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"No Bus" Displayed

242_cherokee

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I have a 99 XJ 4.0. I changed the oil this morning and drove to town and got gas and put air in my tires. Its been sitting in my driveway for about four months but i've been starting it usually twice a week to let it charge the battery. well i went to my nephews football game and on the way home when i started it did something funny. It turned over but didnt start so i let up on the starter. i cranked it again and it fired up. about thirty seconds later it would not go when i gave it gas and it just idled and then died. when i tried to start it again it turned but no start. Then the CEL came on and my digital milage meter suddenly displayed no bus. None of the gages work except the oil pressure moves up to 0. all the lights and windows etc. work fine. I'm perplexed. i've checked my fuses, relays, connections in the engine bay everything. Still, no luck. This baby is my DD and i really need to get it running. any help would be really appreciated.
 
First I would check the connections to the pcm (Little grey metal box by the air cleaner)

Also check the connections to the cluster.

See if its throwing codes, I know the crankshaft position sensor is shorted out (melted on header) it will read no bus. the code for that is p1694.

I had a 2000 dodge ram that started doing that and it was the pcm and a buddy with a dakota and it was the cps.

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!if the CPS its a bugger to get to.
 
... when i tried to start it again it turned but no start. Then the CEL came on and my digital milage meter suddenly displayed no bus. None of the gages work .......

Suspect the CPS.

CPS


The most likely cause of it cranks and cranks but won't start up is the Crankshaft Position Sensor (CPS) located on the transmission bell housing. Often this part is also referred to as the CranKshaft Position Sensor (CKP) CPS/CKP failure is very common. The CPS/CKP can stop working with no warning or symptoms and the engine will not run or the engine may randomly stall for no apparent reason.

Crank Position Sensors can have intermittent “thermal failure”. This means that the CPS/CKP fails when engine gets hot, but works again (and will test as “good”) when it cools back down.

Begin with basic trouble shooting of the start and charge systems. Remove, clean, and firmly reconnect all the wires and cables to the battery, starter, and alternator. Look for corroded or damaged cables and replace as needed. Do the same for the grounding wires from the starter to engine block, and from the battery and engine to the Jeep's frame/body. Jeeps do not tolerate low voltage or poor grounds and the ECM/ECU may behave oddly until you remedy this.



Symptoms –
- Starter cranks and cranks but engine won't start up and run.
- Fuel gauge and voltage gauges may not work or display properly.
- You sometimes will have No Bus on the odometer after 30-60 seconds.
- A failed CPS/CKP may or may not throw a CEL trouble code.
- No spark at the spark plugs.
- Fuel pump should run and prime for 3-5 seconds.

If the CPS/CKP is failed sometimes the OBDII code reader cannot make a connection to the ECU/computer or cannot read Check Engine Light/MIL codes because the CPS/CKP has failed. Disconnect the code reader, disconnect the CPS/CKP wire connector, and reconnect the code reader. If the code reader establishes contact with the ECU and scans, your CPS/CKP is failed and needs to be replaced.


Diagnostic steps to confirm the CPS is the cause of your no-start


You should be able to verify a bad cps, by unplugging it, and turning the ignition key to on. If the voltage gauge and/or the fuel gauge now displays correctly, replace the CPS.

Unplugging and reconnecting the CPS sensor where it connect to the main harness near the back of the intake manifold usually resets the ECU and if the jeep fires right up after doing this you can bet that the CPS is faulty and needs to be replaced.

Exchange the fuel pump relay and the ASD relay with one of the other similar ones in the PDC to eliminate the relays as the cause of the no-start Confirm that the fuel pump to runs for 3-5 seconds when you turn the ignition key to ON.

Eliminate the NSS as a cause of no start. Wiggle the shift lever at the same time you try to start. Put the transmission in Neutral and do the same. Do the reverse lights come on when the shifter is in Reverse?

Inspect the wires and wire connectors at the O2 sensors on the exhausts pipe. A short circuit from melted insulation or from broken O2 sensor wires can blow a fuse and the ECU/ECM will loose communication.


CPS Testing


Crankshaft Position Sensor Connector (CPS/CKP)


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TESTING PROCEDURE 1991 – 2001 4.0L H.O. engines
1. Near the rear of intake manifold, disconnect sensor pigtail harness connector from main wiring harness.
2. Place an ohmmeter across terminals B and C (See Image). Ohmmeter should be set to 1K-to-1OK scale for this test.
3. The meter reading should be open (infinite resistance). Replace sensor if a low resistance is indicated.

TESTING PROCECURE for 1987 – 1990 4.0 L engines

Test # 1 - Get a volt/ohm meter and set it to read 0 - 500 ohms. Unplug the CPS and measure across the CPS connector's A & B leads. Your meter should show a CPS resistance of between 125 – 275 Ohms. . If the CPS is out of that range by much, replace it.

Test # 2 - You'll need a helper for this one. Set the volt/ohm meter to read 0 - 5 AC volts or the closest AC Volts scale your meter has to this range. Measure across the CPS leads for voltage generated as your helper cranks the engine. (The engine can't fire up without the CPS connected but watch for moving parts just the same!) The meter should show .5 - .8 VAC when cranking. (That's between 1/2 and 1 volt AC.) If it's below .5vac, replace it.


The 2000 and 2001 will have the CPS in the same location on the bell housing, but the wire connector may be on the passenger side, not as shown in the diagram below. Simply follow the wire from the sensor to the connector.

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Awesome I'll test that out when i get home. I forgot to add that the fuel pump DOES NOT prime when i turn the key to ON. I'll check the CPS out anyhow though. A buddy also mentioned that a BCM Could be throwing the no bus. I did check the gauge cluster connections and the ECU connections. the ECU plugs had dirt in them but i cleaned them out and still no luck. I'll report back later. Thanks guys.

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I agree with Tim. A "no-bus" is very often a shorted crankshaft position sensor. I would try unplugging the crank sensor as detailed in his troubleshooting post. If the crank sensor is shorted and shorting the bus, and if unplugging it clears the no-bus on the odometer, you HAVE found the smoking gun.
 
Found it. Bad CPS. Unplugged it and turned the key on and the gauges came on and the fuel pump primed. The CEL came on which i expected to but the no bus did not appear. gonna go to Auto Zone and Get a new one today after school.
Thanks a million guys i really appreciate it.
 
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