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Another shooting....

Alienspecimen said:
BTW, you are probably aware of the "evidence" that exist out there, showing that President Bush knew about 911 in advance, but did nothing to stop the attacks, so he could engage into a crusade...yes, your rant above sounds just as nutty.
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Stay on topic or start your own "GW caused all this thread". :looney:
 
Global Warming or George W?

Can we rename San Andreas Fault to Bush's Fault yet?
 
asp said:
Fair enough. But did they beat them sensless or just a slap upside the head?

I bet you think parents shouldn't spank their children either.
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IMHO, the society that makes decisions based on rigorous rationing is much healthier society. That is why at the local level, in Washington,DC and on the international arena no one signs a law or an agreement at gun point.

Same with kids. Spanking works, it also works really fast. Explaining that misbehaving child why everyone perceives his/her behavior is unreasonable, thats another story. But thats also part of the healthy upbringing. Thats how you really build a "common sense", because their little brains are like sponges, you start explaining the little things, and eventually their brains apply this rational in the decision process and as time progresses, it becomes a second nature. But that process requires time and patience.

Nothing is accomplished without reasoning. It is evident even here in this forum. What happens when someone utters a profanity or a threat? Well, you know, I dont have to tell you...and if it is bad the mighty administrator steps in and shuts the thread. Is anything resolved? Of course not. All parties are even further divided.

Same with life. All of you have lived enough to understand that it is much easier to demolish something than to build. Good things dont happen overnight, it requires a lot more work to build. Guns work short term. They fail to accomplish long term results. You can find such supporting evidence on the national and the international arena. Societies in which reasoning is replaced with fear do not work. I am naive enough to believe that as the humanity matures, the actions that humans undertake are more and more based on rational reasoning rather than emotions. I am also naive enough to believe that in this forum is still possible to debate and not argue and it is still possible to be friends even with views that span the whole political spectrum.

I just realized that haven't answered your question yet: My son is 17 and hes been spanked by me a total of four times, which I regret. As a result, despite what his friends think, he is not ashamed to show up with me in public, if you know what I mean. With regards to this discussion...last weekend we exchanged our Christmas presents, since won't be home. He got a very nice all metal Tompson Chicago mafia-style airsoft gun. He tried it once and despite of all the excitement that it brought, he put it down out of respect for the Newtown, CT victims.
 
XJEEPER said:
Stay on topic or start your own "GW caused all this thread". :looney:
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Let me decipher this for ya:

Putting on the Internets a statement that President Obama wanted a massacre to happen is just as nutty as putting a statement that President Bush did nothing to prevent 911 attack.

Hope this helps.
 
Alienspecimen said:
IMHO, the society that makes decisions based on rigorous rationing is much healthier society. That is why at the local level, in Washington,DC and on the international arena no one signs a law or an agreement at gun point.

Same with kids. Spanking works, it also works really fast. Explaining that misbehaving child why everyone perceives his/her behavior is unreasonable, thats another story. But thats also part of the healthy upbringing. Thats how you really build a "common sense", because their little brains are like sponges, you start explaining the little things, and eventually their brains apply this rational in the decision process and as time progresses, it becomes a second nature. But that process requires time and patience.

Nothing is accomplished without reasoning. It is evident even here in this forum. What happens when someone utters a profanity or a threat? Well, you know, I dont have to tell you...and if it is bad the mighty administrator steps in and shuts the thread. Is anything resolved? Of course not. All parties are even further divided.

Same with life. All of you have lived enough to understand that it is much easier to demolish something than to build. Good things dont happen overnight, it requires a lot more work to build. Guns work short term. They fail to accomplish long term results. You can find such supporting evidence on the national and the international arena. Societies in which reasoning is replaced with fear do not work. I am naive enough to believe that as the humanity matures, the actions that humans undertake are more and more based on rational reasoning rather than emotions. I am also naive enough to believe that in this forum is still possible to debate and not argue and it is still possible to be friends even with views that span the whole political spectrum.

I just realized that haven't answered your question yet: My son is 17 and hes been spanked by me a total of four times, which I regret. As a result, despite what his friends think, he is not ashamed to show up with me in public, if you know what I mean. With regards to this discussion...last weekend we exchanged our Christmas presents, since won't be home. He got a very nice all metal Tompson Chicago mafia-style airsoft gun. He tried it once and despite of all the excitement that it brought, he put it down out of respect for the Newtown, CT victims.
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I agree that rational reasoning is the best way to achieving good policy. Unfortunately, the uninformed (and brainwashed) are usually the ones creating policy.

I'm glad you share a bond with your son. No BS here, I truly believe it's important that children share a bond with their parents/upbringers.

What does him putting it down do to show them respect? It's not like he was doing anything illegal with it. Respect would be handling it appropriately and safely and knowing the capability it has, even just being an airsoft. Learning proper technique is respect. Putting it down because it is capable of evil is naive. Don't be sheep.



Side note: I hate internet arguing and I don't even want to post this... yet here I am.
 
asp said:
What does him putting it down do to show them respect? It's not like he was doing anything illegal with it. Respect would be handling it appropriately and safely and knowing the capability it has, even just being an airsoft. Learning proper technique is respect. Putting it down because it is capable of evil is naive. Don't be sheep.



Side note: I hate internet arguing and I don't even want to post this... yet here I am.
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We are not arguing, we are explaining our differences. I dont expect that we are going to come to an agreement, but at least we would know better our statements.

The Thompson gun that we gave to my son is a fully automatic gun, with a magazine that holds 450 airsoft bb's. It is also very loud.

As a side note, we have friends in Newtown, they have a daughter my son's age and the mother is involved with girlscouts, so we had some first-hand information. We are shocked and we are not the only ones.

We all thought that turning our backyard into something that resembles a massacre is not only disrespectful at this time, but also does not help neither us, nor our neighbors get out of the shock caused by Newtown's massacre.
 
Alienspecimen said:
IMHO, the society that makes decisions based on rigorous rationing is much healthier society. That is why at the local level, in Washington,DC and on the international arena no one signs a law or an agreement at gun point.
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So, rationally, can you answer the questions I posed about the worth of magazine capacity laws and banning rifles with evil looks?

Can you rationally state that outlawing the sale of firearms that are statistically irrelevant in the overall picture of firearm violence is going to reduce the violence?

The guy that shot up Virginia Tech did so with a handgun that held 10 rounds, yet he managed to kill a bunch of people.
So again.

Explain to me how limiting magazine capacity is the solution.
Explain to me how a pistol grip or bayonet lug makes a rifle an assault weapon.

Someone sent me this link, it was written by an admittedly left leaning author and it was written before the Newtown event.
http://kontradictions.wordpress.com...ew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/

read that, look at the pictures, tell me how pistol grips change the function of a firearm.

Fo what it's worth I do not support the NRA either. I do not donate money to them. I choose other groups to donate my money to to protect my second amendment rights.
 
urban yan said:
Yes, but people are actually working to reduce health related mortalities.
Very little is being done to reduce firearm homicides.

It's not a fair comparison; in fact, it's comparable to people that tell you stop bitching about gas prices because caviar and cologne cost more per gallon.
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violent crime is at its lowest in 30 years. obamas peeps released that statistic during the campaign. what about the last decade of increased gun control, increased penalties for violent crime the 3 strikes laws etc. the list.

and the government is actually helping cause more health related problems with
GMO food and allowing the FDA block good medicines because its not profitable to cure a disease, but it is to treat a symptom.
 
NRA Blames Films, Media, Video, Unarmed Schools for Massacres
http://www.thewrap.com/tv/column-po...er-banner-nra-killing-our-kids-70476?page=0,0

"Why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect the president of our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in our schools?" he said.
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The people that fullfill those duties chose those freely, and they train with firearms continually; you can't expect an academic to have the same skillset (even with training).


"With all the foreign aid the United States does, with all the money in the federal budget, can't we afford to put a police officer in every single school?"
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Most states can't afford to pay their teachers ta fair wage, so I'd like to see how this idea's plausible .


He also pointed to the decade-old "American Psycho" -- which features no gun violence -- and 1994's "Natural Born Killers" -- which has plenty of it -- as the type of films that sicken society. He said the "blood-soaked" films are "aired like propaganda loops on splatterdays."

He also pointed to music videos that "portray life as a joke ... and portray murder as a way of life."

"And then they all have the nerve to call it entertainment," LaPierre said. "Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?"
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Ah yes, the 'Kitchen Sink Argument'. I, honestly, expected more from these guys. It's their job to protect the rights of responsible gun owners.... not blame everyone and everything else.
 
Does anybody find it ironic that the left wing medial is feeding the fire on the ban guns movement and they are doing so from behind armed guards?

I caught the tail end of an interview with an anti-gun crazy lady commenting on Wayne LaPierre’s comments, it is hard to debate when people are that stupid;

Wayne – we need armed guards in schools
Crazy lady – do we want the NRA in our schools advertising to our kids

That is not even clever at pushing an agenda, that is just stupidity on an expert level.
 
Saw this picture today and got a good chuckle from it. The sad thing is, the people who want to ban guns would probably see this and say "Not a bad idea..."
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Yah, there are a lot of crappy comparisons being touted lately.

People don't like it when their hobby is messed with.

Simple fact is that ANYTHING can be a weapon. We were reminded that on 9/11.

You want to save the Gun Hobby?
Show how it is a Family hobby, that it brings people together in a positive manner.

There is more to the gun hobby than the press woud allow anyone to believe.

-Ron
 
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Absolutely!

How many folks went hunting with Dad?
Millions.

How many have passed that legacy down to their Son's and Daughters (That's right...Daughters)? Millions.

It's a hobby, it's a sport, it's survival. We as a society want to protect everyone from everything.

We simply can't. And that is the bottom line.

-Ron
 
urban yan said:
Apples and Oranges.
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How do you figure? I love when the anti-gun people get upset about various comparisons and say "oh, well that's different so it doesn't apply". If it's someone who opposes the gun-control faction, suddenly any arguments they make are invalidated. But every argument used to support banning guns is perfectly valid. You can't have it both ways, guys.
 
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