winkosmosis
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Did you read the article? Cows reduce nitrous oxide when they graze on GRASSLAND. Most cows in America are in stalls eating corn.
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The Final Straw on Climate Change Lies???
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Did you read the article? Cows reduce nitrous oxide when they graze on GRASSLAND. Most cows in America are in stalls eating corn.
winkosmosis
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By the way, it's a fact that carbon dioxide and the other greenhouse gases retain heat. You can test it in a jar in a lab under a lamp. Higher greenhouse gas = more heat retention. It's basic physics.
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....cause Owl Gores sed so....
winkosmosis
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No, because it's a physical property of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.... If greenhouse gases didn't work, the earth would be COLD, and so would Venus.
If you're really going to argue with that, you might as well try to argue that different air densities at different elevations doesn't affect engine performance, or that wearing more clothes doesn't cause you to feel warmer. These are basic physical properties of chemicals.
If you're really going to argue with that, you might as well try to argue that different air densities at different elevations doesn't affect engine performance, or that wearing more clothes doesn't cause you to feel warmer. These are basic physical properties of chemicals.
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Not hardly.
Per Wiki at the end of 1997 there were 99,550,000 of which the vast majority are on open range/pastures--not feed lots or dairies.
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joe_peters
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And therein lies the flaw in the slaw--Mother Nature is not in a lab in a jar.
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I ate lots of refried beans last night, yet my bedroom was chilly this morning............
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it was chilly cause nats got the hell out of there!
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Problem is, it was determined over a year ago that greenhouse gasses have no effect on global warming. The increase in surface temperature of the planet, which will be only mildly affected, will have inconsequential effects on the internal temperature.
Now, given that fact, the only effect of greenhouse gasses is to produce a greenhouse effect in our atmosphere. The effect of a greenhouse is to produce an environment where plant life can flourish. So, explain to me again why eco-freaks want to save the trees but stop the production of greenhouse gasses? =D Sad fact is, if you want to save the trees to clean the greenhouse gasses, then greenhouse gasses need to be produced to enrich the plant life so that they can, in turn, reduce those very gasses. Ah crap, we're right back in another natural cycle again, huh? hasta
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http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05...e-the-origins-and-response-to-climate-change/
"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable. In the peer-reviewed literature we’re finding hundreds of factors influence global temperature, everything from ocean cycles to the tilt of the earth’s axis to water vapor, methane, cloud feedback, volcanic dust — all of these factors influence climate as well as CO2.
New studies are countering the simple story we’ve been told of our SUVs creating a dangerously warm planet. In the proceedings of the National Academy of Science, there was a study blaming Chinese coal use for the lack of global warming. So, in an ironic twist, global warming proponents are now claiming that that coal use is saving us from dangerous global warming"
Well, that's a shocker........I say that every global warming related regulation and legislation be reversed, due to the fact that it is all based on bad data and bogus speculation.
Yup, that's what I do for fun on a Saturday night with a head cold.....read climatology reports and update old
threads.
"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable. In the peer-reviewed literature we’re finding hundreds of factors influence global temperature, everything from ocean cycles to the tilt of the earth’s axis to water vapor, methane, cloud feedback, volcanic dust — all of these factors influence climate as well as CO2.
New studies are countering the simple story we’ve been told of our SUVs creating a dangerously warm planet. In the proceedings of the National Academy of Science, there was a study blaming Chinese coal use for the lack of global warming. So, in an ironic twist, global warming proponents are now claiming that that coal use is saving us from dangerous global warming"
Well, that's a shocker........I say that every global warming related regulation and legislation be reversed, due to the fact that it is all based on bad data and bogus speculation.
Yup, that's what I do for fun on a Saturday night with a head cold.....read climatology reports and update old
threads.
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joe_peters
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Yep.
All this time, ever since the first "Earth Day" in 1972, the screaming morons have been losing their tiny little minds over the evil humans destroying the earth. Funny how NONE of their moronic predictions have come true, how all of their TAXPAYER-FUNDED climate models are FAILURES, and the only way they can "prove" their models is to lie, deceive, cheat, and manipulate climate data!
And yet, the "true believers" remain ZEALOTS to the core.
I pity the fools.
All this time, ever since the first "Earth Day" in 1972, the screaming morons have been losing their tiny little minds over the evil humans destroying the earth. Funny how NONE of their moronic predictions have come true, how all of their TAXPAYER-FUNDED climate models are FAILURES, and the only way they can "prove" their models is to lie, deceive, cheat, and manipulate climate data!
And yet, the "true believers" remain ZEALOTS to the core.
I pity the fools.
hawkeye 1
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Arctic Ocean Predicted To Be Ice Free By 2013 — Oops!
Junk Science: Earth has gained 19,000 Manhattans of sea ice since this date last year, the largest increase on record. There is more sea ice now than there was in mid-September 1990. Al Gore, move away from the dinner table and call your office.
A 2007 prediction that summer in the North Pole could be "ice-free by 2013" that was cited by former Vice President Al Gore in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech has proven to be off . .. by 920,000 square miles. But then Democrats have never been good at math — or climate science. In his Dec. 10, 2007, "Earth has a fever" speech, Gore referred to a prediction by U.S. climate scientist Wieslaw Maslowski that the Arctic's summer ice could "completely disappear" by 2013 due to global warming caused by carbon emissions as the seas rose to swallow up places like the island of Manhattan.
The inconvenient truth is that planet Earth now has the equivalent of 330,000 Manhattans of Arctic ice, Steve Goddard notes in the blog Real Science. Even before the annual autumn re-freeze was scheduled to begin, he says, NASA satellite images showed an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretched from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores. No polar bears were seen drowning.
As the Daily Mail reports, "A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year — an increase of 60%." The much-touted Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific froze up and has remained blocked by pack ice all year. More than 20 yachts that had planned to sail it have been left ice-bound and a cruise ship attempting the route was forced to turn back.
This is a far cry from those iconic pictures, taken at a low point one particularly balmy Arctic summer, of polar bears clinging to slivers of pack ice lest they drown. The bears, who can swim up to 200 miles, and whose numbers are increasing, are doing fine, much better than a U.S. economy, which is under relentless assault by a needless war on fossil fuels, particularly coal, all in a futile effort to head off nonexistent climate change.
This summer was supposed to bring an ice-free Arctic with not so much as an ice cube for Santa to land on. Oh, and the Himalayan glaciers were supposed to disappear, according to computer models that have so far been unable to forecast either the past or the weather for the weekend barbecue.
"We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped," Professor Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin told the Daily Mail.
A recent study by German researchers Hans von Storch, Armineh Barkhordarian, Klaus Hasselmann and Eduardo Zorita of the Institute for Coastal Research and the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology found that claims of all 65 climate-model computers used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to predict the future impact of carbon dioxide on climate had failed to foresee this lack of temperature rise.
Climate is affected by an infinite number of variables. Their relative importance and the complexity of their interactions are not fully understood. Put too much weight on one and not enough on the other, and you have the computer phenomenon known as GIGO — garbage in, garbage out.
U.S. climate expert Judith Curry suggests computer models place too much emphasis on current CO2 levels and not enough on long-term cycles in ocean temperature that have a huge influence on climate and suggest we may be approaching a period similar to 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear cooling trend.
Warm-mongers such as Gore still say it's a question of when and not if. They may be walking on thin ice, but the polar bears are not. Maybe it’s time to bring Al Gore back to the deliberation table, but then maybe that’s not such a good idea after all. We all know what happens when Al Gore sits down at a table - any table.
Junk Science: Earth has gained 19,000 Manhattans of sea ice since this date last year, the largest increase on record. There is more sea ice now than there was in mid-September 1990. Al Gore, move away from the dinner table and call your office.
A 2007 prediction that summer in the North Pole could be "ice-free by 2013" that was cited by former Vice President Al Gore in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech has proven to be off . .. by 920,000 square miles. But then Democrats have never been good at math — or climate science. In his Dec. 10, 2007, "Earth has a fever" speech, Gore referred to a prediction by U.S. climate scientist Wieslaw Maslowski that the Arctic's summer ice could "completely disappear" by 2013 due to global warming caused by carbon emissions as the seas rose to swallow up places like the island of Manhattan.
The inconvenient truth is that planet Earth now has the equivalent of 330,000 Manhattans of Arctic ice, Steve Goddard notes in the blog Real Science. Even before the annual autumn re-freeze was scheduled to begin, he says, NASA satellite images showed an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretched from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores. No polar bears were seen drowning.
As the Daily Mail reports, "A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year — an increase of 60%." The much-touted Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific froze up and has remained blocked by pack ice all year. More than 20 yachts that had planned to sail it have been left ice-bound and a cruise ship attempting the route was forced to turn back.
This is a far cry from those iconic pictures, taken at a low point one particularly balmy Arctic summer, of polar bears clinging to slivers of pack ice lest they drown. The bears, who can swim up to 200 miles, and whose numbers are increasing, are doing fine, much better than a U.S. economy, which is under relentless assault by a needless war on fossil fuels, particularly coal, all in a futile effort to head off nonexistent climate change.
This summer was supposed to bring an ice-free Arctic with not so much as an ice cube for Santa to land on. Oh, and the Himalayan glaciers were supposed to disappear, according to computer models that have so far been unable to forecast either the past or the weather for the weekend barbecue.
"We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped," Professor Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin told the Daily Mail.
A recent study by German researchers Hans von Storch, Armineh Barkhordarian, Klaus Hasselmann and Eduardo Zorita of the Institute for Coastal Research and the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology found that claims of all 65 climate-model computers used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to predict the future impact of carbon dioxide on climate had failed to foresee this lack of temperature rise.
Climate is affected by an infinite number of variables. Their relative importance and the complexity of their interactions are not fully understood. Put too much weight on one and not enough on the other, and you have the computer phenomenon known as GIGO — garbage in, garbage out.
U.S. climate expert Judith Curry suggests computer models place too much emphasis on current CO2 levels and not enough on long-term cycles in ocean temperature that have a huge influence on climate and suggest we may be approaching a period similar to 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear cooling trend.
Warm-mongers such as Gore still say it's a question of when and not if. They may be walking on thin ice, but the polar bears are not. Maybe it’s time to bring Al Gore back to the deliberation table, but then maybe that’s not such a good idea after all. We all know what happens when Al Gore sits down at a table - any table.
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Global Warming = Garbage In, Garbage Out.
SOCIALISTS = Garbage In, Garbage Out.
All "greens" are watermelons--"green" on the outside, all RED on the inside.
SOCIALISTS = Garbage In, Garbage Out.
All "greens" are watermelons--"green" on the outside, all RED on the inside.
Rod Knee
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[FONT="]Here is a partial list of organizations that, according to NASA (http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus), have made position statements favoring the interpretation that human activity has and is impacting the climate. NASA also states that 97% of all climatologists are part of this consensus. Of course, none of these groups are nearly as smart as Joe Peters.
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[FONT="]American Association for the Advancement of Science[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Chemical Society[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Geophysical Union[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Medical Association[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Meteorological Society[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Physical Society[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Geological Society of America[/FONT]
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[FONT="]"U.S. National Academy of Sciences[/FONT][FONT="] NSIDC research scientist Julienne Stroeve said this year’s summer was cooler than the last several summers and that helped to slow the melting. Stroeve said, "Despite the lower temperatures, ice extent still fell well below the long-term average. That’s consistent with the Arctic’s ice cover being thinner than it was a few decades ago.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]Arctic sea ice has long been recognized as a sensitive climate indicator. The region’s sea ice extent—defined by NSIDC as the total area covered by at least 15 percent of ice—has shown a dramatic overall decline over the past thirty years.[/FONT]
[FONT="]“No single year’s turnaround can erase that,” said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. “Let’s not lose sight of the fact that 2013 is a very low extent year, despite the increase from last September.”"[/FONT]
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[FONT="]American Association for the Advancement of Science[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Chemical Society[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Geophysical Union[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Medical Association[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Meteorological Society[/FONT]
[FONT="]American Physical Society[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Geological Society of America[/FONT]
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[FONT="]From the National Snow and Ice Data Center[/FONT]
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[FONT="]http://nsidc.org/news/press/2013_arcticseaiceminimum_PR.html[/FONT]
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[FONT="]"U.S. National Academy of Sciences[/FONT][FONT="] NSIDC research scientist Julienne Stroeve said this year’s summer was cooler than the last several summers and that helped to slow the melting. Stroeve said, "Despite the lower temperatures, ice extent still fell well below the long-term average. That’s consistent with the Arctic’s ice cover being thinner than it was a few decades ago.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]Arctic sea ice has long been recognized as a sensitive climate indicator. The region’s sea ice extent—defined by NSIDC as the total area covered by at least 15 percent of ice—has shown a dramatic overall decline over the past thirty years.[/FONT]
[FONT="]“No single year’s turnaround can erase that,” said NSIDC lead scientist Ted Scambos. “Let’s not lose sight of the fact that 2013 is a very low extent year, despite the increase from last September.”"[/FONT]
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Rod Knee
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BTW, as I have said before I agree with what is expressed in this statement from hawkeye's post: Climate is affected by an infinite number of variables. Their relative importance and the complexity of their interactions are not fully understood.
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Rod Knee
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I have no evidence for what I have claimed other than the barely relevant factoid that I like Joe, but that should not stop anyone from quoting me.
joe_peters
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Rod Knee, in his heart, knows that I am every bit as smart as he knows I think I am. 
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Follow the $$$$$$$$ to find the fraud and abuse.
American Association for the Advancement of Science
http://membercentral.aaas.org/speakup
American Chemical Society
http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/enable/stfunding.html
American Medical Association
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rgFSngEwxg
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...octors-four-other-procedures-medical-journals
American Meteorological Society
http://principia-scientific.org/lat...-fail-real-evidence-slays-carbon-science.html
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/...-journal-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons/
American Physical Society
This one is epic........
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...scientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/
The Geological Society of America
http://www.geosociety.org/geopolicy/news/2013/1305budgetFY13-14.htm
On a related side note, the State Science Institute has declared Reardon Metals unsafe.........