legalize it?

[-96JeepSpeed-]

legalize it

 

[CherBear]

I see the point you're trying to make but it doesn't make sense to me. Do whatever drugs you want in the comfort of your own home? If all drugs were legal, do you really think people would be using them responsibly? Ingesting methamphetamines shows a lack of responsibility. Shooting up with heroine is a lack of responsibility. The effects of these drugs causes you to not care about being responsible. I don't care if weed is legalized or not. I don't think it's all that bad, but to think we should be able to do whatever drug we want in our own homes? That'll just make the rest of the world look like the desert dwellers out here...hopped up on meth, no teeth, etc.

It is a terrible idea to do meth!!! My point is not that everybody and their mother should be snorting crack of the blade of a knife.
My point is why does the government need to tell me what to do??

If one day the goverment just decided to legalize all drugs. What would you do?
Would you go shoot up heroin?? No, you would probably just go about your life like a normal human being. As would almost everyone else.

The only advantage is that we wouldn't have to be paying to fight the "War on drugs" or keep all these people in prison. Did you know that the US has 1/4 of every person in prison? We have the highest rate of people in prison than any other country.

You can say that doing drugs is not responsible, but then is drinking responsible? People die from that all the time. Yet no one wants to criminalize that do they? According to your logic we should stop doing any sort of drug right?

 

[JNickel101]

If you want to do drugs that are illegal here in the US, nothing is stopping you from moving to a country where it IS legal....everyone would be happy then, and you could go burden another government....

 

[hookedonxjs]

Be careful how you respond.The government is monitoring.Rednecks and stoners alike.It's a brave new world and a thousand points of light.

 

[hookedonxjs]

Don't answer questions that have not been asked.if you know whats best for you.Its a new world order.

 

[hookedonxjs]

If you don't beleive me some how I just posed a question about "members discount"on a modified tech forum And I got a reponse that said if your name is not red than your not a member. Note how fast the rsponce came back.It's on orfab quarter panels

 

[Khary23]

If alcohols legal is marijuana should also be. I used to smoke when I was younger and I still know a ton of pot heads. I have never seen someone get violent while high ( unless a twinkie was involved ) drive recklessly or try to date rape someone.

 

[JNickel101]

I don't know people who do that when they drink......just b/c you think everyone is awesome when they smoke pot, doesn't mean it should be legal.

And stats are misleading - because just as you said, one is legal, the other isn't....

You have people who can't control themselves on either drug.....but I'd bet you a quarter you have more "former potheads" who are now coke or meth heads than you have "former alcoholics" who do something harder....

Comparing a Narcotic to a Depressant is...well....dumb.

....and I think hookedonxjs is hooked on something else

 

[CherBear]

So what, do all of you want to live in a country where everything exciting yet mildly dangerous is banned?

Maybe we should lower all the speed limits about 20mph for safety of course. Maybe we should ban cars all together! No one ever died from walking into some one right??

You have to decide where your safety and personal liberty meet.

For example, I will use the argument of many people wanting to close many off roading places. They say we hurt the environment or "We arent safe".
All these are in someway true, I mean, Jeeps cause more damage than people, and people have been injured while 4x4ing.
So why do you want to keep Jeeping in places like moab? Because YOU ENJOY IT!

Sure weed isnt perfect, but people like it. Who are you to tell them they cant enjoy themselves. I say Let them have their fun.

 

[Khary23]

First off marijuana is not classified legally or scientifically as a narcotic. There have been tons of scientific studies on the effects of marijuana and it is far less physically damaging than alcohol. The main reason for the resistance for the legalization of marijuana is cultural in basis. People equate pot smoking with laziness, a lack responsibility, and low moral character. I find this untrue. I know some who can be called your typical "pot head", but I think that they have these qualities regardless of the weed. I know far more people who smoke that are successful, contributing member of society. This includes doctors, lawyers, teachers,business owners etc.

 

[CherBear]

First off marijuana is not classified legally or scientifically as a narcotic. There have been tons of scientific studies on the effects of marijuana and it is far less physically damaging than alcohol. The main reason for the resistance for the legalization of marijuana is cultural in basis. People equate pot smoking with laziness, a lack responsibility, and low moral character. I find this untrue. I know some who can be called your typical "pot head", but I think that they have these qualities regardless of the weed. I know far more people who smoke that are successful, contributing member of society. This includes doctors, lawyers, teachers,business owners etc.

Agreed. Just how alcohol has the stereotype of the "Town Drunk". Weed has the same sort of stigma associated with it.
Like i said earlier. Just because a minority of marijuana smokers are lazy and worthless doesnt mean that everyone who smokes it is the same.

 

[JNickel101]

Look I'm all for personal freedom...

You're free to go somewhere where it is legal. Would be much easier to do that rather than continue to lobby a gov't unwilling to legalize it. Or maybe you just like to complain about something?

If you're gonna legalize marijuana, be prepared to legalize cocaine, crack, meth....the list goes on and on. The same arguement that you're making for marijuana will be made for the next drug in line. You can make any "scientific study" say what you want.

I'm glad I don't live in NY where doctors, teachers and lawyers are potheads. No wonder that place is screwed up.

Right, my mistake - not a narcotic, it is a hallucinogen, much like LSD. Much less dangerous.....

 

[JNickel101]

Agreed. Just how alcohol has the stereotype of the "Town Drunk". Weed has the same sort of stigma associated with it.
Like i said earlier. Just because a minority of marijuana smokers are lazy and worthless doesnt mean that everyone who smokes it is the same.

And just because a minority of alcohol users are alcoholics and drunks doesn't mean everyone who drinks is the same....

:cheers:

I still say you're comparing apples and broccoli here....

 

[Khary23]

Look I'm all for personal freedom...

You're free to go somewhere where it is legal. Would be much easier to do that rather than continue to lobby a gov't unwilling to legalize it. Or maybe you just like to complain about something?

The reasons for criminalization of marijuana as stated in an earlier post have nothing to do with the "dangers " of the drug.

If you're gonna legalize marijuana, be prepared to legalize cocaine, crack, meth....the list goes on and on. The same argument that you're making for marijuana will be made for the next drug in line. You can make any "scientific study" say what you want.

You cannot compare marijuana with drugs such as cocaine, heroin and, meth. These drugs are highly addictive and cause real physical damage. You are the one who is now comparing apples and broccoli with that argument. And you can only skew data so much.

I'm glad I don't live in NY where doctors, teachers and lawyers are potheads. No wonder that place is screwed up.

First there is a difference between pot head and user. I'm willing to bet there are a ton of people that you know and respect that smoke.
Would it okay if they were alcoholics because its socially acceptable to drink?

Right, my mistake - not a narcotic, it is a hallucinogen, much like LSD. Much less dangerous.....
No not any thing like LSD. In fact its a very different drug. Just because something is in the same classification does not make it the same. Whales and humans are both mammals, but very different animals. Actually THC is in the same chemical class as pepperment oil.

 

[Khary23]

JNickle,

Don't mean to single you out but, can I ask what your reason is, other than the status quo, for not wanting marijuana to be legalized? Is there a physical danger you can site? Will legalization destroy the fabric of society? Or is there a moralistic/ religious argument?

 

[Boatwrench]

I say legalize it. Then tax the heck out it like a pack of cigs.

Prohibition in the early part of the last century did NOT work, it got a lot of folks including innocents killed and made huge profits for the racketeers. The same thing is happening now with drugs along the US/MX border. Thousands, yes Thousands, of people are killed each year within ten miles of trhe US southern border by gangs postioning for the drug trade. Cocaine is involved, but so is marijuana.

Illegal farms on public lands are not only a nuisance, but a danger to us off-roaders. Hey Janet are you listening?

 

[Darky]

It is a terrible idea to do meth!!! My point is not that everybody and their mother should be snorting crack of the blade of a knife.
My point is why does the government need to tell me what to do??

If one day the goverment just decided to legalize all drugs. What would you do?
Would you go shoot up heroin?? No, you would probably just go about your life like a normal human being. As would almost everyone else.

The only advantage is that we wouldn't have to be paying to fight the "War on drugs" or keep all these people in prison. Did you know that the US has 1/4 of every person in prison? We have the highest rate of people in prison than any other country.

You can say that doing drugs is not responsible, but then is drinking responsible? People die from that all the time. Yet no one wants to criminalize that do they? According to your logic we should stop doing any sort of drug right?

The problem with legalizing everything is that as you keep saying, marijuana is a rather different drug than meth or coke. Have you ever known someone to take a shot of Jack or a puff off the pipe and keel over dead before they even exhale? No? People do from heroine all the time. If people were allowed to do any drug legally, there'd be a much greater likelihood that we would start seeing them behind the wheel more frequently. Once behind the wheel, they inherently become a threat to everyone in their path. You may believe that it's fine to smoke and drive, but then so does the drunk guy think it's ok to drink and drive. So will the guy on cocaine.

As I've said, legalize marijuana or don't legalize it. Some people can smoke and still be functional, others become complete idiots. It's the same with alcohol. Some people will have a beer or two others will drink a case. Some will be functional, others will be idiots. Comparing a pot smoker to an alcoholic makes no sense. Comparing a pot addict (THC is addictive) to an alcoholic makes more sense.

 

[JRW7072009]

I was kinda surprised when I moved from SLC Utah to Nor Cal to find that smoking weed is a normal very common thing. There are billboards up everywhere saying "Need medical marijuana evaluations just call". Also the radio advertises the smoke shops and right now they are selling smell proof bags "just in time for harvest season". The amount of Hippies that are hitch hiking north right now to go harvest there crops is crazy.

Its pretty much legal to smoke weed and have up to a certain amount of weed in your possession. The marijuana cards are pretty easy to come buy and then you can go to the Weed Stores and buy whatever you want. When you apply for a job they ask if you need "time to study". My neighbors grow it in there back yard and dont care who knows about it. I torqued a guys wheels for him at work and he tipped me with a sack of weed, I was pretty shocked. I just gave it to one of the other guys that smokes weed.

I dont smoke it but if I did Northern California would be the place to do it.

 

[xcm]

legalize weed, so that the public will 100% support the war on drugs, then clean the streets of the bad stuff.... coke,

say what you will, but people are gonna be buying weed from somebody, might as well be legit buisnessmen then a mexican criminal organization.

weed is legal in socal too, if youve got a perscription.

 

[JNickel101]

JNickle,

Don't mean to single you out but, can I ask what your reason is, other than the status quo, for not wanting marijuana to be legalized? Is there a physical danger you can site? Will legalization destroy the fabric of society? Or is there a moralistic/ religious argument?

I'm not a fan of any "drug" really - legal or illegal. I am not one to just put chemicals in my body to make me feel better - never have felt the need.

I don't have a whole lot of experience with drug users - very little outside of high school actually. Drugs aren't tolerated in the military, and neither is alcohol abuse (at least in my type of job, where any alcohol related incident is a career ender, because you'll lose your security clearance). But those I have been around acted like complete idiots. I dated my high school valedictorian, and her older brother was a dumbass pothead. Ended up in rehab multiple times...life completely screwed up. His marijuana use led to other drugs and it just ruined everything. Another friend of mine graduated from Va Tech, went on to law school...had a great career ahead of him, but was addicted to crack. Now his life is ruined and he lives in his dad's basement, can't hold down a job. 15 years ago, I had a "mentor" who was 3 years older than me. Accepted to West Point. All conference wrestler. Died 2 weeks before graduation b/c he was out smoking pot with some "friends" and they decided to huff paint or glue - his heart stopped and his "friends" took him to the emergency room. Left him laying in the parking lot and he died there.

In my eyes/mind, drug use of any type means you have a weak mind or body. Why else would you feel the need to "get high" or "get a buzz". To me, it is just dumb - and it enhances dumb behavior. Maybe I'm in the minority because I'm not a hypochondriac who thinks that there is something wrong with me and I need some kind of drug to make me feel better. :doh:

In my eyes, I don't want to deal with it, or deal with people who are on the influence of drugs. Like I said, instead of fighting the dead fight of trying to legalize something that will never be legalized because #1, it would be too difficult to tax, and #2, as you say, has a "stigma" attached to it, why not just go somewhere that it is already legal? Everyone's happy that way.

I mean, is it really that AWESOME of a thing to fight so much to have it legalized? Is it something to be so passionate about? Imagine if all the time people spent protesting dumb shit was actually spent doing something constructive....wow....this country would be just that much better of a place to live in....