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hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 11:54
I currently am selling my 1998. It's still getting me to work this week. I understand I am stepping into the renix world. I shot some photos and I'll list some details on it.

4x4 with powered everything and leather seats. Some stupid person came to look at it yesterday and messed with the distributor. So the motor runs a little rough and smokes a little bit. The lady told me it was not doing that until this person messed with it. It has been sitting for 8 months so it needs a tune up most definitely. Brakes need to be bled. I got in and she moved. Driver window does not go down. 143,000 miles. Picking it up for 500. Her husband is a mechanic and is going to bleed the brakes for me and replace the distributor and get it running the way it originally was. I'm not fully sure if 4x4 works. Its the transfer case with the full time on the road option. (which I didn't even know they had back then). I tried climbing a little hill in 2 wheel then in 4 wheel. But as I was doing that she ran out of gas. I'll post the pictures I have and when she emails me the photos I took with her camera (more detailed pictures) I will post them back here.

So, NAXJA, what do you think? School me if you want.
http://imgur.com/IJ8XO.jpg
http://imgur.com/cLHzq.jpg
http://imgur.com/OA63T.jpg
http://imgur.com/G7hA2.jpg
http://imgur.com/Krve2.jpg
http://imgur.com/WE9Jx.jpg

:roll:

snail
July 18th, 2010, 12:16
I really dig the color! :thumbup: Glad to see you're getting another one after hearing you're selling your current xj. Any future plans for this new one?

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 12:27
I love the color too! And come on! I have to get another Cherokee! Not quite sure. Is the non high output motor (177hp?) a big deal compared to the h.o motor? I think it has a 242 tcase so it is a non vacuum disconnect front axle? I'm really not sure where I am going to start with this one. Probably a good tune up then replace what stupid things need to be replaced. Tow points, armor, small lift, all terrains. Something to tackle the green trails when I go back to RC.

I do have a question about a switch in this xj. There is a transmission switch? I forgot what it said about it. But there is a little stock toggle switch for the trans. Any clue what this can be?

Cannot wait :D

Shorty
July 18th, 2010, 12:29
pick up a fan shroud and be prepared to flush the rust.... er coolant when you bring her home.

I've got the same seats in my '88-- love 'em!

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 12:34
Will add this to the list. Thank you. I never had leather seats before. They felt quite comfortable.

scottmcneal
July 18th, 2010, 12:34
pick up a fan shroud and be prepared to flush the rust.... er coolant when you bring her home.


Plus read up on the bottle and cap..I would change them too..Nice looking..Good luck..

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 13:01
I will look into this as well. Thank you. Should be getting better pictures in the email soon...

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 14:21
Nobody knows anything about that transmission switch?

Nevermind. Searched.
http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15617&highlight=transmission+switch

stephenspann27
July 18th, 2010, 14:39
does the A/C work? I see someone converted it to 134A. I don't run the 134A connectors on mine because they don't seal off the valve like the steel R12 valve caps do... look pretty darn rusty.. and I can see where oil has been blowing under it..
Also it looks like one of the heater hoses is way too long..

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 14:51
does the A/C work? I see someone converted it to 134A. I don't run the 134A connectors on mine because they don't seal off the valve like the steel R12 valve caps do... look pretty darn rusty.. and I can see where oil has been blowing under it..
Also it looks like one of the heater hoses is way too long..

The a/c wasn't cold. Not sure if I let it run enough. Thought I did though. Is that a major problem with the 134a and heater hose?
Here is the full size photo of the engine bay
http://imgur.com/PArlL.jpg

edit: I got my brother to finally dump his V8 ZJ and is picking up a silver Limited 2000 XJ

joe_peters
July 18th, 2010, 17:23
I would pay $500 for it just for parts.

Glenn B
July 18th, 2010, 17:40
if it runs good, passes inspection... hell of a deal. My XJ I had in NJ (99) was a rust bucket. That is why I did not bring it to New Mexico.

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 17:51
Yeah it is hard to find non rust buckets by the shore. There is some stupid surface rust. But I'm going to blast most of it away and rustoleom it.

sjx40250
July 18th, 2010, 17:52
The transmission switch changes the rpm where the transmission shifts. Lower MPG with it in power.

I would be prepared to replace the radiator if there is rust. Do a compression test too.
Check the EGR valve and clean up the TB and adjust the transmission downshift cable as well as adjust the TPS.
Also check the injectors for leakage if they are original. After all these years, they should be ready to fail!
The 242 is a find TC. I have one in each of mine.

Glenn B
July 18th, 2010, 17:57
Anywhere out there it is an issue.
Floorboards, rocker panels, check above the cat and exhaust. Hell, my cylinder head was way more rusty that yours in the pic... may be a good find. :thumbup:

Yeah it is hard to find non rust buckets by the shore. There is some stupid surface rust. But I'm going to blast most of it away and rustoleom it.

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 18:02
Excellent this is just what I wanted. Thank you. I'm going to get it home and power wash the shit out of it. Then I am going to do a tune up as well as check everything listed in this thread. Thanks a lot guys :)

Anywhere out there it is an issue.
Floorboards, rocker panels, check above the cat and exhaust. Hell, my cylinder head was way more rusty that yours in the pic... may be a good find. :thumbup:

Yeah the rockers look solid didn't check the floor boards. But from underneath I cannot see any rust from what I recall. Could be surface rust under the carpet. But if it does/doesn't it's still a good find.

Anybody have any info on the rims on this xj?

Shorty
July 18th, 2010, 18:37
my normal approach is to hit the dollar store on the way home. I'll blow ten bucks on oven cleaner and a pair of swimming goggles. Hit the chassis with two cans of cleaner (don't forget the goggles) and move up to the engine bay. Three cans in there (avoiding the throttle body and TPS) and hit her with the pressure washer.

between the engine heat from the trip home, and the oven cleaner, you will be able to see anything suspect after it dries.

This method only uses about 5 cans, so you will have 3-4 to hit the really nasty spots and clean up the places you missed. Save the goggles 'til you're done and throw them away, knowing you can buy 14 more pair before you have spent the same amount as one co-pay at the hospital.

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 18:58
I will be sure to do that as well. Excellent idea. So spray it on the ride home then when I get home power wash it all off? This is perfect. Many great tips and ideas in this thread. Thank you. Keep em coming if you got em :D

*I forgot also to ask about the smoke. I turned on the xj and it ran. It stuttered slightly in a way. The jeep looked like it was slightly rocking from side to side then it stopped doing that. It was also smoking from the tailpipe. And when I opened the hood there was a tiny bit of smoke coming from a spot in the engine (driver side of valve cover). The smoke really burned my eyes. I know smoke and eyes don't go together but this smoke really hurt my eyes. The lady said there was no smoke and it idled much smoother before this person messed with it yesterday.

Shorty
July 18th, 2010, 19:26
spray it either before you drive home (if it's not more than 10-15 minutes) or immediately after getting home. You don't want it to dry before you hose it off.

scottmcneal
July 18th, 2010, 19:31
When you get a chance you need to change the fuel filter..You ran it out of gas..How old was the gas in the tank, it may just need a good tank of gas an some cleaner to run throw it..

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 20:03
spray it either before you drive home (if it's not more than 10-15 minutes) or immediately after getting home. You don't want it to dry before you hose it off.
Okay It's a 45 minute trip so I will do it when I get home.

When you get a chance you need to change the fuel filter..You ran it out of gas..How old was the gas in the tank, it may just need a good tank of gas an some cleaner to run throw it..
The tank was empty and they put some gas in it for me to test drive it. And cleaner as in injector cleaner? Or fuel treatment stuff?

scottmcneal
July 18th, 2010, 20:08
injector cleaner,,Sorry..

hupo224
July 18th, 2010, 20:15
injector cleaner,,Sorry..
Quite alright :D

sjx40250
July 18th, 2010, 22:55
There are other threads to check out too. A long laundry list of things. I just hit the ones that came to mind. Good luck!

hupo224
July 19th, 2010, 04:07
Thanks, I have been checking them out.

hupo224
July 19th, 2010, 18:14
http://imgur.com/jE7Dm.jpghttp://imgur.com/GD5HG.jpg

More to come shortly (engine shots and shots of underneath..)


Also still, does anybody know what year range jeep had the rims on this one? And with the 242 TC there is no vacuum disconnect on the front axle correct? (for 4x4)

Shorty
July 19th, 2010, 18:34
rims-- dunno
vacuum disco-- not with 242 tc
needs wiper linkage bushings

more pics of the lovely ornament behind it in the second pic??:gag:

hupo224
July 19th, 2010, 18:44
http://imgur.com/KBJ4R.jpg


I was wondering why the wipers were having trouble moving...

Oh and the lovely ornament is "slimmed" because of the jeep...hahaha

Shorty
July 19th, 2010, 19:27
Oh and the lovely ornament is "slimmed" because of the jeep...hahaha

:rof: that's not very nice to say...:roflmao:

....we'll still enjoy some pics, though-- I'd think 5-90 would like 'em, none-the-less....

Shorty
July 19th, 2010, 19:30
as far as undercar shots and engine pics, take them from a foot or two farther away-- it'll allow the camera to focus better and show things in relation to other features.

back lighting will make everything look better and lighting from the sides will let true flaws show.

hupo224
July 19th, 2010, 20:01
:gag: :roll:

Some more photos here. And yeah I am a photographer. My mom was rushing me and I was using the lady's point and shoot to take a few quick snaps. Anyone know of that "Chrysler valet" thing to the left of the steering column?

http://imgur.com/1fQ1C.jpg
http://imgur.com/EtgwG.jpg
http://imgur.com/XRbaj.jpg
http://imgur.com/h4An1.jpg



Oh and I believe that is a d35 rear?

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 04:07
Well I hope you all like what you see. I most certainly do. I'm going to have much fun and I have a job so I can more properly keep up with this xj. Off to weed wack all day :P

kastein
July 20th, 2010, 08:37
Save the goggles 'til you're done and throw them away, knowing you can buy 14 more pair before you have spent the same amount as one co-pay at the hospital.
This is the truth.

I calculated it out and I can buy a 4 dollar full-face shield at harbor freight EVERY SINGLE DAY for the next 3.5 years before I even come close to the sum my insurance company ended up giving the hospital to get the metal out of my eye. And that's not even including the fact that I won't have to go through that kind of severe discomfort again because of it...

Wear your eye protection. You only have two of them, make them last.

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 13:33
This is the truth.

I calculated it out and I can buy a 4 dollar full-face shield at harbor freight EVERY SINGLE DAY for the next 3.5 years before I even come close to the sum my insurance company ended up giving the hospital to get the metal out of my eye. And that's not even including the fact that I won't have to go through that kind of severe discomfort again because of it...

Wear your eye protection. You only have two of them, make them last.
Will most certainly wear eye protection. I got goggles for work. But I'd rather mess up a few 1 dollar pairs.

billulsund
July 20th, 2010, 14:06
Nice Jeep. I have the exact same one, but in dark blue and with a laundry list of modifications. The full-time 4 wheel drive option is nice cause you can use it on the streets. If it has ABS (check for wires going to the brakes) then I believe it will also have larger u-joints. It is also a non-disconnect Dana 30 which is good. Less power than a HO, I believe the difference is like 20hp, but I have never felt underpowered in mine. Probably a Dana 35 rear, but I cant tell without a clear picture of the diff cover. After looking at your pictures I am glad mine has lived its whole life on the west coast cause it has 220,000 miles and a lot less rust. A good deal for $500.

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 14:11
I plan to spray oven cleaner on all the rust, unibody, engine trans and tcase. Then maybe black rustoleum on the surface rust? I'm figuring it has a dana35. I'm not sure if its a factory hitch. If it is I think it would be an 8.25? I think there used to be a remote too because of the "Chrysler valet" thing to the left of the steering column.

What mods have you done?

kastein
July 20th, 2010, 14:13
They didn't use the 8.25 in XJs till 91 or 92 iirc. It's almost certainly a 35.

Also, if it has ABS (it does not appear to, I don't see the sensor lines next to the rear brake line) you need to rip it all out and toss it before it kills you.

billulsund
July 20th, 2010, 14:23
All XJs with the towing package from 1987 -1989 came with a Dana 44, all others that year had a Dana 35. The only good thing about the Dana 35 from that year is that it should be a non c-clip axle. If it is a 35 the diff cover will look pretty much round. A 44 will have more angles to it. Here is a good link to help you detemine what rear end you have http://www.g-body.org/tnt/diffs/diff-housings.php.

X2 to what was said above about the ABS. If you have it tear out the lines and remove the ABS fuse. Ideally I would reccomend replacing the whole break system with a WJ booster and master cylinder (look for writeups on it). I plan to do that eventually but my jeep is not my daily driver so I am still using my crippled ABS system for now. If it did come with ABS I would not be surprised if someone already tore it out.

kastein
July 20th, 2010, 14:24
All XJs with the towing package from 1987 -1989 came with a Dana 44, all others that year had a Dana 35. The only good thing about the Dana 35 from that year is that it should be a non c-clip axle. If it is a 35 the diff cover will look pretty much round. A 44 will have more angles to it. Here is a good link to help you detemine what rear end you have http://www.g-body.org/tnt/diffs/diff-housings.php.

X2 to what was said above about the ABS. If you have it tear out the lines and remove the ABS fuse. Ideally I would reccomend replacing the whole break system with a WJ booster and master cylinder (look for writeups on it). I plan to do that eventually but my jeep is not my daily driver so I am still using my crippled ABS system for now. If it did come with ABS I would not be surprised if someone already tore it out.
On anything 91 and older you MUST remove the whole system and replace it with a new booster, master, etc etc - the Bendix ABS system has been known to *ahem* fail at inopportune times. Not being an arse here, just don't want you guys wadding your XJs up and getting injured...

http://www.naxja.org/html/techarticles/uninstall_OEM_ABS.htm

scottmcneal
July 20th, 2010, 14:35
All XJs with the towing package from 1987 -1989 came with a Dana 44, all others that year had a Dana 35.


I have to say your wrong on this..My 89 has the factory towing package with 373 gears in it..I had a D35..I think my build date was like 3/1989..I am the second owner..

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 14:44
So if it has abs, rip it out. Well that's easy as I personally don't like abs. Maybe there is a 44 under there? If not the 35 won't be under there for too long.

Shorty
July 20th, 2010, 19:08
Maybe there is a 44 under there? If not the 35 won't be under there for too long.


bottom of D35 visible under the picture of the hitch:gonnablow

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 19:30
bottom of D35 visible under the picture of the hitch:gonnablow
BAD d35 BAD :explosion

Shorty
July 20th, 2010, 19:44
a man (and his Jeep) must know their limitations-- heck, it can't be THAT bad-- it's lasted 143,000 miles. A D35 is adequate for daily use for a long time as long as you understand that you can't abuse it and expect it to last.

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 20:01
a man (and his Jeep) must know their limitations-- heck, it can't be THAT bad-- it's lasted 143,000 miles. A D35 is adequate for daily use for a long time as long as you understand that you can't abuse it and expect it to last.
Quite true. I never had a jeep with a d35. My current xj has a nice 8.25 :)

scottmcneal
July 20th, 2010, 20:06
This is how you break a D35..She took a bounce and came down on 1 rear tire..POP goes the spyders..33's with 12 lbs of air..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/phaeton05/OHchit.jpg

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 20:07
Freaking crap. Now I'm torn between 2 Cherokees. This kid from 2 hours away in nj is offering me a trade for his 91 xj. No problems with it and I can drive it home no problem. He wanted 1500 but would take a straight up trade. pics:

http://imgur.com/8SPU0.jpg
http://imgur.com/jXwXk.jpg
http://imgur.com/qhBiO.jpg
http://imgur.com/aCgyA.jpg
http://imgur.com/oZbGj.jpg

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 20:08
This is how you break a D35..She took a bounce and came down on 1 rear tire..POP goes the spyders..33's with 12 lbs of air..
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/phaeton05/OHchit.jpg
A beautiful and hurtful site <3

Shorty
July 20th, 2010, 20:13
I'm partial to the Renix-- they seem to have thicker body panels (at least the roof) and in my experience, are much more solidly assembled. The '91 looks like a low level "SE" model with more miles on it.

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 20:24
Yeah the sport looks way more bare than the limited. Balance between h.o and non h.o. I didn't really get to drive fast with the 89 being I drove it around a firestation. I'd have to find a way to swap jeeps with this 2 hour trip (burgundy sport) compared to the simpler 45 minute drive for the limited.

Trans seal leaks on my xj that's why I can't go too far.
slfslkdjfo

hupo224
July 20th, 2010, 20:35
I'm probably going to stick with the 89 renix. I like the color and the fact it's a fully loaded limited. Plus 40k less miles and less of a trip for me.

hupo224
July 21st, 2010, 13:16
I'm pissed. I got out of a long day of work and called the lady. She said her boyfriend looked over the xj today and determined (some how) that it needs a head gasket. And that he will do it by this weekend. I don't know what to do. This kid wants to buy my xj today.

Maybe I'll just get that burgundy 91

kastein
July 21st, 2010, 13:55
My vote is keep what you got and fix it, actually.

joe_peters
July 21st, 2010, 14:05
My vote is keep what you got and fix it, actually.

x2, with Kastein on this.

hupo224
July 21st, 2010, 14:08
It's going today...

billulsund
July 21st, 2010, 14:30
I have to say your wrong on this..My 89 has the factory towing package with 373 gears in it..I had a D35..I think my build date was like 3/1989..I am the second owner..

You are correct, I misstyped. What I meant so say was that the Dana 44 was only available on XJs with the towing package from 1987-1989, but not every XJ with the towing package had the 44. As you know some with the towing package XJs did not have the Dana 44 but had 3.73 gearing.

billulsund
July 21st, 2010, 14:44
What mods have you done?

Missed this question earlier. My XJ came with 8" springs, long arms, 6" leafs with 2" blocks, 35" Cooper Discoverer STT tires, and custom lights and bumpers. Below is a list of mods I have done or that are in progress.

Scrapped D35 and put in a D44
Spooled rear end
Removed sway bars
Custom fabbed rock sliders
New winch
New heavy duty track bar
New shocks
New motor mounts
Longer brake lines
CB radio
On board air AC conversion
Currie HD steering
Lock right locker for the front
Steering Brace

I have also replaced most of the gaskets and seals and fixed some cosmetic damage and trail carnage. Pretty much the only thing left on my list of things I want to do is re-gear and get some chromies for my D30.

Good luck with your purchasing decision. If you want to do any of the mods I have done and have any questions, just shoot me a message.

hupo224
July 21st, 2010, 15:10
Sounds great. I just sold my Mosey. Picking up the 1991 today. Will be back :)

hupo224
July 21st, 2010, 20:13
Made it home safe. 2 hour drive home. Here are the problems

1. Fuel gauge don't work
2. Fuel pump wines
3. Speedometer/Odometer dont work
4. The rear axle (d35) would jerk for a second at random times. Especially when hitting bumps. I floored it and it jerked pretty bad. So bad the tachometer needle even jerked.

Other than that. New injectors, shocks, muffler, water pump and something else.