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Joe Manchin III: Newtown demands everyone’s attention
We need to address not only weapons, but mental health and violent materials
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In the days after the horrific tragedy in Newtown, Conn., I made it clear that I believe it is time for us to move from rhetoric to action to prevent future acts of senseless mass violence.

Since then, much has been made of those comments - some of it accurately reflecting what I said, some not.

Because I am an A-rated, lifelong member of the National Rifle Association and a proud defender of the Second Amendment, some people viewed my comments as a tipping point in the debate about guns in America.

The true tipping point, of course, is what happened in that elementary school on Dec. 14 - the unimaginable slaughter of 20 children and the teachers and staff members who were defending them.

When children die tragically, it rips at our hearts. Even in our grief, we demand a reckoning.

That reckoning is now upon us. We owe it to those children and their families to take it seriously.

We must reconsider the treatment of the mentally ill. We must challenge a popular culture that accepts stomach-churning violence in movies and video games. We must look at the use of high-capacity ammunition magazines and military-style assault weapons.

Committed gun owners like me can and must listen to reasonable ideas about preventing mass violence.

But whatever steps we take must be comprehensive - and must bring the entertainment industry and mental health community to the table. We cannot snap our fingers, push one-track legislation that focuses exclusively on guns, and pat ourselves on the back.

Such an approach certainly won't fare well in Congress. More important, it won't fully address the problem.

I truly appreciate President Obama's intentions to "push without delay" a set of recommendations to address the kind of madness we witnessed in Newtown.

However, an approach without significant input from the entertainment, gun and mental health communities, will not meet the crucial test of credibility. It excludes too many of the voices that must be heard if we're going to get this right after so many decades of bitter stalemate.

If the administration takes a guns-first approach without addressing the other factors at play, we will be no closer to resolving this than we were before the horror in Newtown.

No matter how strongly any one of us holds our positions, we all must be willing to respectfully hear each other out:

Elected leaders must hear recommendations from the mental health community. Gun-control advocates must listen to gun rights supporters. The entertainment community must listen to those who want to see less violence on their screens.

If we let irrational fear and antagonism control the debate, then we will continue to be a nation of violence.

We need leaders who can be open-minded. We can't villainize those who disagree with us, and we can't dismiss legitimate concerns outright. We cannot pay lip service to those perspectives; they must be the driving force of change.

At the same time, as a proud gun owner and a member of the NRA, I will continue to urge the organization's leadership to come to the table because I would like to see a more meaningful discussion - because every group with a role to play in this conversation should contribute.

I'm open to a discussion about whether we need more security in our schools, as the NRA proposed, but that can't be the only measure that comes out of this.

An all-or-nothing approach from any of these parties won't result in the changes we need to keep our children safe.

Because if you think the problem of mass violence in our country is about just guns, you're wrong. If you think it's about just an entertainment industry that markets violence to kids, you're wrong. If you think it's about just insufficient security at our schools, you're wrong. If you think it's about just the lack of mental health services for troubled young people and adults, you're wrong.

We need to address all of them. I, for one, simply cannot support any proposal that doesn't address all aspects of this problem.

So I propose an alternate path: a national commission on mass violence.

Such a commission could lead the national conversation that is desperately needed in the wake of Newtown. It could hold public hearings, after which it would issue a report and recommendations based on facts, not emotions or preconceived notions of what it takes to end mass violence in America.

When the president announced his task force this past week, he said it would not be one more Washington commission, "studying the issue for six months and publishing a report that gets read and then pushed aside."

That is certainly not what I envision for this group. The worst possible outcome would be another Simpson-Bowles commission, whose excellent blueprint has languished despite bipartisan support.

Instead, this panel would have teeth - more like the 9/11 Commission.

I am not the first to suggest this approach. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, have advocated a similar effort for years.

Such a commission could go well beyond the work of the president's task force and provide a fuller understanding of the root causes of senseless acts of violence.

That's because finding a comprehensive solution will take effort - the effort to talk with experts from a variety of fields, including mental health and entertainment; to craft recommendations that seek to avert unintended consequences; and to build a consensus to move forward on a matter that has divided our country for far too long.

Putting forth this effort doesn't mean it would take forever - but it certainly means it would take more than a few weeks.

We cannot have this conversation without gun owners and groups like the NRA. Sportsmen, hunters and gun owners must have a seat at the table.

They've been vilified for so much of the mass violence in America, and that's just wrong. They're hurting about Newtown as much as the rest of us.

If you blame the NRA for what happened there, you're blaming 4 million law-abiding Americans who tuck their children into bed every night and who teach them to respect firearms and use them safely.

And if you blame them, you're also blaming me, because I'm one of those 4 million NRA members.

Responsible gun owners should be at the forefront of any effort to find a balance between rights and responsibilities to make America safer for our children.

We understand better than most that guns made this country free and are an important part of our culture and heritage.

I make this solemn pledge to friends who are proud, law-abiding members of the NRA: I will defend the Second Amendment with every fiber of my being.

And I pledge to friends in the media and entertainment industry: I will defend the First Amendment just as vigorously.

I'm never going to give up my guns. That will not happen. I support a sensible, comprehensive process that leads to reasonable solutions regarding mass violence.

I will weigh the evidence for any proposals put before me, including ways to address high-capacity magazines and military-style assault weapons, to improve mental health treatment, and to transform a culture that glorifies violence.

We cannot take a single-issue approach. The causes of mass violence run deeper than that. Any solution that doesn't take all concerned parties into account will lack the credibility it needs to become a reality.

But we should all be looking for a comprehensive fix. We owe that to Newtown.

This is the way we responded to challenges in West Virginia when I was governor. After tragic mine disasters, we called a time out, huddled up and created a plan to protect our miners.

We didn't quit mining; we made the mines safer.

That's similar to what this country did after Sept. 11, 2001: We didn't quit flying; we made flying safer.

For the sake of our children, we need to call a time out from politics as usual so guilt by association doesn't become guilt by conversation. No one should be branded a traitor for being willing to talk with others who see the world differently.

The Newtown tragedy has changed our nation forever. So must our thinking be changed.

We must act in such a way that those beautiful children and courageous adults who tried to save them from unspeakable horror shall not have died in vain.
 
that made the mose sense out of anything i've ever heard from a politician.
 
He was a great govenor when he was in office, he actuall made the Highway department pave the shoulder of the road also whenever they paved the highway. when you pull off on the shoulder, you do not drop off the side of the road. He always looked at every angle before he would make a decision, I am hoping he will continue to do so, I also like this statement he made in that article

I'm never going to give up my guns. That will not happen. I support a sensible, comprehensive process that leads to reasonable solutions regarding mass violence
 
another commitee? sounds pretty productive!!


:rolleyes:
 
I understand that line of thought, but I'm never happy to hear anyone proposing to add more to the disgusting size and wastefulness of our government.
 
You can take this to the BANK:

ALL OF THE SOCIALISTS will vote the Party Line when the time comes--think "Obama-CARE".
 
I understand that line of thought, but I'm never happy to hear anyone proposing to add more to the disgusting size and wastefulness of our government.

And now you have hit the nail on the head. The issue is two fold and really little of it has much to do with firearms.
Problem one:
The US as a society has abandoned their "do for yourself" attitudes and self reliance and traded it for the "what is given to me for free" mentality. Personal responsibility has been shunned in favor of letting others make the decisions and take the hard choices and fact os life away from the individual.
Problem two:
The swelling of Government, linked to problem one, is a run away train of power that your either on or being run over by. Like them or not, firearms are not about personal protection or hunting or any other of the often touted buzz terms. It was added second to the Constitution specifically to allow the resistance and protection against the run away train. You can post all the safety and warning signs, crossing guards, and flashing lights (bans and restrictions) you wish to attempt to curb violent crimes and tragedy from occurring but at the end of the day you are merely subjugating yourself into slavery. None of the restrictions will ever do one single thing to circumvent the evil doings of the few while it WILL shackle the responsible and law abiding from doing what they can to help.
Alas I believe the ball is already rolling, the die cast. We will not dodge this arrow of misguided mangling of the Constitution no matter how many rail against it. The Gov. has the reigns and the head socialist will trumpet his "dream of euphoria" where no kittens die and all is provided for free by some mythical and loving entity until we all wake up to discover the shackles about our feet. At which point we can not cry "who did this to us" but simply recognize we did it to ourselves.
I pray that we wake up and see reason but the hope is a thin veil.
God Bless America.:patriot:
 
Got a letter in the mail yesterday from Nick J. Rahall II

I will have to type it out since it is hard copy

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the horrific shootings ay Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Connecticut, As a longtime defender of the Second Amendment, I appreciate and share your views about ensuring the Constitutional rights of law abiding gun owners.

Currently, several Congressional committies and task forces have been commisioned to make recommendations to help prevent simular tradedies from happening again. While alot of media attention has been focused on gun-related proposals, I beleive that any legislation must address the gaps in our mental health system and the issue of drugs and violence in our culture, as well as prayer in our public schools.

I want to hear from all sides before the Congress moves forward, so we can move forward together.

You may be assured of my continueing strong opposition to any attempts to take away the Second Ammendment rights of West Virginians. In the weeks ahead, I certainly will keep your views in mind and hope that you will stay in touch with me so that I may keep you updated

With warm Regards, I am

Sencerely
Nick Rahall
Member of Congress
 
Got a letter in the mail yesterday from Nick J. Rahall II

I will have to type it out since it is hard copy

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the horrific shootings ay Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Connecticut, As a longtime defender of the Second Amendment, I appreciate and share your views about ensuring the Constitutional rights of law abiding gun owners.

Currently, several Congressional committies and task forces have been commisioned to make recommendations to help prevent simular tradedies from happening again. While alot of media attention has been focused on gun-related proposals, I beleive that any legislation must address the gaps in our mental health system and the issue of drugs and violence in our culture, as well as prayer in our public schools.

I want to hear from all sides before the Congress moves forward, so we can move forward together.

You may be assured of my continueing strong opposition to any attempts to take away the Second Ammendment rights of West Virginians. In the weeks ahead, I certainly will keep your views in mind and hope that you will stay in touch with me so that I may keep you updated

With warm Regards, I am

Sencerely
Nick Rahall
Member of Congress

LOLOLOL at this. So according to him things like Sandy Hook occur because of people with mental issues, drugs, video games, movies, and a lack of God in school? Can't believe he's a Democrat, this is something a conservative Republican say.

Mental issues: why isn't he really really trying for legislation on this? What law or bill have you heard? Oh right, none. Why doesn't he or other Republicans stop cutting BILLIONS from mental health care and actually do something to curtail what they are calling the problem in the first place?

Proof: http://dissociativepress.com/post/38227600754

Drugs: most widely used illegal and "dangerous" drug is cannabis by a huge margin. Last time I checked weed makes you hunger, tired, and happy; not a murderer. If that was true, we'd all be dead. :laugh:

This needs no proof, it's common sense.

Media: Japan, Australia, Britian all have the same video games we do. They also have movies. They also have some degree of violence in their culture. They have much less gun homicides than we do, by far. What's the one thing different between us and them? Gun laws.

And yes, we are a different country with a different constitution blah blah blah. But our gun laws (or lack thereof) compared to everyone else in the industrialized world are NUTS.

Proof: http://www.medialit.org/reading-room/media-violence-japan-vs-america
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ng-violence-in-the-media-does-not-cause-crime

God/Prayer: this one really had me LOL'ing. This is how I picture this argument:

God: "Well Jesus, did they put prayer in school yet?"
Jesus: "Nope, not at all."
God: "Hm....that's unfortunate. Prepare another shooter....I want 20 dead kindergarter's this time."
Jesus: "You got it, I'll throw in a couple dead teachers too." :thumbup:

Wait a minute.....I thought God loved everyone no matter what they did or didn't do? :rolleyes:

This doesn't need proof either, it's just dumb. We don't need prayer or God in school. None of it is based on fact. We send our kids to school to learn facts, not fairy tales. Fairy tales with zero factual basis are what church is for. When I send my future kids to school I want their mind to be expanded, not closed shut by religion saying this is the end all answer to everything. When we stop questioning, thinking, and analyzing the real world, we stop evolving and advancing as a species.

These kind of politicians disgust me. They are either completely stupid (likely) or really smart and lie to protect their money (also very likely). And even though they have congressional majority, Democrats are pansies and quiver to all the Republican wants and needs. Republicans also have majority in lower houses, like the states. Their ideologies are running this country into the ground, quickly. And to protect themselves they blame the people who really have no power to change anything because they don't have the money or supporters needed: liberals and progressives. How many independents or liberals are in or have been in Congress or the Senate? Little to none. Yet they are the reason EVERYTHING is going to hell. No, it's the ones who have been, and are still making the laws we live by: Democrats and Republicans.
 
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