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Healthcare Reform? They lie so much, they're unable to recognize TRUTH!

I find it hard to fathom that so many representatives would go against their constituents.

Jeff,
You often mention the loss of Freedoms during lunch I was thinking about that and had an ephiany. The Freedoms started being erroded with helmet laws.

I find it easy to fathom. Don't make this so hard. The current Congress has a 27% approval rating and it's an election year so they have to know that the odds are high that the majority of the Dems will get the boot anyway.

Think outside the box here.....I'm an elected offical that has a target on my back because I've either performed poorly or I'm "a guilty Dem by association" or both. I'm going to support the legislation because it will be historical and I can say I was for it.
 
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Don't know one single person who supports this bill. I know lots that want reform, but not this way. 2 of my reps voted for it. They are going to get fried.

Though, I am in central california where we grow a majority of the nations food, so common sense and personal responsibility run above average...
 
Think outside the box here.....I'm an elected offical that has a target on my back because I've either performed poorly or I'm "a guilty Dem by association" or both. I'm going to support the legislation because it will be historical and I can say I was for it.

Thanks, brought a smile and a chuckle. Broken down to real simple terms & you may be correct. The Democratic Party has been after this issue since WWII.
 
The Democratic Party has been after this issue since WWII.

Correction.....the Progressive Movement has been after this since the 1920's.

BTW, no one from Utah voted in favor for the bill......but I'm voting Bennett and Hatch out ASAP for other reasons.
 
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Don't forget all, the reason Pelosi kept everyone there and didn't let them go home for the Easter break was because she new that if they didn't push it through immediately the members would go home and get lambasted by the people who voted for them. That's why the chosen one delayed his vacation and they bent arms all weekend to get it done before anyone got the real impression of the voters. Tom I firmly believe this is VERY scary to the majority of Americans, lets just hope they have a good memory.
How do you force an insurance company to accept clients with preexisting conditions and stay in business?? It cant be done. Also, how can you let people go without insurance until they have an accident and once they have that accident they can buy insurance the same day and get coverage??? There's no way this will fly. First time in American history the people have been FORCED to purchase something the govt says you have to have, under penalty of jail or fine. Amazing.
 
Whilst this affects few in the short run, i'm deeply terrified for America’s future. I'm 26 and I think the sequence of events that became of Sunday will be among the most significant happening to me and my country during my lifetime.
FML
 
Bribes for Votes.....(if want PC, look elsewhere.)

Three airports in the district of Democrat Bart Stupak were awarded $726,409 in grants by the Obama Administration just two days before a vote on Obama and Pelosi’s government takeover of healthcare.

Did Stupak compromise his supposed principled stand against taxpayer funding of abortion in exchange for taxpayer dollars for pet projects?

Alpena County Regional Airport received a $85,500 grant, but had only 7,519 passenger boardings in 2008 (the most recent year for which there is information) according to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) data.

Alpena County Regional Airport serves fewer passengers than even the late Rep. John Murtha’s famous “Airport for Nobody.”

Delta County Airport has even less customers than that, but still received a $179,209 grant.

Chippewa County International Airport received a $461,700 grant, but had only 13,733 passenger boardings in 2008.
 
That statement has been taught in California schools and county fairs as long as I can remember. So I googled "top food producing state" and the very 1st link I hit was http://www.beachcalifornia.com/california-food-facts.html

Enjoy.

What about the beef, chicken, pork, corn, tomatoes and soy beans? They are a huge portion of the food that americans eat. I knew they had a lot of dairy farms but not some of the others. Its good to know but I wouldn't call it a majority of the food when there are 40 some other states with crops growing in them.
 
Did Stupak compromise his supposed principled stand against taxpayer funding of abortion in exchange for taxpayer dollars for pet projects?
He didn't sell out. The Pres PROMISED him that they'd take care of his concerns. Really, He did. Executive order and everything! Those never run out, can't be rescinded, etc, right?


Principled stand? Right,.. :roflmao:
Maybe you should look somewhere other then congress for that?
 
Uh, it's a majority bud lol. The other states cant touch our technology, science, and technique.


Irregardless, my two freaking reps voted. Douches.
 
Uh, it's a majority bud lol. The other states cant touch our technology, science, and technique.

But mexico can! :D Oh sorry i forgot <insert Arnie's voice> CALIFORNIA is the bestest! :laugh3:
 
Here's a good one!
foxnews said:
The $938 billion, 10-year price tag would be financed largely by culling savings from Medicare and imposing new taxes on higher income people and the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical device industries.
Let's lower the cost of insurance by increasing the taxes on the health care industry! That'll work, right? I mean, they'd never pass that cost onto us, right? Oh, wait, what's that? You say they would pass that extra cost on? What? They charge people in accordance with what it costs for them to do business? They aren't so kind and generous that they'd allow something like that to cut into their profits?! Well, shoot, let's try to keep that little bit hidden...

Rep. Tom Perriello said:
Here in America, we settle our political differences at the ballot box
Except for when we fought a war against a vastly superior military force because we didn't like how they were taxing us. Or that time when half of our country thought the Fed was overstepping its role and went to war to shake free.
 
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I also heard that for the first time Social security will be paying out more than its bringing in! Hope nobody needs theirs! But who knows if its true or not I heard it on the news.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...care-questions-medicare-congress-white-house/
1. What big government entitlement program has ever:
• Reduced the deficit?
• Only cost what it says it will and lowered the costs of goods and services?
• Improved quality?
• Enhanced efficiency?
• Decreased delays?
• Fostered more choice and competition?
• Featured competent bureaucracy?
• Operated with honest accounting?
• Avoided fraud, abuse, waste, maddening red tape, and higher taxes?
Why should we trust that Obamacare will do all that? Obamacare’s deceptive budget cooking was described in one instance by Senate Budget Committee chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND) as "a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing that Bernie Madoff would have been proud of."
2. Why does Obamacare exempt some in Congress and the White House from having to buy the same health care plans that the law forces other Americans to purchase: President Obama, Vice President Biden, Cabinet members, top White House staff, congressional committee staff and leadership staff, such as those who work for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)?


Republican Senators Chuck Grassley (Iowa) and Tom Coburn (Oklahoma) tried to close this loophole, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) wouldn’t even let it come up for a vote. As Grassley says, “It’s only fair and logical that top administration officials, who fought so hard for passage of this overhaul of America’s health care system, experience it themselves. If it’s as good as promised, they’ll know it first-hand. If there are problems, they’ll be able to really understand them, as they should.”

3. How will we deal with a doctor shortage caused by Obamacare, particularly when doctors are being asked to treat 32 million more Americans now insured by the new law?
The Medicus Firm a medical recruitment company, found in a survey that 46 percent of physicians said they’d quit or retire if Obamacare became law. According to the survey, "even if a much smaller percentage such as ten, 15, or 20 percent are pushed out of practice over several years at a time when the field needs to expand by over 20 percent, this would be severely detrimental to the quality of the health care system."
4. How will patients—particularly senior citizens—feel when their doctors and even hospitals tell them, “Sorry, but we’re only taking on non-Medicare patients who pay privately, in full”?
The New York Times (which championed Obamacare) wrote last year that “Some doctors—often internists but also gastroenterologists, gynecologists, psychiatrists and other specialists—are no longer accepting Medicare, either because they have opted out of the insurance system or they are not accepting new patients with Medicare coverage. The doctors’ reasons: reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.” Under ObamaCare, physicians’ Medicare fees are supposed to be cut 21 percent and hospital reimbursements for Medicare patients chopped by $1.3-billion. How long can doctors and hospitals sustain those losses before they’re forced to pull the plug on treating Medicare patients (although some exceptions may be made in dire emergencies)? Count on Congress to use budget tricks like temporary “fixes” to defer those cuts until at least after the November elections.
5. How can President Obama claim that insurance premiums will go down when the very same nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office he quotes, selectively, has said that Obamacare will cause the average family’s premiums to go up by as much as 13 percent by 2016?
6. Remember the “jobs saved or created” canard regarding Obama’s economic stimulus?
The president is repeating that fantasy by applying it to Obamacare. However, the nonpartisan Lewin Group estimates that as many as 600,000 people will lose their jobs due to the onerous new employer health care mandates in Obamacare.

7. Do you realize that Obamacare turns Medicare into what should really be called "Medi-pare"?
Obamacare slices $528-billion from Medicare, including $136-billion carved out of Medicare Advantage. As The Washington Examiner’s Susan Ferrechio has reported, “The Medicare Advantage cuts will force 4.8 million seniors off the popular plan by 2019. An additional $23 billion in cuts to Medicare will come from a panel charged with slashing Medicare spending.”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/28/lawmakers-willing-gamble-public-anger-health-care/
..."It is a house of cards, it's a Ponzi scheme of the first order. It's going to blow up the deficit, it's going to affect every business, every family in this country, it was done by one party rule and it was a shame we had to go down this road," said Graham, who appeared with Schumer.

Already large companies have announced the costs they are getting hit with as a result of the new law. Large U.S. companies like AT&T that say they will get hit with billions of dollars in charges with the elimination of a tax deduction for drug benefits.
But Valerie Jarrett, another of Obama's senior advisers, said the big companies will actually end up ahead.
"What they're going to have to write off is nothing compared to the enormous financial benefits to those very same companies by health insurance reform that will bring down their costs substantially," Jarrett said.

But Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., said with health care, the federal government has just moved into ownership or control of 51 percent of the U.S. economy. "Today, the federal government has taken either direct ownership or control of banks, the largest insurance company in the United States, AIG, Freddie and Fannie," she said. "The federal government now owns, Bob, over 50 percent of all home mortgages. Now the direct student loan industry. Chrysler, GM. And with the health care industry, that's an additional 18 percent of the private economy, which means government would be making decisions over our lives from cradle to the grave."
Bachmann added that the health insurance overhaul could cost the economy 5.5 million jobs.
"Just this week, we saw American businesses announce that Obamacare will cost them $14 billion. Here in Minnesota, Medtronic announced because of the new tax increases on medical devices, they could be looking at shedding an additional 1,000 jobs. Or 3-M, it will cost them potentially $90 million in the first quarter. ... That is not going to bring us back to economic health going forward but that's what you expect when you have massive tax increases, massive Medicare cuts, massive premium increases," she said....
 
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