Saving Fuel with HHO?

I was looking around the internet on some articles on using Hydrogen or whats called Brown's gas to get better mileage. Its produced using electricity from the battery and introduced into the air intake. Something about causing the fuel to burn more quickly.

I was just wondering if anyone around here knows anything about this. Anyone actually tried it in a Jeep? Will the computer be messed up my this, or anything else?

SFW516 said:

I was looking around the internet on some articles on using Hydrogen or whats called Brown's gas to get better mileage. Its produced using electricity from the battery and introduced into the air intake. Something about causing the fuel to burn more quickly.

I was just wondering if anyone around here knows anything about this. Anyone actually tried it in a Jeep? Will the computer be messed up my this, or anything else?

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If that sounds real to you, then I say go for it, but the most brown gas I have ever seen was at a chili festival.

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if you have a corroborated engine then its worth it. a buddy of mine does this on his 50's chevy pickup and it works well. I did alot of research and it gets too complicated to do with these newer cars with ecus and s**t.

and it doesent replace gas it just kinda helps alittle. he gets an estimated 5-6MPG boost from it.

chedisme said:

if you have a corroborated engine then its worth it. a buddy of mine does this on his 50's chevy pickup and it works well. I did alot of research and it gets too complicated to do with these newer cars with ecus and s**t.

and it doesent replace gas it just kinda helps alittle. he gets an estimated 5-6MPG boost from it.

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there are a few threads on this subject... a few more in depth then others.
I believe GoodBourbon went pretty far with his trial of it.

I also know a guy who had good results on an early 90's camaro I think... obdI maybe round town was fine, long drives not so much. no idea why.

sounds good in theory, but so does cheese whiz... mmm cheez whiz.

it's a pretty ridiculous concept... especially all the bullshit science and crap they throw up. About the only thing it really does MAYBE is flash boil / turn a little tiny bit more of the heat in the cylinder after ignition into gas expansion. Find something less "designs and plans available for a moderate fee in the back pages of popular science" that will give you a better performance boost.

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I say buy a kit and report back to Naxja.

If everything was perfect and frictionless, it would take exactly as much energy to split the water molecules into H and O as you get from recombining them. Since we live in the real world, it takes more energy to split than you can possibly realize from combustion.

This is why hydrogen can never be seen as a fuel. At best, its a battery for storing the energy used to split it from some other molecule.

beakie said:

there are a few threads on this subject... a few more in depth then others.
I believe GoodBourbon went pretty far with his trial of it.

I also know a guy who had good results on an early 90's camaro I think... obdI maybe round town was fine, long drives not so much. no idea why.

sounds good in theory, but so does cheese whiz... mmm cheez whiz.

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The reason your friend is getting better milage around town, is that changing your driving style around town makes a HUGE difference in milage. On the other hand, 70 mph is 70 mph. driving style matters very little on the highway for a given speed.

He thinks his milage should be better, he drives as though he should get better milage, his milage improves. Cool huh?

bigdaddyjlove said:

If everything was perfect and frictionless, it would take exactly as much energy to split the water molecules into H and O as you get from recombining them. Since we live in the real world, it takes more energy to split than you can possibly realize from combustion.

This is why hydrogen can never be seen as a fuel. At best, its a battery for storing the energy used to split it from some other molecule.

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Before anyone flames me, I understand that this is bogus... I'm not trying to defend those who claim this increases economy, but at the same time I am not going to flame them either. If they think it helps them (even if it's just them changing their driving style), so be it, great for them.

Yes if everything was perfect it would take the same amount of energy to split the molecules as it would to re-combine them, and in a real world situation that is not the case. I will admit I have no clue what this system is doing, I didn't read the link. From your comment and the other posts I would assume that the system uses juice from your electrical system to split H20 molecules in the air into H and O.

Now in an closed system where no additional energy is added or a system that is using 100% of the available energy already then i can completely agree that this would be useless as it takes far more energy to split the molecules. However if you have an alternator capable of pushing say 100amps, and your system runs off 70amps.. you got some extra power to play with. You could put on more lights, or some sub woofers.. or you could try to split molecules. :dunno: If you can spend a bit more power that is available anyway (why not use it?) and increase your fuel economy even 1mpg, you are netting a positive gain. You are not burning more gas to make that extra energy... you are just using what is already there.

Well for all you doubters of the Brown's gas theory, you need to do a little research on the actual theory. There really is a lot of truth behind the Brown's gas theory, adn I have actually seen a 2003 Chevy Silverado duramax diesel, 4x4 crew car getting 28 MPG, on average. That is not your every day truck there. The gentleman who owned the truck was a kinda backyard scientist, in his 50's, and really had done a ton of research, and made hiw own HHO unit. He did not purchase the kit off ebay, they actually do work to a certain extent, on the older carb'd cars. The Cherokee and newer vehicles with engine management are differant, and do require some tweaking in the air/fuel ratio. What you are basically doing is supplying brown's gas, which is produced in the HHO converter, and supplying it into the intake to replace "part" of the fuel, not all of the fuel. Basically it is a hybrid. Hydrogen technology would really be the future of the car industyr, if they can make a full scale converter on a car. The reason you want a convertor instead of a a storage tank, is that hydrogen is too volitale, and being stored for fuel, would be crazy, but being produced on demand, that is the key to the future. I really like your thinking, adn I have several E books on the subject I would be more than happy to share, if you wanted to take the idea a lil further.

No, you DON'T have extra amps to play with. That alternator turns harder with every extra amp it has to generate, and that torque has to come from somewhere, namely, the crankshaft. That electricity isn't free.

H-H-O is the most potent chemical combination that I'm aware of. Gasoline and oxygen conceptually is still a chemical reaction, albeit at a lower energy. Okay, there is a difference in that it's fairly easy (energy expensive, though) to split H(2)0 back into hydrogen and oxygen, it's rather difficult to convert CO(2), etc., back into gasoline and oxygen.

I might concede that the electrolysis machine might help in fuel mileage if there's a catalytic effect due to the extra hydrogen in the airstream. I doubt that's the case.

I actually have an employee that's built a few of these systems from scratch. He swears he's had one installed and it's increased his mileage by 30%, and I've seen it create enough hydrogen here in the shop to make a nice loud "pop" when ignited, but that's when running full-bore off one of my big battery chargers.

Keep in mind though, this same fella doesn't think we landed on the moon, is certain the CIA killed Kennedy, is currently stockpilling ammo for the "big one" to come, and says some guys in dark suits stopped him from mass-producing his HHO generators. So there is a fairly good chance he is nuts!

advrider said:

I actually have an employee that's built a few of these systems from scratch. He swears he's had one installed and it's increased his mileage by 30%, and I've seen it create enough hydrogen here in the shop to make a nice loud "pop" when ignited, but that's when running full-bore off one of my big battery chargers.

Keep in mind though, this same fella doesn't think we landed on the moon, is certain the CIA killed Kennedy, is currently stockpilling ammo for the "big one" to come, and says some guys in dark suits stopped him from mass-producing his HHO generators. So there is a fairly good chance he is nuts!

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1. You can be paranoid and still have someone out to get you.

2. The friends of the Cuban Freedom Fighters that Kennedy deliberately let get slaughtered on the beach during the Bay of Pigs invasion killed him--with a little help from the CIA.

3. The "Big One" is coming--socialism/Obamaism or zombies--always be prepared.

4. No, they only thing stopping him from mass-producing his HHO generators is common sense, otherwise he would sell everything he owns, borrow every dime he could, and become an instant billionaire or die trying.

5. If you believe in HHO, then you should also buy magnets for your fuel lines, a Tornado for your intake, and yes, that guy in Nigeria really is on the level and his check will clear the bank.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roflmao: :laugh2: :roll: :wierd: :confused1 :looney: :spin1:

Of course, trying to talk "the believers" out of their fantasy is like trying to teach a pig to sing...

It is a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.

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Talked to a guy at the grocery store with a Kia Sportage. He said it gave him 10% better mileage.

joe_peters said:

1. You can be paranoid and still have someone out to get you.

2. The friends of the Cuban Freedom Fighters that Kennedy deliberately let get slaughtered on the beach during the Bay of Pigs invasion killed him--with a little help from the CIA.

3. The "Big One" is coming--socialism/Obamaism or zombies--always be prepared.

4. No, they only thing stopping him from mass-producing his HHO generators is common sense, otherwise he would sell everything he owns, borrow every dime he could, and become an instant billionaire or die trying.

5. If you believe in HHO, then you should also buy magnets for your fuel lines, a Tornado for your intake, and yes, that guy in Nigeria really is on the level and his check will clear the bank.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roflmao: :laugh2: :roll: :wierd: :confused1 :looney: :spin1:

Of course, trying to talk "the believers" out of their fantasy is like trying to teach a pig to sing...

It is a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.

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It does always amuse me how the same people get suckered by every crazy theory. My dad is a believer in: "magical carburetor that was covered up by the oil companies", "free energy from the vacuum", some mumbo jumbo about forcing toxins out of one's body, curing cancer, and solving world hunger using a few batteries and an LM555 timer set up as an oscillator, ethanol as an energy source, and one or two other things. At least he believes we landed on the moon, laughs at Nigerian bank officials (and baits them along for fun), and didn't vote for Obama though.

Thanks for all the replies guys, I had thought it was mostly hype. But I do think its an interesting idea nonetheless. Does anyone know how much power these brown's gas things use up? I've heard that they don't actually suck much power.

if you've got some time....here's a great thread from the explorer forums from aldive and his 'mileage monster'...the 30mpg explorer. he goes in depth and designs/tests multiple hho generators.

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217491