Saving Fuel with HHO?

[joe_peters]

BREAKING NEWS!

HOT OFF THE INTERNET!

ALL OF THE BOGUS MILEAGE PRODUCTS REALLY DO WORK!

Don't believe me? Just rent the movie "Chain Reaction".

You just need a better stereo, Dude!

 

[bigdaddyjlove]

Thanks for all the replies guys, I had thought it was mostly hype. But I do think its an interesting idea nonetheless. Does anyone know how much power these brown's gas things use up? I've heard that they don't actually suck much power.

They don't take much power. In the grand scheme, your alternator doesn't put out much power. the catch is you will realize LESS power than you put in.

If this works so efficintly, answer me this. Why do we not make hydrogen from water using house current to power our cars now? BMW has had hydrogen powered 7 series cars for more than 10 years. Your 4.0 in your jeep will quite happily run on hydrogen with very minmal mods (albiet at about 30% less power) with only water vapour and NO2 as the exhaust (nitric oxide is a product of any combustion in normal air).

If they work so great in a 12v DC system, somebody please build me one scaled up to house current. Then, please look at your electric bill and tell me this is free energy.

TANSTAFL

 

[winterbeater]

Oh, man! This is just like the last time! Deja vu! Almost 400 replies. http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=959203&highlight=hydrogen+generator

 

[ECKSJAY]

I am happy to report that I paid $18 for a set of spark plugs and a gapper tool...and after swapping them into my Jeep I instantly gained more power and increased my mileage. It was fawking amazing.

 

[bigdaddyjlove]

And i built a stroker for my daughter's tj, the gas milage went up 20%-30% because I don't put my foot on the floor (she's nt 16 yet, so I drive it some)

Lots of ways to increase fuel milage.

Keeping the engine in tune
over pressure your tires
"clean up" the aero (mirrors, roof rack, skinny tires,ect...)
empty the car of all useless weight

Most of all, Slow Down. The biggest difference you can make is recalibrating the trottle computer between your ears. This is why people see better milage after HHO, tornado, fuel line magnets, ect...... they expect better milage and they drive differently. even if they don't mean to.

 

[themangeraaad]

I am happy to report that I paid $18 for a set of spark plugs and a gapper tool...and after swapping them into my Jeep I instantly gained more power and increased my mileage. It was fawking amazing.

I also found a crazy way to increase my mileage. I went out and bought this thing called an altima. Spent WAY too much money on it (come to think of it I am still spending money on it each month, go figure)... but it did push me to the 30mpg range. As much as my fuel economy is better I can vouch that the amount of money that is on it is not worth the resulting fuel economy gains. Granted it made the ride a bit quieter, drier, and overall a bit better... but still

 

[themangeraaad]

And i built a stroker for my daughter's tj, the gas milage went up 20%-30% because I don't put my foot on the floor (she's nt 16 yet, so I drive it some)

:shocked: If I had a stroked Jeep waiting for me when I turned 16... damn that would have been epicly awesome.. Wait.. if I had a any car waiting for me when I turned 16 that would have been awesome :banghead:

Now that I am a couple years out of college: If I had a stroked Jeep that would be epicly awesome... son-of-a... not much has changed

 

[beakie]

The reason your friend is getting better milage around town, is that changing your driving style around town makes a HUGE difference in milage. On the other hand, 70 mph is 70 mph. driving style matters very little on the highway for a given speed.

He thinks his milage should be better, he drives as though he should get better milage, his milage improves. Cool huh?

good theory, but no.
he got better milege driving exactly the same he did before hand.
he made his kit, and changed nothing about his driving style.
short trips, his milege improved 50% above stock... so 100km stock = 150km HHO
long trips, milege dropped 50% below stock, so 100km stock = 50km HHO

your theory works for you and others that change their driving habits, but considering you don't know this guy, how he drove pre/post, or anything other than what little I told you, your "assumption" is just that.

considering he drove very little, until those long trips back home, he removed the kit after 1 month. he re-set his 'CEL' each time, and would un-plug the kit for long trips each weekend. he decided it wasn't worth the trouble before each road trip to un-plug it, just for an increase in milege over short distances.

anyway, good thought, but wrong application.

 

[joe_peters]

Ana one, ana two, ana three--Ok you pigs, SING!

 

[bigdaddyjlove]

:shocked: If I had a stroked Jeep waiting for me when I turned 16... damn that would have been epicly awesome.. Wait.. if I had a any car waiting for me when I turned 16 that would have been awesome :banghead:

Now that I am a couple years out of college: If I had a stroked Jeep that would be epicly awesome... son-of-a... not much has changed

Sadly, She's not thrilled because its loud (rag top) and a stick shift

I don't get it either, but she WILL drive stick, untill she can buy her own car, or gets massive scholarships to college


p.s. her attitude has been changing a little since we picked up some of her friends with the top down, and she saw their reactions:laugh3:

 

[bigdaddyjlove]

good theory, but no.
he got better milege driving exactly the same he did before hand.
he made his kit, and changed nothing about his driving style.
short trips, his milege improved 50% above stock... so 100km stock = 150km HHO
long trips, milege dropped 50% below stock, so 100km stock = 50km HHO

your theory works for you and others that change their driving habits, but considering you don't know this guy, how he drove pre/post, or anything other than what little I told you, your "assumption" is just that.

considering he drove very little, until those long trips back home, he removed the kit after 1 month. he re-set his 'CEL' each time, and would un-plug the kit for long trips each weekend. he decided it wasn't worth the trouble before each road trip to un-plug it, just for an increase in milege over short distances.

anyway, good thought, but wrong application.

Rock on brother. got proof?

1/2 speed takeoffs make a huge difference.

make me a believer. take the car to a dyno and run with set throttle openings and measure fuel flow rate.

TANSTAFL

 

[kastein]

can you at least stop mentioning "HHO"? It makes the chemist in me want to reach through the screen and smack you with a copy of a basic highschool chem textbook.

EDIT: for all you chumps who believe stuff like HHO, browns gas, etc... do I ever have an interesting bit of medical advice for you! http://www.oasiswater.co.za/reader.php?id=1

Everyone else can now start laughing about these guys claiming to "energize" water and somehow magically change the angle between the H-O bonds in the water molecules. No idea why they think water molecules can be changed such in any permanent way, nor why they think it'll have any effect on the human body, but they seem pretty enthusiastic about it! :dunno:

EDIT2: I bet you guys click on all those "tooth whitener formula discovered by A SINGLE MOM for only ten bucks!" ads too - after all, it was so simple and awesome that a single mom could figure it out without Big Science and Big Business right?

 

[cal]

I have seen this crap installed on an XJ, a JK Rubi, and a diesel sprinter.

All three lost 1-2 mpg.

 

[itbrokeagain]

I will agree with most of you that I dont know anything about this and it all sounds too good to be true. Im not sure that I believe it but what if it actually does work? uke:

 

[bigdaddyjlove]

I will agree with most of you that I dont know anything about this and it all sounds too good to be true. Im not sure that I believe it but what if it actually does work? uke:

If it works and can be shown to work with DOCUMENTED evidence, I'll build one for all four cars in my family this weekend. We have 3 Jeeps and a Yukon XL. I'd love to save some gas.

Anecdotal evidence means nothing.
Anecdotal evidence gives us bigfoot, Nessie, the men on the grassy knoll, The Tornado throttle body spacer, fuel line magnets, electric fan turbo super chargers, the 100 mpg carburetor,

There's no magic here. If this really works, it is possible to show it. It CANNOT work by adding energy to the combustion process. The only way I can allow is an improvement in the efficiency of the combustion. The problem here is that modern computer controlled FI engines are very efficient in the buring of gasoline. the process of piston driven engines converting chemical energy to motion is ineficient (+-30%?) but that is not because of the combustion process itself. It is due to having to dispose of heat. HHO is not going to help with that.

Sorry for the rant, but fuzy thinking upsets me.

 

[collkid]

Umm,

I put one in my Escort a few weeks ago. and well I went from 28 to 35 City sooo, I'd say it works!

 

[bigdaddyjlove]

Umm,

I put one in my Escort a few weeks ago. and well I went from 28 to 35 City sooo, I'd say it works!

You only mentioned city mileage. How about highway?
Any non biased evidence other than anecdotal?

I am happy that you are saving gas. If you can prove to a skeptic (not a dirty word) that this works then please do so. I'd love to do something this easy and save fuel.

Please read this.

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1264904

 

[go1lum]

This is not all B.S. I actually have first hand experience building browns gas units. It was a summer internship for my Welding Engineering Degree. I was working with a very smart engineer. He has a masters in electrical and chemical engineering. He worked up in Canada with a crew of people building and testing browns gas welders. I have built these units from scratch. I have watched numerous videos and we have like 2 3" binders full of information that we have researched on the subject. The problem is that we do not know enough about this yet. There are a lot of unknowns and breakthroughs that have not been found yet. We havn't tested any of them on a vechile yet but i can produce hydrogen.
I think people shouldn't jump to the gun so quickly about calling B.S. so quickly. just because something is out of the norm doesn't mean that it is crap. Do you have any personal experience building or operating these units. I honestly believe that there is possibilities and breakthroughs with this system that the world of science has not found yet.

 

[advrider]

Has "Mythbusters" done this one yet? It would be a good one for them!

 

[go1lum]

Materials needed to build one include
6" SCH 80 CPVC
PVC spacers
Stainless steel plates cut to fit inside the CPVC pipes with the PVC spacers
Stainless steel endplates
rubber gaskets
stainless steel bubbler
various hoses/fitting
electrical supplies (wire,fittings,ect)
1/4 steel endplates
8 pieces 3/8 threaded rod washers and locknuts
Lye/distilled water
I have had successful costic solutions with both Sodium Hydroxide and Potassium Hydroxide.