R-12

[XCastleXJ]

alright guys, my step dad has a 1994 sport 4.0 high output with (i think) 25x,xxx miles and the old R-12 A/C system in it. as far as we know, all the components are fine, it just needs to be charged/filled. the 134a thats used in the newer vehicles is easy to come by at every parts store around but we cant find R-12 anywhere. none of the shops we've called do any R-12 work except to convert the old system to the new system (12 to 134) which is sounding to cost ~$600.00

i know alot of you on here have the older jeeps so im hoping someone can tell me where we can get it re-charged.

we're in thornton (north of denver, south of fort collins)

thanks in advance.

 

[jimgrms]

You can't get it it is illegal do you want to burn a hole in the ozone layer and cause global warming jeez


really can't be had

 

[NWPhotog]

I think you can still get it off Ebay. Also if you do a search here there are some cheap ways of converting to 134a which seems to work well.

 

[mcantar18c]

If it comes down to it can't you go pull a JY system?

 

[jimgrms]

But it is illegal in the us

 

[scottmcneal]

I just got 6 lbs of R12..Just cross the mexican border thats all..Cheap price for it too..Total was under 50 bucks..

I pay more than that at my part's house.. Good luck

 

[Frank Z]

I just got 6 lbs of R12..Just cross the mexican border thats all..Cheap price for it too..Total was under 50 bucks..

I pay more than that at my part's house.. Good luck

Interesting.

I charge over $100 per pound of R-12, and only sell it by the 30# jug.

Have it converted by a licensed Automotive A/C tech.

 

[JJacobs]

R-12's still around last I checked. Expensive but available.

 

[kujito]

Not something you should mess with without the proper equip. and certifications. Do what FrankZ said.

There are DIY R12 to 134a conversion kits, but make sure to have the R12 evacuated by a professional before you do anything with it.

 

[XCastleXJ]

Not something you should mess with without the proper equip. and certifications. Do what FrankZ said.

There are DIY R12 to 134a conversion kits, but make sure to have the R12 evacuated by a professional before you do anything with it.

so aslong as the R-12 is completly evacuated, you can use 134 in it? ive seen the retro fit kits in stores and it seems like all it really is, is 134 with a different attachment/nozzle/adapter to fill it up.

 

[flingshot]

Uh oh............ I just got a 94 as well that blows luke warm air. I'll be watching this one closely.:eyes:

 

[flingshot]

Just found this.
Sounds painless.

http://searchwarp.com/swa15436.htm

 

[old_man]

There are R12 compatible replacements available. You don't have to retrofit anything. I'm not talking about converting to R-134.

 

[jason_h]

Have it evacuated by a pro shop (shouldn't cost much) then use one of the cheap conversion options and fill 'er up.

 

[XCastleXJ]

thanks for the advice guys and thanks for that link fling. i think we're going to try it this weekend.

 

[souske]

theres still some around, or yeah go to mexico. wonder why no one has set up a r-12 smuggling ring out of TJ yet.....

 

[Frank Z]

You want to pay the fine?

 

[kujito]

If you don't have your 609, don't mess with R12 (or any of the CFC refrigerants)!!!!!!

theres still some around, or yeah go to mexico. wonder why no one has set up a r-12 smuggling ring out of TJ yet.....

The following is kinda long, but the gist is that your fine will have AT LEAST one comma in it and you could end up behind bars.

What Has Happened to People Convicted of Buying or Smuggling CFCs?

The following are real examples of what can happen if you buy or possess illegal CFCs.

Case 1: The president of a refrigerant distribution company in Florida pled guilty to charges of illegally importing over 8 million pounds of CFCs into the United States. For his role, the president was sentenced to 37 months in prison and 3 years supervised release, fined $375,000, and ordered to forfeit over $13 million in assets. The company was sentenced to pay a fine of over $37 million and serve 5 years of probation. The company is also potentially liable for over $31 million in back taxes to the IRS. The company's bookkeeper/salesperson received fines and a probationary sentence, and the company's chief financial officer received a fine and a 30-day prison sentence.

Case 2: Three men were arrested during two separate sting operations by undercover agents when they attempted to purchase CFCs being sold as illegal imports. One man was convicted on charges of making a false statement to the U.S. Customs Service and sentenced to 6 months of home detention, 3 years of probation, and a $10,000 fine. He also forfeited $112,000 and personal possessions used in the crime, which were seized at the time of the arrest. The other two men were convicted on charges of conspiracy to violate the U.S. Clean Air Act. At the time of their arrest, $125,200 and a vehicle were seized and forfeited to the government. One of the two men was sentenced to 3 years of probation, 240 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine. The other man was sentenced to 3 years of probation and 240 hours of community service.

 

[Frank Z]

Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner!!

 

[jimgrms]

There real serious about not using it