Official Ron Paul 2012 Thread

[n1ywb]

Why am I voting for Ron Paul?

The federal government abuses the constitution to do what the heck it wants and I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of the abuse of the interstate commerce and health and welfare clauses. This insanity really started in the Wickard v. Filburn case in 1942 when the supreme court ruled that farmer Roscoe Filburn couldn't grow his own wheat to feed his own animals. The court ruled this was constitutional because it AFFECTED interstate commerce. AFFECTED it! There was no commerce! How can you regulate the ABSENCE of commerce? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

I'm sick of the erosion of our right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. This country has turned into a police state. Cops are executing no-knock warrants and shooting dogs and grandmothers for a few grams of weed and more often than not they get the wrong house. We have more people in prison than communist China, and not per capita, just more. Who benefits? The prison-industrial complex. It's a waste of money. I'm not a bleeding heart; somebody breaks into your house, shoot 'em. Somebody commits violent crimes, hang 'em high. I want my kids to be safe, not just from criminals, but from an overreaching authoritarian government.

I'm sick of inflation and funny money. I'm sick of people who think the federal government should or even can control the economy. They best they can do at this point is to not screw it up worse. I'm sick of the feds picking winners and losers. My company has a viable product but we lost our DOE loan bid to Solyndria; now we see how that turned out.

I'm sick of our unaffordable unwinnable pointless wars; war on drugs, war on terror... Did you know that more people are killed annually by bees than by terrorism? Maybe it's time to declare war on bees. I'm sure the politicians would jump all over it if it threw some pork in their barrel.

There are some things I disagree with Ron Paul on. I'm all for the EPA and I'd support a constitutional amendment to authorize it. And frankly I support single payer healthcare, although I'd rather see it at the state level. Oh wait Vermont is doing it at the state level and Ron Paul supports state's rights to do that.

The presidency isn't a dictatorship and Ron Paul isn't going to fly in and wave a magic wand and suddenly transform America into his vision. And despite his media portrayal he's very pragmatic and knows we have to wean ourselves off big government. But he can start to steer us in a better direction.

I don't think I'd want Ron Paul for governor of my state, but for president he's just what the doctor ordered. Peace, prosperity, freedom, and justice.

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[crazyjim]

Where's the "like" button?

 

[Boatwrench]

Five months ago I thought President Obama was unelectable and now I believe he will get a second term. The other parties must pick someone electable and I do not believe Ron Paul is it.

 

[crazyjim]

Five months ago I thought President Obama was unelectable and now I believe he will get a second term. The other parties must pick someone electable and I do not believe Ron Paul is it.

That's the problem with our system... our party must pick someone electable? You mean someone who's in SEVERAL people's pockets and must repay those debts once he gets into office? Is this not exactly what Obama did? Rick Perry and Bachmann are both morons IMO and will be HORRIBLE for the republican party, and even worse for this country. Our voting system is broken, when you can't vote for who you'd like to see win, rather you must vote for the lesser of two evils.

 

[kastein]

I voted for him last election as a write-in, because I did not believe the guy running for my party (I'm a registered libertarian) was true to my ideals. Do you know how strange it felt to write in a guy who ran as a republican, instead of voting for a libertarian on the ballot? :laugh2:

This time around I'm hoping I will be feeling even stranger voting for a republican, something I have never done (don't worry, never voted for a democrat either.) Same guy. Hell, I'll write him in if he doesn't win the nomination.

 

[n1ywb]

Five months ago I thought President Obama was unelectable and now I believe he will get a second term. The other parties must pick someone electable and I do not believe Ron Paul is it.

Actually Ron does pretty well against Obama in polls, it's really a statistical tie. And Ron's popularity is waxing while Obama is reaching new lows. So I think it's premature to label him unelectable.

I really see two candidates. Ron Paul, and "other". Romney, Perry, Obama; same shit, different stanks. The only other candidate I could get behind is Gary Johnson.

I would die to see Ron Paul debate Obama.

 

[n1ywb]

 

[CherBear]

Actually Ron does pretty well against Obama in polls, it's really a statistical tie. And Ron's popularity is waxing while Obama is reaching new lows. So I think it's premature to label him unelectable.

I really see two candidates. Ron Paul, and "other". Romney, Perry, Obama; same shit, different stanks. The only other candidate I could get behind is Gary Johnson.

I would die to see Ron Paul debate Obama.

:worship::cheers::worship:

 

[n1ywb]

Well Ron Paul, the #3 candidate, was neglected as usual during last nights debate (at least they let Gary Johnson in this time).

I thought he gave a pretty good follow up to his misunderstood remarks about Americans fleeing to Mexico from the last debate. Americans sneaking across the border the other way does seem a bit outlandish on the face of it. But the reality is that more and more gringos ARE moving to Mexico due to it's lower cost of living. I lived in San Diego for three years and a pretty good number of gringos commute from TJ to SD every day. That trend may be stalled considering the security situation down there these days. But the point remains valid. In bad times people might want to leave. And authoritarian regimes might not ALLOW you to leave. My wife grew up in communist Poland and can tell you all about it.

Hell I've thought about leaving, but I've been around the world and there's still no place better than the USA.

I also thought he gave a salient warning about national ID cards. And his 10th amendment answer almost brought a tear to my eye.

 

[Beezil]

ron paul is a crackpot.

a vote for him is a vote for obama.

you younger guys need to heed some advice from some of us who have thrown too many votes away for 3rd party/independants, or othr unelectable candidates. Doing so usually favors the liberal dems.

it may be the right vote, or the best vote, but not necessarily, the most STRATEGIC vote.

 

[XJEEPER]

Read my mind, B........read my mind. I'm an Independant and have yet to see any of the current candidates stand out.

That being said, I'm liking Herman Cain and really want to see him debate Obama.

 

[Matt S.]

Honestly? I'd rather have obama for another 4 years. At east it will be a swift slash to the throat instead of the cancer we refuse to treat.

 

[Manic Mechanic]

Ron Paul would be the better choice, but he will not be elected. The main stream refuses to accept him, or to even give him a chance.

My problem right now is Conservatives would rather tow the party line and scream about the evils of Planned Parenthood and gays in the military then deal with the greater issues. Liberals would rather take advantage of minorities to use them for a rally cry about discrimination and flaunt the poor to appear to really care, but are not lifting a finger. Its a crap situation. If a canidate got up and said "I don't give a f*** about anything other than fixing our economy and keeping our nation a functioning and effecient system", then he/she would get my vote. But that won't happen.

The problem we have now is that we are dealing with extremes. Not blaming any one person or group, its just happening. Its like one party feels the only way to get what they want is to be more extreme than the other, a polarization (I'll admit, not sure if this word exists or spelled right) of views and opinions. Has anyone even thought about what the Democratic response to the Tea Party will be? If we end up with Rick Perry or God forbid Bachman, I'm sure we'll see a response. And my money on what happens afterwards in 4 or 8 years will be someone more extreme than Obama. Its a pendulum swing of events that will rip this country apart.

Honestly, I believe if we don't get someone in that will address the issues that need to be addressed, we are setting ourselves up to fail. It doesn't matter if they are Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc. If they have a plan, and the back bone to stick with it, they will get my vote. As far as what is in the field right now, Ron Paul would be the best choice. Sorry for the rant, just pissed at the current situation with everything, and the sheeple allowing it to get worse.

-Eric

 

[n1ywb]

You know, one of the main reasons why I voted for Obama was I honestly thought he would clean up the most egregious abuses of power put in place by Bush. Instead I got Obushma.

Politicians, for the most part, care only about power. And right now the feds are too damn powerful. I think that's the main reason why I will vote for Ron Paul. He's the only candidate that I think we could reasonably expect to actually roll back federal power. Maybe Gary Johnson...

Frankly I don't think it much matters if Romney or Obama wins. Same shit different stink. Voting for Ron Paul sends a loud and important message.

 

[kastein]

Agreed. I've considered changing my party affiliation so I can vote RP in the primaries.

Most people apparently think they are being pragmatic and vote for either the red star sneetch or the blue star sneetch, even though most of the turdbags in both major parties will not fix the problem and will simply drive us further into the ground with their "politics as usual."

 

[ocean_jet]

Sorry for the rant, just pissed at the current situation with everything, and the sheeple allowing it to get worse.

-Eric

And this mentality only feed into that:

you younger guys need to heed some advice from some of us who have thrown too many votes away for 3rd party/independants, or othr unelectable candidates. Doing so usually favors the liberal dems.

it may be the right vote, or the best vote, but not necessarily, the most STRATEGIC vote.

The establishments WANTS you to believe that voting third party is throwing your vote away... of course they want people to believe that. It's their own self preservation.




I see it a bit different than Beezil.... in my opinion, you got 100 million people throwing their votes away because they are too afraid to vote for who they feel will be the best president...

The system works. It was designed so that the powers that be remain in power. The system WANTS it that way.

 

[ocean_jet]

Agreed. I've considered changing my party affiliation so I can vote RP in the primaries.

I have been seriously considering registering Republican for the same reason.

Most people apparently think they are being pragmatic and vote for either the red star sneetch or the blue star sneetch, even though most of the turdbags in both major parties will not fix the problem and will simply drive us further into the ground with their "politics as usual."

Well said!

 

[kastein]

Oh, and as for whether a third party can become a major player, and those saying they can't, I suggest you read up on the Whigs, Federalists, Democratic-Republicans, and Republicans.

Modern day Republicans are the (much bastardized) direct descendants of the Republican Party that Lincoln was the first president from. The Republican party completely replaced one of the previous major two parties, the Whig party.

 

[Crawler]

The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results...

That being said, Ron Paul is the only sane choice we have out of the current field running.

The powers that be are scared to death of him; the obedient media are trying to wash him out of view.
But he is most definitely electable... it's just going to take a little more effort and few more people to awaken.

 

[Manic Mechanic]

I really believe that we need a stronger third party. With the two parties now putting so much distance between each other, and dealing in absolutes, there is room for a third party, but for some reason people are not seeing it that way. For example, if the Tea Party would have just stuck with mantra of "stop wasting money and regulating the piss out of us", they could have ushered in a true 3rd party contender. But no...they started to add GOP baggage and before you know it, they will be just as useless as left wing Dems wanting socialism.

I am not into conspiracy theories and all that jazz, but I do think there are strings being pulled. Its sad when even Jon Stewart of The Daily Show points out how the media is shutting out Ron Paul. News anchors have been caught on live tv, joking about how they are not cutting Ron Paul out, but immediately afterwards say "Well, we are not going to talk about him" (CNN).

-Eric