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Old June 24th, 2020, 09:56
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Re: Disc swap?

No, but the shim can't go anywhere, it's trapped between the c-clip and the side gear(in my case the locker side shell) and it's centered by the axle shaft! Neither the c-clip or the axle can go anywhere once the center cross-shaft pin is re-installed.
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Old June 24th, 2020, 10:50
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bedded*(EDIT) why did naxja like the idea of removing this feature, oh well.
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Old June 24th, 2020, 13:02
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The "Edit' feature is available to paid members. Go RED.

It amazes me how the many of frequent posters are freeloaders and do not pay, the information you get here is worth more than the $35 a year cost of membership.
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I WAS red, maybe offer a basic feature on a forum ide like to support and you'll see red again. I for one would like a more user friendly platform, an edit is a simple function to offer to ANY/All users. Unfortunately, naxja is The Only forum I know of that does this.
For certain edit was important for me as I was once very new here, and I cared enough to edit where I saw fit.
It's simple for anyone red or not to want to edit their post. Be it to help clarify for others in the future, or a simple typo. Are you saying then by not being red lettered, a new user whom would like to edit, is then a freeloader? What if it was my first time posting, am I a freeloader then?
Hell, with your logic why not lock access off all together, pay to enter or never at all.

This being your second time commenting on this subject on my thread, I'll happily encourage you to adjust the beat of your drum. Then, just maybe you might have a few less "FREE LOADERS", but you sir are certainly not helping your plight, not with that attitude.

Ide care to have edit available for all. Say I'm red, say some isn't and would like to edit on a thread I've created. I certainly care to have them edit, is this going to be enabled by my going red??? If you can't say it will then I guess I'm still at odds as a freeloader.
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Old June 24th, 2020, 14:20
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Re: Disc swap?

Did you mention the disc you swapped? The Grand Cherokee and the Ford disc that are the favorite have separate parking brakes, completely independent of the hydraulic side. My XJ have already worn out a set of Grand Cherokee disc while still fitted with the original 26 year old master cylinder and combination valve. The pedal is as high as I would ever want it to be.

Time to give your new brakes a once over.
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Old June 24th, 2020, 14:36
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Say I'm red, say some isn't and would like to edit on a thread I've created. I certainly care to have them edit, is this going to be enabled by my going red??? If you can't say it will then I guess I'm still at odds as a freeloader.

Yep, If you are a RED member, you can edit your past postings.
I just went back and edited a posting I made in 2005. It works.

For a forum that isn't up to your high standards, you sure use it a lot.
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Old June 24th, 2020, 20:32
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sure do, mostly great folks, great info, and a fantastic place to learn. This just is not a great place to amend anything for any reason, for Any one. but hey, I dont pay. Edit quite worth adding back.......
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Old June 24th, 2020, 20:49
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Did you mention the disc you swapped? The Grand Cherokee and the Ford disc that are the favorite have separate parking brakes, completely independent of the hydraulic side. My XJ have already worn out a set of Grand Cherokee disc while still fitted with the original 26 year old master cylinder and combination valve. The pedal is as high as I would ever want it to be.

Time to give your new brakes a once over.
I used Centric calipers and pads for the rear discs. Axle shafts are Yukon. I bedded the hell out of the pads and they are feeling very nice for stopping. Not sure ill switch the valve really.

The pedal has a unique new travel where the first 1/4 is soft, but front brake strong. 2nd 1/4 still fairly soft and starts to get front and rear engaged. 3rd, 4th travel path really start to grab much more, both front and rear, but ends the stop with the front. The pressure difference to travel length is quite different from the drums. Drove a few hours with no ill effect, I feel confidant there isnt air in the line causing this issue. There is a different feel to brakes before starting the vehicle. The pedal travels quite far with ease, once running the booster kicks in significantly.

The parking brake has hella tention on it, immediately on the lever you feel the spring tension. About halfway up with the lever I have the jeep anchored on a drive way in Neutral. I need to look into this more, but I feel like the passenger side is providing far more of the lock up.


still learning the feel of the new set up.
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Old June 25th, 2020, 03:11
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I used Centric calipers and pads for the rear discs. Axle shafts are Yukon. I bedded the hell out of the pads and they are feeling very nice for stopping. Not sure ill switch the valve really.

The pedal has a unique new travel where the first 1/4 is soft, but front brake strong. 2nd 1/4 still fairly soft and starts to get front and rear engaged. 3rd, 4th travel path really start to grab much more, both front and rear, but ends the stop with the front. The pressure difference to travel length is quite different from the drums. Drove a few hours with no ill effect, I feel confidant there isnt air in the line causing this issue. There is a different feel to brakes before starting the vehicle. The pedal travels quite far with ease, once running the booster kicks in significantly.

The parking brake has hella tention on it, immediately on the lever you feel the spring tension. About halfway up with the lever I have the jeep anchored on a drive way in Neutral. I need to look into this more, but I feel like the passenger side is providing far more of the lock up.


still learning the feel of the new set up.
That's an interesting description of the pedal travel. I don't recall that on my 8.8 discs, but it was a few years back. Very interested in seeing the final outcome.
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Old June 25th, 2020, 05:26
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Re: Disc swap?

It's a 2 fold issue, now the front and back have similar size pistons but your rears have to take up the slop in the pads every time you hit the brakes. My brake pedal only moves about 1/8-1/4" before a firm pedal is there.
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Old June 25th, 2020, 09:52
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It's a 2 fold issue, now the front and back have similar size pistons but your rears have to take up the slop in the pads every time you hit the brakes. My brake pedal only moves about 1/8-1/4" before a firm pedal is there.
Sorry to keep beating this shim thing to death, but use love to see this set up if you ever find yourself I there again.

Is this shimmer set up called any thing or can I Google something to get a visual?

I like the pedal response your getting from this.
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Probably the same sound reasoning that concluded the Utah regional chapter should be the part of the Colorado chapter.
Not really applicable to this thread, but FYI......when the Intermountain Chapter was formed back in the early 2000's, Utah was the anchor state, as we had nearly 50 active members at the time.

Over time, lack of interest/time by Utah XJ owners to step up and take on Chapter Leadership positions led to the chapter being folded into the Colorado Chapter. It takes a lot of unpaid, donated time to manage the chapter, organize events, land use activities, etc.

If you are interested in creating a Utah Chapter, you'll need local members to nominate and elect a President, VP, Secretary and Treasurer.
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Sorry to keep beating this shim thing to death, but use love to see this set up if you ever find yourself I there again.

Is this shimmer set up called any thing or can I Google something to get a visual?

I like the pedal response your getting from this.
Not my pic but the shims would go in between the c-clip and the side gear.
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Old June 25th, 2020, 11:47
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Here's the shims, IIRC I got them from McMaster.......
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Ahhh, gotcha, that's not quite what I pictured. I was think something more fitting with the pocket for the c clip.

I have an arb, it might be tricky to to get shims in past the retaining ring thing . I think I may still have some extra various sized C clips from ARB, perhaps some wider ones.
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