Just like a typical freeloader (non member using our valuable information) to support a socialist lefty. GTFO my state!
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Obama Time:
- Thread starter fiyerbirdie
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Bush: Less taxes/Less jobs
Mccain: Less taxes/Less jobs
Obama: More taxes/More jobs..
maybe next time i lose a job, it will be for a self inflicted reason.. Instead of Outsourcing?
Mccain: Less taxes/Less jobs
Obama: More taxes/More jobs..
maybe next time i lose a job, it will be for a self inflicted reason.. Instead of Outsourcing?
I'm noticing a pattern here with these freeloaders... Hmmmm...
Russ Pottenger
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X2 Jim,
Were Kindred spirits.
:thumbup:
Were Kindred spirits.
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Sorry... i'd contribute. but my jobless a$$ cant afford it... give it a couple months for the economy to go back to the way it was with clinton.. and i'll paypal..
Russ Pottenger
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Might want to check your facts.
More jobs were created, and lower unemployment under Bush than Clinton.
You mean the socialist redistribution of wealth program that will be in act under Obama?
slowrider
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I didn't vote for the Prezelect but he's in so lets see how he manages.
I'll never come close to his current $250,000 rich guy tax so my worries are more personal; about land access (hello roadless wilderness), sales tax (10.25% in Chicago)budget (-46 $million pension deficit in Chicago) and the street violence (highest murder rate in the country in Chicago).
I hope he's better than where he came from.
I'll never come close to his current $250,000 rich guy tax so my worries are more personal; about land access (hello roadless wilderness), sales tax (10.25% in Chicago)budget (-46 $million pension deficit in Chicago) and the street violence (highest murder rate in the country in Chicago).
I hope he's better than where he came from.
Woodstock
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Facts ??
Bush jun. nearly doubled it (and is leaving a big bank crisis for the next one)
Industrial growth rate: -1,7 (that will not bring more jobs)
and unemployment rate is rising !!!
5-90
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Let's see...
Bush isn't responsible for economic policy (not defending the man - just illuminating the workings of our government.) The Congress is - and the Congress has been controlled by Democrats for the last two years (as has the Senate.)
This applies to fiscal policy at the Federal level across the board.
Bush isn't an unlimited monarch - he either passes what Congress/Senate sends to his desk, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, it's possible for Congress/Senate to override his denial (Veto) anyhow.
Much of our "Public Debt" is generated with the trade deficit imbalance we have with other nations - mainly China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan (due to "chasing the China price" like we have been.) Who controls trade policy and tariffs? Yep - Congress and Senate again. Not Bush.
The trade deficit imbalance contributes to both the devaluation of the dollar and unemployment (if we buy goods made overseas, the guys who used to make them here aren't needed to do so anymore, and therefore are let out of a job.)
While it's true that having a Democrat in the Oval Office and a Democrat-controlled Senate/House is going to be a problem (Party solidarity, and the Democrats are almost invariably statist by now...) the President isn't solely responsible for social ills, unless he's commanding under Martial Law and bypassing Senate/Congress.
It's not so much having Obama as POTUS that worries me, but having Obama as POTUS with the Democrats in control of the Senate and the House - we can only hope that the Republicans (lesser of two evils...) can regain control in the next election cycle.
Is my opinion racist? Hardly - I've no trouble with the idea of a Black President - just not Obama (likewise, I'm not sexist - I've no trouble with the idea of a female President - just not Hillary. I'm inclined to think that the Democrats should rename themselves the Socialist party, or they should go set up shop as a Socialist country somewhere else. I feel like I'm in the middle of an Orwell novel - somewhere in between Animal Farm and 1984.)
And, does anyone find it telling that Obama has had what is probably the most USSS protection around him ever? And he wasn't even President-elect yet?
I asked my wife (family legal expert) one question earlier - assume that the suits brought against Obama challenging his eligibility for POTUS find that he is, in fact, not eligible to hold office. While he was merely a candidate, it would have removed him from the race. Now that he's POTUS-elect, what would happen? Would they simply disqualify him for holding office, or lock his arse up for the next couple hudred years for fraud? Hmm...
Bush isn't responsible for economic policy (not defending the man - just illuminating the workings of our government.) The Congress is - and the Congress has been controlled by Democrats for the last two years (as has the Senate.)
This applies to fiscal policy at the Federal level across the board.
Bush isn't an unlimited monarch - he either passes what Congress/Senate sends to his desk, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, it's possible for Congress/Senate to override his denial (Veto) anyhow.
Much of our "Public Debt" is generated with the trade deficit imbalance we have with other nations - mainly China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan (due to "chasing the China price" like we have been.) Who controls trade policy and tariffs? Yep - Congress and Senate again. Not Bush.
The trade deficit imbalance contributes to both the devaluation of the dollar and unemployment (if we buy goods made overseas, the guys who used to make them here aren't needed to do so anymore, and therefore are let out of a job.)
While it's true that having a Democrat in the Oval Office and a Democrat-controlled Senate/House is going to be a problem (Party solidarity, and the Democrats are almost invariably statist by now...) the President isn't solely responsible for social ills, unless he's commanding under Martial Law and bypassing Senate/Congress.
It's not so much having Obama as POTUS that worries me, but having Obama as POTUS with the Democrats in control of the Senate and the House - we can only hope that the Republicans (lesser of two evils...) can regain control in the next election cycle.
Is my opinion racist? Hardly - I've no trouble with the idea of a Black President - just not Obama (likewise, I'm not sexist - I've no trouble with the idea of a female President - just not Hillary. I'm inclined to think that the Democrats should rename themselves the Socialist party, or they should go set up shop as a Socialist country somewhere else. I feel like I'm in the middle of an Orwell novel - somewhere in between Animal Farm and 1984.)
And, does anyone find it telling that Obama has had what is probably the most USSS protection around him ever? And he wasn't even President-elect yet?
I asked my wife (family legal expert) one question earlier - assume that the suits brought against Obama challenging his eligibility for POTUS find that he is, in fact, not eligible to hold office. While he was merely a candidate, it would have removed him from the race. Now that he's POTUS-elect, what would happen? Would they simply disqualify him for holding office, or lock his arse up for the next couple hudred years for fraud? Hmm...
Woodstock
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@5-90:
i have to agree that not only Bush is responsible for the problems. But he did nothing to fight against them.
Doing a war in Iraq is not cheap and don't help to keep your deficit low.
I was 2 times in the US and all the stuff and goods I bought I found out were NOT made in the US. China, India, Mexico,.... are the countries were they are made at.
Why?
Your companies (and it's the same here in europe) are starting to produce stuff in less-income countries. But no one is saying a word against that. Even not the politicans (as I think they get money for not doing anything against that).
Your politicans are sticking more in the economics as they should do. The effect is that some of their decisions are just to make them richer, and you all poorer. The gap between poor and rich is getting bigger.
To solve that you need a POTUS who will not be like a marionette like Bush was (my opinion - and the rest of europe's opinion).
And to attach some other things:
We europeans have to pay a lot more on taxes than you. All the money goes into different things (like in the US) AND in environmental protection. But as not everyone is working on the same thing (USA, China are the biggest environmental polluters) my money just goes down the river.
So please let's work together to solve not only our country problems - let's solve OUR world problems (as they belong to all of us in that globalised world).
And we europeans think that Obama could be the man to work with all of us.
i have to agree that not only Bush is responsible for the problems. But he did nothing to fight against them.
Doing a war in Iraq is not cheap and don't help to keep your deficit low.
I was 2 times in the US and all the stuff and goods I bought I found out were NOT made in the US. China, India, Mexico,.... are the countries were they are made at.
Why?
Your companies (and it's the same here in europe) are starting to produce stuff in less-income countries. But no one is saying a word against that. Even not the politicans (as I think they get money for not doing anything against that).
Your politicans are sticking more in the economics as they should do. The effect is that some of their decisions are just to make them richer, and you all poorer. The gap between poor and rich is getting bigger.
To solve that you need a POTUS who will not be like a marionette like Bush was (my opinion - and the rest of europe's opinion).
And to attach some other things:
We europeans have to pay a lot more on taxes than you. All the money goes into different things (like in the US) AND in environmental protection. But as not everyone is working on the same thing (USA, China are the biggest environmental polluters) my money just goes down the river.
So please let's work together to solve not only our country problems - let's solve OUR world problems (as they belong to all of us in that globalised world).
And we europeans think that Obama could be the man to work with all of us.
5-90
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@Woodstock -
You seem to have a greater grasp of how things are "supposed" to be done in Washington than the typical American citizen (which probably explains much...)
Politics being what it is, I'd not be surprised if a number of measures now proving unpopular were done as one half of a concession for something-or-other.
WRT Iraq - we still haven't learned the lessons offered in Korea and Vietnam. The principal difference in Iraq & Afghanistan? The motivation is not political - it is religious. Secondary difference? We can forget about peace talks - it's a war of annihilation. Radical Islam has come out and decried us as the "Last Great Satan," and they will be satisfied with nothing less than the destruction of America (or overtaking with a predominantly Muslim/Islam populace - which is what's happening around you. Demographic warfare. We're already dealing with it with New Aztlan & the Reconquistas.)
Demographic warfare is the most recent change - the last large change in warfare was the conflict against a highly motivated and populous indigenous enemy, who had effectively unlimited manpower (thanks to overpopulation) and didn't mind throwing human waves against us. In Vietnam, it was often said that losing fifty VC to kill one American soldier was a net victory for the VC - and there is some truth to that.
Unfortunately, most of higher-higher is still fighting World War II. And, until we can fully grasp the change (moving toward small, highly mobile units in the field taking the fight to the enemy in their own backyard.) We have the assets to start doing this, but our political leadership lacks the will to use them effectively. Until this changes, we are doomed to loss.
And maybe Europe does have much higher tax brackets, but there are two factors at work there:
1) Much of Europe approaches socialism, from what I've seen.
2) Europe does, however, seem to do a better job of pushing tax dollars into social infrastructure. I'm quite sure there is a fair share of "pork barrel" politicking going on, but it's not as great as it is here.
(These two are in no particular order.)
WRT Politicians being "puppets" - don't leave that just at Bush I or Bush II (or any other POTUS) - effectively, all elected "leaders" are puppets of various special interest groups, lobbyists, and they're working to enrich their own egos or their own wallets.
"Democracy is based upon the idea that the public at large knows what sort of government they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -H. L. Mencken. I'm sure I'm misquoting that, but the sentiment is there.
You seem to have a greater grasp of how things are "supposed" to be done in Washington than the typical American citizen (which probably explains much...)
Politics being what it is, I'd not be surprised if a number of measures now proving unpopular were done as one half of a concession for something-or-other.
WRT Iraq - we still haven't learned the lessons offered in Korea and Vietnam. The principal difference in Iraq & Afghanistan? The motivation is not political - it is religious. Secondary difference? We can forget about peace talks - it's a war of annihilation. Radical Islam has come out and decried us as the "Last Great Satan," and they will be satisfied with nothing less than the destruction of America (or overtaking with a predominantly Muslim/Islam populace - which is what's happening around you. Demographic warfare. We're already dealing with it with New Aztlan & the Reconquistas.)
Demographic warfare is the most recent change - the last large change in warfare was the conflict against a highly motivated and populous indigenous enemy, who had effectively unlimited manpower (thanks to overpopulation) and didn't mind throwing human waves against us. In Vietnam, it was often said that losing fifty VC to kill one American soldier was a net victory for the VC - and there is some truth to that.
Unfortunately, most of higher-higher is still fighting World War II. And, until we can fully grasp the change (moving toward small, highly mobile units in the field taking the fight to the enemy in their own backyard.) We have the assets to start doing this, but our political leadership lacks the will to use them effectively. Until this changes, we are doomed to loss.
And maybe Europe does have much higher tax brackets, but there are two factors at work there:
1) Much of Europe approaches socialism, from what I've seen.
2) Europe does, however, seem to do a better job of pushing tax dollars into social infrastructure. I'm quite sure there is a fair share of "pork barrel" politicking going on, but it's not as great as it is here.
(These two are in no particular order.)
WRT Politicians being "puppets" - don't leave that just at Bush I or Bush II (or any other POTUS) - effectively, all elected "leaders" are puppets of various special interest groups, lobbyists, and they're working to enrich their own egos or their own wallets.
"Democracy is based upon the idea that the public at large knows what sort of government they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -H. L. Mencken. I'm sure I'm misquoting that, but the sentiment is there.
Woodstock
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Maybe I should try to be elected as your next president
... as you have got the first (don't know if this term is ok?) black president ... the next is the first "non-american" one :conceitedfor the rest I only can agree ...
and we still have growing problems with politicans at the european government .... as they seem to be more "puppets" than the local politicans.
I don't really like the kind of how they are doing there. And they all want to get more might to govern the countries in europe.
but BTT: let's see what Obama brings to you and is doing for you. and what the rest of the world is expecting: is bringing in to the community and is doing for the community.
I don't think that he will be this bad as some are writing here. I think that no new president can do so.
Maybe some restrictions will come up. Maybe some limitations appear. But give him a chance to start a good job.:speepin:
jeeperjohn
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Disgust, that is what I feel. This man will bankrupt our beloved country with his rampant social programs and tax and spend philosophy. Get ready to bend over and give it up to the man folks.
jeeperjohn
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You don't think outsourcing will increase under Obama? With the taxes he will impose on US businesses, there will be a mass exodus to mexico and other places where labor is cheap and environmental regulations are practically nonexistant. There will be more jobs alright, in other countries!
alek21
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nah, i make a mil a year, some years a mil and a half.
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It's not. I grew up color blind in the 1960s. I was just pointing out that that this country was founded as a slave state and that black men, never mind having no rights at all, weren't even counted as whole men.
We've come a long way.
