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Off the wall thoughts: or thoughts that don't require a thread.

Sean R is a homo.

off grid is totally viable.

I have plenty of experience with solar. I happen to own on of the largest privately owned arrays in chicago.

I am also in the process of building a completely off grid cabin in the ozarks.

I already completed the water system which consists of a 1700 gallon rain water harvesting system. It's already filled up and currently casting off new water. All of those items purchased and installed for the price it would have cost me to drill a well where I'm at.

backwoods solar and wholesale solar are a good place to start
 
seriously, if the technology was available to harness the energy from sean r's pillow every time he bit it, he'd be a big advocate for off-grid livin'.
 
Sean R is a homo.

off grid is totally viable.

I have plenty of experience with solar. I happen to own on of the largest privately owned arrays in chicago.

I am also in the process of building a completely off grid cabin in the ozarks.

I already completed the water system which consists of a 1700 gallon rain water harvesting system. It's already filled up and currently casting off new water. All of those items purchased and installed for the price it would have cost me to drill a well where I'm at.

backwoods solar and wholesale solar are a good place to start

If solar is so viable, why are there still power lines running to everyone's house?
You, are the Homo, Suckoya sent me the pictures. I needed eye bleach.
 
BTW....I was at Toons watching the game last night. Your look-alike came in wearing a WOODS cubs jersey...yep that fuggin ugly. I thought it was you at first, but then again, a stray dog didn't follow behind and shit on the floor like when you are really there.
 
I've seen the ads for grants to go solar, the "tax rebates", etcetera etc... Even the companies that pay you to put THEIR system on your roof... At which time you pay THEM for the power that is being made on YOUR house.
Most of us just don't have any kind of cash flow to put out on a system that lets us go without tapping into the grid.
 
I've seen the ads for grants to go solar, the "tax rebates", etcetera etc... Even the companies that pay you to put THEIR system on your roof... At which time you pay THEM for the power that is being made on YOUR house.
Most of us just don't have any kind of cash flow to put out on a system that lets us go without tapping into the grid.

that's on my business brother.

it's a grid-tie system and could power 10-15 average sized american homes.

It makes about as much power in one hour as some off-grid cabin-sized system do in an entire month. It's not what we're talking about here, but i had to satisfy sean's curiosity before he started sending me weird e-mails and calling my house again. It took me a long time to put an end to that shit.




Check out wholesale solar and backwoods.

for an off-grid cabin, you could probably get away with a 1-2 KWh system.

you could do it for less than half the cost of a solar-sean-r system.

forget about "net-metering" (selling your excess power back) that's not where your payback is....unless you build a really big system that produces a bunch of power, and you are usually not there to consume it. even then its not a winner. at best it's some sprinkles on top.

for argument sake, say you purchase a unit of electricity for 14-16 cents per kwh, the actual portion you pay for the electricity itself is worth a couple pennies.

say you installed a 2.56kw system, if you are lucky you'll produce about 325kwh in that month, and that assumes ZERO consumption on your end.

your net metering agreement (where available and typically small systems don't qualify) will pay you back an insultingly small percentage, and that comes in the form of a "SREC" credit....not a check.

That's not the way you justify solar. You want to size a system so that you consume all of it. If it's too big, then you paid too much for a system that will not return the investment for you.

In other words, every kilowatt hour you use is worth whatever you'd pay for it from a utility if that is an option, and that is typically 13-16 cents or whatever.

every kwh you do not use is NOT worth 16 cents!

Here's how i am justifying my particular off-grid project.

I am at least 3 miles from a high voltage utility. I am 2 miles from a neighbors utility barn, and if i could talk him into squirreling off the primary line on his last pole and clear cut over to me (which he wouldn't do in a million years) a ballpark estimate i got for doing that was about 15,000 bucks, and that doesn't include excavating and clearing.

I will build a system that seems counter intuitive at first compared to how most grid tie systems are configured.

A smallish array and a bigger battery bank. Figure i can build something appropriate for my needs for 9000-12000. maybe even a lot less.

water i have covered.

and the grey/black water flows to a lagoon which is allowed in the county im in.
 
btw....here's why i mention rainwater harvesting in the same conversation as solar....

Where I'm at, I would be looking at a well drilled about 250-350 feet through limestone and dolomite. I'm in an area with a ton of underground caves and other conditions that make well drilling a fingers crossed venture. drill for 200 feet, hit a dry cavity....ooops sorry! move over 50 feet and keep trying!

Screw that. Not gonna risk the expense, not to mention the size pump you need to move a water column with that kind of head height.

With rainwater harvesting, I have a tank in the ground and the pump is sitting at the bottom of it with a head height of 11 feet.

Now I have a 110 3/4 horse pump pumping water to a pressure tank instead of some 900 dollar deep well pump pulling 10 amps @ 220vac. I'm using HALF the power for the same water supply.
 
Now see, I'm sure you didn't just plop down that kind of cash all at once to have everything you need installed.
Is that ideal? Sure! Practical? Yeah right.
I've looked at several sites that sale solar equipment, the stuff ain't cheap... New OR used. And the batteries are killer expensive.
Building the house isn't a problem to me , I've been a carpenter. But doing the electric, be it solar or wind... That poses a problem to me... I'm not an electrician nor try to pretend to be one. All those terms are Greek to me.
I like things to be simple... Solar panel to battery to converter through out the house.
How many panels, how much wIting from them to the batteries (how many of those?) then wiring to the converter then out to the different areas of the house.
 
Now see, I'm sure you didn't just plop down that kind of cash all at once to have everything you need installed.
Is that ideal? Sure! Practical? Yeah right.
I've looked at several sites that sale solar equipment, the stuff ain't cheap... New OR used. And the batteries are killer expensive.
Building the house isn't a problem to me , I've been a carpenter. But doing the electric, be it solar or wind... That poses a problem to me... I'm not an electrician nor try to pretend to be one. All those terms are Greek to me.
I like things to be simple... Solar panel to battery to converter through out the house.
How many panels, how much wIting from them to the batteries (how many of those?) then wiring to the converter then out to the different areas of the house.

what kind of cash?

which system are you referring to?
 
Off grid will never work with the majority of this crowd. It would kill their sex life.

What sex life? Too busy working to make the money to fix the jeep or fixing the jeep! Lol

I'd love to live off the grid completely, unfortunately I also want toilets that flush and lights that come on in the morning, and I don't want to have to maintain an array of batteries in the basement

Flushing toilets didn't exist until the early part of the 1900's, if memory serves me still.
Ah the whole lights thing.... Any idea how many centuries man existed without ELECTRIC lights? It's all in ones perspective. Have a bunch of batteries to run what electrical items you need, or there are other options.... Candles, oil lamps, natural gas.
If it was just me, I'd been gone out n living in the woods years ago... But I have a family to think of too. One with health issues. Not to include my own disabilities.
 
The Good Old Days: They Were Terrible!

I don't want to step over horse shit in the street

I don't want to go walk through the woods to an outhouse, had that as a kid trust me it sucks

Plumbing and electric save lives

That's funny (the link).
Who said anything about getting rid of our vehicles????

What's wrong with the outhouse? I've used them growing up too... Oh I see, you OLD now (roflmao). How many of us aren't though?
 
Well as much as I love my family & want the best for them.... I believe that situations have made it completely inevitable that we will either be living back in a (sic) hotel or have to find somewhere to hide the tent . Because I'll be damned if I pay the same amount as an apartment or hotel to pitch my tent!
So instead of going out and doing this on our own, we are being forced to do it.
Gee I wonder why I can't stand people & their insistent on monitery worth of others.
To do anything in this "free" country you must first 1: have the money to do it and/or 2: get a freaking permit (government permition) to do it!
 
"...They told me not to dream at night;
they told me not to dream, it's a sin..."

-BoF
 
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