THEY SUCK!!! nobody has luck with them maybe a handful do, just get a 2 core full aluminum radiator. If you have the cash go with be cool radiators they are awesome and cool your jeep by like 20 to 30 degrees :)
 
i bought my 1989 xj in 1990 and from day 1, had cooling issues on hot(+85 degrees) days while sitting in traffic.

specs on jeep are 4.0l, 231 tc, with a 5-speed and no air-conditioning. with no air conditioning, there is no electric fan to help cool the engine. so on hot summer days sitting in long lines of barely moving or stopped traffic, the temp gauge would creep up to the red. it wasnt until i got moving up to a consistent speed would the temps start to drop, but as soon as i stopped for more then a few minutes, the temps went back up again.

when i replaced the radiator with a 2-core and water pump, the problem went away and has not reared its ugly head to this day.

i happen to like the closed cooling system and keep it well maintaned, but i believe that with the no e-fan set up on my xj, it was not able to cool effectively on those hot days because of the lack of flow.
 
Dude, 2nd post here and you're ragging on us already?

I think the points you've mentioned have already been covered in this thread, except upgrading all the oils. Don't get me wrong, it's important to use good oil, and no one would argue that it's good to use synthetics, but I doubt you can find any evidence that changing oil type has solved someone's heatng issues.
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research on here and the 3 core radiators, THEY SUCK!!! nobody has luck with them maybe a handful do, just get a 2 core full aluminum radiator. If you have the cash go with be cool radiators they are awesome and cool your jeep by like 20 to 30 degrees :)

Really? I have never had the first problem with my 3 core. Been running it 3 years on a stroker, and I don't even have a fan on the beast.
 
well that weird because i searched cooling methods yesterday and people say that the 3 core leaks all the time and that they are plastic tanks on most :(
 
research on here and the 3 core radiators, THEY SUCK!!! nobody has luck with them maybe a handful do, just get a 2 core full aluminum radiator. If you have the cash go with be cool radiators they are awesome and cool your jeep by like 20 to 30 degrees :)


really? Not that I know anything about XJ's at all, but if I did, I would totally disagree with you.

I have yet to see an aluminum radiator in practice outlook an equivalent copper radiator, and I have seen 3 core WAY outcool 2 core.
 
aluminum thermal conductivity @ 300 Kelvin: 237 Watts per meter-Kelvin
copper thermal conductivity @ 300 Kelvin: 401 Watts per meter-Kelvin

Yeah, keep telling me that copper radiators suck...
 
well that weird because i searched cooling methods yesterday and people say that the 3 core leaks all the time and that they are plastic tanks on most :(


You didnt research very well. cheap radiators made from plastic suck, it doesnt matter how many cores they have.
 
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