Ron Hyslop
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Found my stuff from Ramsey, the guy I talked to was Sam Wood in Ramsey engineering in Tulsa, tel 918-438-2760.
Ron Hyslop said:Found my stuff from Ramsey, the guy I talked to was Sam Wood in Ramsey engineering in Tulsa, tel 918-438-2760.
I just got back from the junkyard(I was there earlier this week looking for axles) and scored a set of these brackets. I took them off and the lady at the front desk told me merry Christmas! So I got a set for FREE!!! All I thought I was getting was tow hook brackets, but they have the extra set of holes.Ron Hyslop said:
From:X "John McDonough" <mkm@p...>
Date:X TueXSepX9,X2003X 2:46 pm
Subject:X Hidden Winch Mount - Final Chapter
Talk about beating a dead horse...but I thought it might be
interesting for everyone to know where things more or less ended up.
The German company referred me to Ramsey - turns out it was Ramsey's
product they were selling all along (but didn't name).
Ramsey's site currently lists and has downloadable instructions for
a "Hidden Kit, #295153, for 1984-1994 XJ's. Got me all excited but
it turns out Ramsey discontinued the kit. I did however, get a
couple of great responses from the head designer and tester at
Ramsey, Bob Webb. Here's the back and forth correspondence between
myself and Bob...
"I have a 1995 Jeep Cherokee Sport, and I want to mount my REP8000
winch using the #295153 Hidden Mounting Kit. Upon printing the
instructions from your web site, I noticed two issues that I would
like to inquire about. The first is the 295153's year range of 1984-
1994. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work on my '95, and if so,
what are the differences? Secondly, the instructions make reference
to three REP series winches; the 6000XJ, 5000XJ, and 4500XJ. Any
reason the kit wouldn't apply to my REP8000 as well?"
"The 295153 kit is no longer available and did not accommodate a
rep8,000 winch. The special winches that were sold for that kit had
a special hawse fairlead that fit the contour of the bumper and the
kit was designed to only pull 6,000# (per Chrysler/Jeep).
The shifter position was also clocked different. The Rep 8,000
solenoid box will not fit with out modification and the winch mounts
to where it pulls straight off the feet (normal mounting is pulling
90 degrees from the feet or through the feet).
Damage will occur to the rep 8,000 if you pull straight off of the
feet. As for the difference between the 94 and 95 models Jeep
changed the front bumper, (the contour of the bumper changed
slightly and they added rubber push guards and end caps).
Technically the kit would still fit but in 1995 Jeep also added air
bags and would not sanction the hidden kit due to possible
interference with the air bag activation. If I can be of any further
help call me (Bob Webb) at 1-800-777-2760 ext.137."
"Thanks very much for the rundown on the mounting kit Bob. I noticed
that Ramsey's catalog does not list a mounting system of any kind
for Cherokees prior to '97. Do you have any recommendations for
mounting this REP8000 on my '95?"
"The 295326 was made for the later models but will fit on the early
models also. It may have some gap between the bumper and the back of
the kit (97 has those bumper guards and end caps) it was in 95 jeep
added air bags and 97 when the bumper change occurred. The frame and
mounting points are the same from 86 to 2001. The combo kit allows
the winch to be mounted upright pulling 90 degrees off of the feet
and was designed to pull up to 9500lbs.
By the way when you install any Ramsey kit from 1983 to present I'm
the one you cuss (I design them and test them). So any time you have
a question just let me know. Bob Webb"
Links don't work for me. Can everyone else see them?GI-John said:
Yep, they work for me.Eagle said:Links don't work for me. Can everyone else see them?
My thoughts exactly. I need rock rails and a winch, bumpers can wait.JMotorsprt said:I have a friend that offered to build me bumpers and rockrails. I want rockrails, but did not want to have to replace my bumpers. It would be nice to find if someone could start making these brackets again.