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xjboy said:
That was a little harsh IMO. Maybe they just know that no matter how hard you fight it will always be the same ......liberals suck!
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So I should just lay down and follow cause nothing's ever gonna change?

My dad used to tell me I should fight for what I think is right, even if I know I'm gonna lose. even if fighting won't change anything, the fact that you got up and fought is enough to make it worth while. Maybe I'm just stubborn, but I'm gonna form my own opinion off of my own knowledge, education, and research, and if that goes against the general consensus well that's just too damn bad.

And yes they do lol

Jawa said:
According to SurfXJSnow I'm too busy hiding behind my laptop. :D
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:roflmao:
 
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
-Theodore Roosevelt

We have bigger problems with this country than the president and his (mis)adventures.
 
That's a great quote, but unfortunately few people know what the truth is. I do not, so I generally keep my mouth shut. I like the saying, "be smart enough to know when you're not smart enough". When it comes to politics, I'm not smart enough.
 
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xj-grin said:
I am all for de-criminalization of what people can/cannot do with their bodies, it's none of the government's damn business. Its about personal responsibility for one's actions -- if I get drunk and lose the ability to control a vehicle I chose to drive, I am responsible for that choice, and whatever results.
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Since when has ANY "responsible" person gone before a jury of their peers and openly admitted "I knew what I was doing, I knew the (pot, narcotic, alcoholic beverage) would impair my judgement and physical ability..... and I should be held accountable for my actions." Nope - there's excuse after excuse about substance abuse being a disease. B.S. There's an excuse for nearly every illegal action, and legal loophole after loophole...... and in the interest of lessening the financial burden to prosecute these cases.... plea bargain after plea bargain.

.......And how's that gonna help the victims? Generally speaking - those with substance abuse issues - particularly marijuana, don't have good insurance if they have insurance at all. They aren't generally wealthy, so a civil suit is likely to cost more than the amount the victim would ever get from the culprit. Not even Frank Azar or Brian "Bulldog" Moore are that good at COLLECTING these judgements. All a crook has to do to avoid paying these judgements is to stay unemployed, draw welfare and commit a crime every now and then to get their serious medical/dental issues fixed.........

So yeah, let's do whatever we can to make it EASIER for these idiots to get their substances. ........ uh, no. I'm just fine with the Government telling me I can't legally possess marijuana. Personally, I'd be just fine with prohibition all over again as well - I don't generally enjoy alcohol anyway and I know I could live without it.
 
YELLAHEEP said:
Since when has ANY "responsible" person gone before a jury of their peers and openly admitted "I knew what I was doing, I knew the (pot, narcotic, alcoholic beverage) would impair my judgement and physical ability..... and I should be held accountable for my actions." Nope - there's excuse after excuse about substance abuse being a disease. B.S. There's an excuse for nearly every illegal action, and legal loophole after loophole...... and in the interest of lessening the financial burden to prosecute these cases.... plea bargain after plea bargain.

.......And how's that gonna help the victims? Generally speaking - those with substance abuse issues - particularly marijuana, don't have good insurance if they have insurance at all. They aren't generally wealthy, so a civil suit is likely to cost more than the amount the victim would ever get from the culprit. Not even Frank Azar or Brian "Bulldog" Moore are that good at COLLECTING these judgements. All a crook has to do to avoid paying these judgements is to stay unemployed, draw welfare and commit a crime every now and then to get their serious medical/dental issues fixed.........

So yeah, let's do whatever we can to make it EASIER for these idiots to get their substances. ........ uh, no. I'm just fine with the Government telling me I can't legally possess marijuana. Personally, I'd be just fine with prohibition all over again as well - I don't generally enjoy alcohol anyway and I know I could live without it.
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OK Troy now I got to get in to this shit storm, I'll skip the whole Odumba thing cause its pointless.But the DUI thing just tweaks my nerves. I am not gonna say it OK to get wasted and drive though I am guilty of having done it. There is nothing wrong with having a few drink and then driving, they keep lowering the standards for what is drunk( .05 give me a freakin break) its nothing more than a politicaly correct way to extort money for the citizens. why are the punishments so harsh on DUIs that don't involve an accident? that like saying I should be arrested for having a gun cause I might shoot someone. there is no effective differance between a DUI and DWAI... more B.S. And trust me you would rather walk into a bar full of potheads than a bar full of drunks!
 
Jawa said:
That's a great quote, but unfortunately few people know what the truth is. I do not, so I generally keep my mouth shut. I like the saying, "be smart enough to know when you're not smart enough". When it comes to politics, I'm not smart enough.
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Not that you are not smart enough...........we are controlled and we do not realize it. Not much we can do as a few, it takes a lot of people to make major change.

raW liviC!!!!!!



History repeats itself......................
 
YELLAHEEP said:
Since when has ANY "responsible" person gone before a jury of their peers and openly admitted "I knew what I was doing, I knew the (pot, narcotic, alcoholic beverage) would impair my judgement and physical ability..... and I should be held accountable for my actions." Nope - there's excuse after excuse about substance abuse being a disease. B.S. There's an excuse for nearly every illegal action, and legal loophole after loophole...... and in the interest of lessening the financial burden to prosecute these cases.... plea bargain after plea bargain.

.......And how's that gonna help the victims? Generally speaking - those with substance abuse issues - particularly marijuana, don't have good insurance if they have insurance at all. They aren't generally wealthy, so a civil suit is likely to cost more than the amount the victim would ever get from the culprit. Not even Frank Azar or Brian "Bulldog" Moore are that good at COLLECTING these judgements. All a crook has to do to avoid paying these judgements is to stay unemployed, draw welfare and commit a crime every now and then to get their serious medical/dental issues fixed.........

So yeah, let's do whatever we can to make it EASIER for these idiots to get their substances. ........ uh, no. I'm just fine with the Government telling me I can't legally possess marijuana. Personally, I'd be just fine with prohibition all over again as well - I don't generally enjoy alcohol anyway and I know I could live without it.
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Close the "loopholes" of which you speak, and hold people responsible for the choices you make -- I don't buy the disease bullshit. If you consider yourself an "addict", i.e. one that makes incredibly shittey choices when drunk/high/whatever -- don't buy that substance. It takes a conscious choice to park the car, go into the bar, order a drink, and consume it. If you make those choices, you're on the hook for the consequences. Barring that, I can't help it if a jury of my "peers" are too stupid to understand the concept of personal responsibility for choices...

There is no victim, and I should be guilty of no crime, if I choose to pollute my body and get high as a kite -- I'm not advocating drug use, but I am advocating the freedom to do what I like with my body provided noone is hurt by it. Now, someone gets hurt when I choose to get high and drive -- sure, I'm guilty of negligence, perhaps recklessness, and liable for that injury, whether civilly or criminally. But that same injury resulting from my negligence happens if I am eating one of those messy-ass Carl's jr burgers while driving when I injure someone -- is the crime the drunkeness/burger eating, or is the crime my negligent driving? It's the latter, and that's where the punishment should lie. If I am somehow able to get stoned as the bejesusbelt and drive without causing injury/damage, no crime has been committed, IMHO -- the risk is mine.

I refuse to entrust any infringement on my freedom to do what I like without injuring others to a bunch of freaking bureaucrats -- its not liberty, and its not american. I'll be responsible for my choices, good and bad, and our society would be much better off if we expected the same from everyone. If you allow the government to regulate what you consume, next it is what you drive, whether there is a GPS in it to tax you by the mile, whether you can own a firearm... etc. We are either free, or we are subjects -- wolves or lambs. I believe you said you are not a lamb.:kissyou:

And Jawa, it isn't about smarts in politics -- my axiom is: would this law make me less free? If the answer is yes, I oppose it.:yelclap:
 
My opinion of our current "leaders" in the government, especially the Socialist in Chief; Read my signature, history repeats itself!

Buy more bullets;
 
From a Business standpoint, that is probubly the stupidest decision one could make.

Lets promote my personal political views instead of promoting my business! :twak:

Not that I think our government is perfect, but personally I think the ignorant conservative hype is hilarious. Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

Classic case in point...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U&feature=related
 
Bryson said:
From a Business standpoint, that is probubly the stupidest decision one could make.

Lets promote my personal political views instead of promoting my business! :twak:
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Sorry, I have to disagree, from personal experience. During the Clinton debacles, I had enough, and started to post my opinions about him and his disgraceful behavior on my business sign. I had hundreds of calls supporting me, and only one dissenting caller, who refused to leave his name (unlike the supportive calls.) Business soared, and other local businessmen privately told me they felt the same way I did, but were afraid of offending their customers.

It's time AMERICANS stand up for what they BELIEVE in, and put their money where their beliefs are. FEAR NOT.:us::clap:
 
Geez guys, I wasn't trying to say that I'm stupid and don't know enough to make decisions about right and wrong. :gee: I was trying to say that I don't follow politics close enough to really knowledgeably argue one side or another. Lots of people hear what they want to hear from someone on the radio, from some specialist group, rumors in the office, whatever, and run with it without really doing the homework to know if what they believe is true. I often don't have the time to do that homework so I don't argue. :dunno:
 
YELLAHEEP said:
I think you'd change your tune if you knew how much more difficult it is to prosecute a DUI-D (driving under the influence of drugs) case. The testing process is much more costly, time consuming and unreliable. But no one can make a good arguement that Pot doesn't slow a person's reflexes and motor skills any less than Alcohol.

Do you really wanna see packs of marijuana cigarettes being available at the convenience stores? Do you really want taxi drivers, truck drivers, bus drivers being legally able to get pot and then smoke before or during their operation of these vehicles? Don't kid yourself that it isn't going to happen more often than it does right now......

What about the bar scene? Think there won't be any bars capitalizing on the legalization of Marijuana by opening up smoking bars? Yeah, let's just compound the problem and have some drunk AND high idiots getting behind the wheel.

Sure, there are/will be laws "prohibiting" people from getting high....... but having access to Marijuana without the penalty of even possessing it is what's pretty rediculous.

As it is, the medical marijuana laws are screwing up the security in the Jails. That's right - if they're prescribed M.M. we're required to get these inmates out to fire up a doobie............. How fawked up is that?
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Completely dissagree here!!! It is not the Pot, it is the idiot smoking it that is the problem!! Alcohol is by far worse than Pot can ever be!! And a resounding YES, punish the idiots that abuse it just like we punish the idiots that abuse Alcohol!!
 
YELLAHEEP said:
Since when has ANY "responsible" person gone before a jury of their peers and openly admitted "I knew what I was doing, I knew the (pot, narcotic, alcoholic beverage) would impair my judgement and physical ability..... and I should be held accountable for my actions." Nope - there's excuse after excuse about substance abuse being a disease. B.S. There's an excuse for nearly every illegal action, and legal loophole after loophole...... and in the interest of lessening the financial burden to prosecute these cases.... plea bargain after plea bargain.

.......And how's that gonna help the victims? Generally speaking - those with substance abuse issues - particularly marijuana, don't have good insurance if they have insurance at all. They aren't generally wealthy, so a civil suit is likely to cost more than the amount the victim would ever get from the culprit. Not even Frank Azar or Brian "Bulldog" Moore are that good at COLLECTING these judgements. All a crook has to do to avoid paying these judgements is to stay unemployed, draw welfare and commit a crime every now and then to get their serious medical/dental issues fixed.........

So yeah, let's do whatever we can to make it EASIER for these idiots to get their substances. ........ uh, no. I'm just fine with the Government telling me I can't legally possess marijuana. Personally, I'd be just fine with prohibition all over again as well - I don't generally enjoy alcohol anyway and I know I could live without it.
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Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!! We call ourselves free yet there are so many of you out there that think it is ok telling the rest of us how to live our lives and what we should eat, drink and smoke!! Hippocrite you all are if you call yourself an American and support anything telling people how to live their personal lives!! Oh, by the way what are substances? If you consume twinkies and pepsi, those are substances that are abused by many Americans that cause many health problems that the rest of us will be footing the bill for! Every one of you have your subtance of choice legal, illegal or both!! Maybe we should ban Soda, Snickers, Beer, Wine.........ect!! Get off your high horse because you are no better than the rest of us!!
 
Led said:
OK Troy now I got to get in to this shit storm, I'll skip the whole Odumba thing cause its pointless.But the DUI thing just tweaks my nerves. I am not gonna say it OK to get wasted and drive though I am guilty of having done it. There is nothing wrong with having a few drink and then driving, they keep lowering the standards for what is drunk( .05 give me a freakin break) its nothing more than a politicaly correct way to extort money for the citizens. why are the punishments so harsh on DUIs that don't involve an accident? that like saying I should be arrested for having a gun cause I might shoot someone. there is no effective differance between a DUI and DWAI... more B.S. And trust me you would rather walk into a bar full of potheads than a bar full of drunks!
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Agreed!! :thumbup:
 
mcantar18c said:
So I should just lay down and follow cause nothing's ever gonna change?

My dad used to tell me I should fight for what I think is right, even if I know I'm gonna lose. even if fighting won't change anything, the fact that you got up and fought is enough to make it worth while. Maybe I'm just stubborn, but I'm gonna form my own opinion off of my own knowledge, education, and research, and if that goes against the general consensus well that's just too damn bad.

And yes they do lol



:roflmao:
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Well said!! :thumbup:
 
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