Libya's Moammar Gadafi to step down

[BostonIrish]

Somebody needs to shoot that bastard...preferabally from a mile away.Next thing we'll be sending a "peace keeping" force in there....getting more of our guys killed for a country that hates us anyway..

 

[Rod Knee]

Obama and his like-thinkers want energy prices to skyrocket, this will justify his Social Justice/Green initiatives. He's stated this clearly multiple times.

His actions back this up. He pumped billions of tax dollars into alternative energy, GE is in his back pocket....or vice versa.......he used the oil well fire in the Gulf to restrict exploration and cancelled new exploration off-shore in December 2010. He also cancelled oil and gas leases in the West and in Alaska. Most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico, the 2nd is a threat to our National Security.

Cheap energy is one of the components of our capitalist society that has allowed the US to grow and prosper. Social Justice dicates that the US must be brought down to the level of others around the world, so we are all on the same Socialist plane.

George Soros said this is good, so it must be so.

I also question the propriety of the moratorium on gulf oil activity, but anyone from cooks to petroleum engineers wanting a job in the oil industry can find one easily right now in North Dakota, which is experiencing a tremendous oil boom (first link). They can’t find enough people. And I don’t think escalating prices at the pump are needed to justify development of alternative energy sources. Many conservatives such as T. Boone Pickens don’t think so either (second link). I happen to agree with him that energy independence and security is a darn good reason for going green.

From the AP yesterday:” President Barack Obama said Thursday he's confident that markets will be able to ride out the situation in Libya and the price of oil will stabilize.” (third link). Maybe you’re right, he wants prices to “skyrocket”, short circuit economic recovery, and become a one term president. But you wouldn’t know it from that statement. Do you have any quotes from Obama stating unequivocally that he wants oil prices to rise, particularily any where he indicates rising prices can or should be used to justify "social justice"?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703795004575087623756596514.html
http://www.boonepickens.com/helping/default.asp
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110224/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_oil_prices

 

[XJEEPER]

Somebody needs to shoot that bastard...preferabally from a mile away.

As much as you dislike urban yan.......I can't condone killing him.


RodKnee, TBoone's got some good ideas, I'd like nothing more than to migrate to natural gas and away from crude oil. Wind and solar are cool toys with a negative return on investment. Electric cars don't make financial sense unless gasoline is $5.00 a gallon.....for several years. Have you priced out the Government Motors Chevy Volt? They aren't exactly flying off the lot.......

I don't believe anything Obama says, he's got no credibility or control of the situation.

You have to look at the agendas of the folks who he is in collaboration with, Obama calls it Hope and Change, his wife says he's going to fundamentally transform the USA, he touts himself as a community organizer, he meets weekly with Union leaders who have the full support of Communist Party USA and have the agenda of organizing the communities of the world for Social Justice, he's taking advice from George Soros, who has clearly stated time and again that his goal is to tear down Capitalism and create a Global Society but must first collapse the US economy(as he helped do in 5 countries already).............if you know how to use Google, the info is out there from multiple sources and it's not that hard to connect the dots, folks.

 

[Crawler]

I wonder if this is the right time to suggest that the "New World oil-Order" is right on schedule?


...that it was Kissinger making deals with the arabs back in the '70s that led to us not developing more of our own reserves?

...that the plan has always been to develop our own reserves once the price was right, with the world economy in total chaos?

...that the arabs were sucked into buying much of our debt in return for our controlled limited competition in meeting world demand?

...that Iran and Iraq were the only arab states that wouldn't sign-on, which would explain why they've been such centers of controversy?

...that destabilization of the middle east is a key part of the "master plan", and what we are seeing now is being implemented by design?

...that there are 2 trillion barrels of oil in the oil shale in e-UT, w-CO, and s-WY alone, half of which is recoverable with primitive technology?

...that when you add-up our reserves in AK, Bakken & Green River formations, Gulf of Mexico, etc, we have well over 200 years of total reserve?

...that the "herd" is to be thinned-out & brought down to the level of the "third world" before these resources are fully developed, never to rise again?


Naaaugh... probably not...... nobody would believe it, anyway......... :bs:

 

[Ralph]

As far as "cheap oil" is concerned, this is a myth. The US pays market price for oil. We pay the same price per barrel of oil as everyone else in the world. We consumers pay less at the pump than some countries (more than others) because of the amount of taxes we pay per gallon.

 

[RichP]

One of the governors from Montana or Dakota 3 years ago said he could deliver gasoline for $55 a barrel from coal to gas conversion. He was on National TV when he said it and the EPA had him in court blocking the process almost immediately. South Africa has been doing this for years by the way, the Germans used the process during WWII. The interesting thing is the Air Force is building one of those refineries in OK now for their own use, it can build the liquid fuel you want just by changing some of the process or as the governor put it, just open one set of valves, close another and where you were getting Gasoline before now you have diesel coming out.

Here is the tree huggers take on it and thats tame to what the EPA did.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/09/montana_governo.php

 

[Jeepman401]

As far as "cheap oil" is concerned, this is a myth. The US pays market price for oil. We pay the same price per barrel of oil as everyone else in the world. We consumers pay less at the pump than some countries (more than others) because of the amount of taxes we pay per gallon.

There's more to it than that. Fuel quality, transport fees, corporate greed, and the fact that we are one of the highest consumers of oil affect the price.
Oil being shipped in from the mid east costs more than oil from the gulf, or anywhere else in the US.

 

[Ralph]

There's more to it than that. Fuel quality, transport fees, corporate greed, and the fact that we are one of the highest consumers of oil affect the price.
Oil being shipped in from the mid east costs more than oil from the gulf, or anywhere else in the US.

Here, this should help you. http://useconomy.about.com/od/economicindicators/p/Crude_Oil.htm

According to today's Wall Street Journal the current market price for crude oil is $98.23.

Here's some info on which countries we buy oil from and in what quantities.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

 

[Crawler]

The "cheap oil" is that with the biggest profit margin for the producer, that which is easiest to transport/refine/distribute. The consumer never knows the difference.

 

[Jeepman401]

Here, this should help you. http://useconomy.about.com/od/economicindicators/p/Crude_Oil.htm

According to today's Wall Street Journal the current market price for crude oil is $98.23.

Here's some info on which countries we buy oil from and in what quantities.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

And my point still stands, more than just the price of a barrel of oil affects the price of gas.

 

[Ralph]

And my point still stands, more than just the price of a barrel of oil affects the price of gas.

That's because crude oil prices are global and gasoline prices are regional. I'm talking about oil prices. People talk about US foreign policy being made so that we can have cheap oil. Crude oil prices effect the entire world's economy not just ours.

Still, the biggest cause for the difference in the price of gasoline around the world has nothing to do with production. It has to do with the amount of taxes that are levied by different countries.

 

[kastein]

You're going to pay $5/gallon regardless of what happens in Libya. All they have to do is say "sky rocketing gas prices" on the TV, and people will go along with it. The precedent has already been set.

yeah... same thing happens with the stock market. If some talking head opines that the stock market is going to crash, people start selling stock so that they get their money out before it crashes... which means everyone is selling and no one is buying and it crashes. :doh:

"A 'person' is smart. "People" are dumb, panicky animals and you know it."

As much as you dislike urban yan.......I can't condone killing him.

I'm fairly certain he was talking about killing Gaddafi, not urban yan...

 

[msrorysddad]

I just can't get over the fact that the man looks like he clothing shops at MC Hammer's garage sale. I keep waiting for him to tell people "can't touch this" and start break dancing

 

[XJEEPER]

Speculation on energy futures also causes the price spikes at the pump. Obama's anti-energy policy is a factor as well.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50417.html#ixzz1FT2FYYGb