Just watch the repercussions of the Tucson shooting

[XJEEPER]

Wow, look at the two of you... working as a tag team. The spirit of cooperation might be dead in the senate, but it's nice to see you two lovebirds keeping the fire burning nice and strong.
Anyways, not to worry, I have five carefully thought-out ideas that might help reduce gun crimes caused by mentally unstable individuals:

1) Time machines.

2) You have to meet certain criteria before you're allowed many of life's privileges. You need to pass a test to get your driver's license, you need to take an SAT to assess your readiness for college, heck you even need to be a certain age to buy smokes, booze, or porn mags. Our lives are intruded upon continually to validate our claim to such privileges. By the same reasoning, maybe a gun license should include a psych eval ...that's also renewable along with your gun license renewal. The process could be managed via some non-profit organization (like SATs), and I'm sure the evaluation could be drafted into a quick, minimally intrusive format. It wouldn't eliminate all mentally related gun crimes, but it might just put a dent in them.

3) If that idea doesn't appeal to you than you may like this one. From now on all guns will be sold permanently welded onto cars. It's hard to pull a gun into a crowd when it's welded to a car, and it's easy to spot a nutjob coming at you with their car/gun..... it's kinda similar to the movie near and dear to many of your tiny little hearts - Death Race 3000.

4) Those who found the afore mentioned movie, Death Race 3000, mentally stimulating can't have a gun.

5) If you didn't like any of my previous ideas than you can always use that time machine I mentioned earlier to go back, and remind yourselves not to read my comments. It will save you he drama of feeling humiliated by yours truly. And oh yeah, don't forget to kill John Conner while you're at it.

:laugh2:

 

[iwannadie]

I think people forget that the criminals out using guns to commit crimes would still get their guns regardless of laws saying they can't.

If a mental evaluation were in place, that guy still could have bought an illegal gun and accomplished the same exact thing.

The huge number of firearms in existence would make it impossible to remove them all or account for them all. Firearms are also not overly complicated and could be made by criminals. "Raw" ar15 lowers are available and are treated as a non-firearms because they are not fully machined. Someone with the right know how could crank out firearms with readily available legal to own parts. I won't even mention the ways people are replacing firing pins with 9v batteries.

So, are we going to require an evaluation to be allowed to buy bits and pieces of metal? Or, we would have to change all the laws that define what a firearm actually is and includes.

 

[Jeepman401]

Wow, look at the two of you... working as a tag team. The spirit of cooperation might be dead in the senate, but it's nice to see you two lovebirds keeping the fire burning nice and strong.
Anyways, not to worry, I have five carefully thought-out ideas that might help reduce gun crimes caused by mentally unstable individuals:

I cant speak for Milford, but I happen to enjoy debating issues like this. They say laughter is good for you, and thanks to you, I should be able to live quite some time. :cheers:

2) You have to meet certain criteria before you're allowed many of life's privileges. You need to pass a test to get your driver's license, you need to take an SAT to assess your readiness for college, heck you even need to be a certain age to buy smokes, booze, or porn mags. Our lives are intruded upon continually to validate our claim to such privileges. By the same reasoning, maybe a gun license should include a psych eval ...that's also renewable along with your gun license renewal. The process could be managed via some non-profit organization (like SATs), and I'm sure the evaluation could be drafted into a quick, minimally intrusive format. It wouldn't eliminate all mentally related gun crimes, but it might just put a dent in them.

I cant speak for other people in other states, but in CT, in order to get your ccw permit, you need to pass the NRA basic pistol course.
The course has a test, but that doesn't solely determine pass/fail. As a NRA instructor, I grade them on knowledge, skills, and Attitude. More than once I have handed someone their money back and told them to leave because I did not find them fit to have their ccw permit. Maybe that's not enough for you, but its something.
I feel safer with that than some screening that a politician thinks up that you can be guaranteed almost nobody will be able to pass. It would probably go something like this.
Question 1- do you masturbate?
yes- subject is a sexual deviant and cant be trusted with a gun
No- subject is a liar and can not be trusted with a gun

As for having a nonprofit group do it like the SAT's, I'm sure the brady campaign would be happy to do it.

If you could come up with a reasonable way of doing it, a psych eval could be a good thing, but that's the hitch, there is no good way of doing it. Consider this- Mental illness can set in for any number of reasons at any time. Should we screen everyone with a gun every week? maybe you should make that daily just to be safe.

5) If you didn't like any of my previous ideas than you can always use that time machine I mentioned earlier to go back, and remind yourselves not to read my comments. It will save you he drama of feeling humiliated by yours truly. And oh yeah, don't forget to kill John Conner while you're at it.

Don't worry, I dont feel humiliated by your imaginary superior outlook.

 

[kastein]

I think people forget that the criminals out using guns to commit crimes would still get their guns regardless of laws saying they can't.

If a mental evaluation were in place, that guy still could have bought an illegal gun and accomplished the same exact thing.

The huge number of firearms in existence would make it impossible to remove them all or account for them all. Firearms are also not overly complicated and could be made by criminals. "Raw" ar15 lowers are available and are treated as a non-firearms because they are not fully machined. Someone with the right know how could crank out firearms with readily available legal to own parts. I won't even mention the ways people are replacing firing pins with 9v batteries.

So, are we going to require an evaluation to be allowed to buy bits and pieces of metal? Or, we would have to change all the laws that define what a firearm actually is and includes.

To say nothing of the fact that I can build a serviceable 12 gauge shotgun with $20 in 30min after hitting the home depot plumbing aisle... or a decent one with a $50 budget at the same store.

 

[Metal Head]

The fact is no amount of law is going to stop random acts of senseless violence. A gun can sit on a table for years and not kill anyone, it takes the wrong person to pick it up and kill. You can pass all the laws and bans you want, like someone said, you really think the criminals are going to abide by them? Look at Mexico, 30,000 deaths because no citizens down there are allowed to have guns. The drug cartels are slaughtering people in record amounts. The solution is to put the guns in the hands of good people, allow them at least the dignity of dying while fighting back instead of begging on their knees. Personal safety starts with YOU, I will NEVER give up my guns.

It's a fact of life there are good and bad people in the world. Kudos to the father of the 9 year old girl who said not to take his personal tragedy as a means to take away more of our freedoms. That is the true definition of patriotism.

 

[iwannadie]

To say nothing of the fact that I can build a serviceable 12 gauge shotgun with $20 in 30min after hitting the home depot plumbing aisle... or a decent one with a $50 budget at the same store.

We clearly need to pass a metal fitness test before being allowed to enter home depot.

 

[Jeepman401]

We clearly need to pass a metal fitness test before being allowed to enter home depot.

Just ban all home improvement stores.
Better add walmart to that list too
and don't forget the grocery stores
and ...

 

[mcantar18c]

I think people forget that the criminals out using guns to commit crimes would still get their guns regardless of laws saying they can't.

Not to mention legal Private Party deals. All of these laws the libtards like to spit out only apply to FFA purchases.

To say nothing of the fact that I can build a serviceable 12 gauge shotgun with $20 in 30min after hitting the home depot plumbing aisle... or a decent one with a $50 budget at the same store.

X10, I was about to post up the exact same thing. Hell, don't even need to run to home depot if you have normal stuff in your house like toaster ovens, water heaters, fridges/freezers, thermostats, cleaning supplies, etc. When the zombies take over, my firearms and explosives are coming from everyday household items while you all fight over the ones in the gun store.

 

[Boatwrench]

We clearly need to pass a metal fitness test before being allowed to enter home depot.

or before joining .

Reality check to all members. Guns are not going away.

So those that are anti-gun save your breath, the government may get the inclination to confiscate guns but the reality is they do not have the means to successfully accomplish this task without reliving the early 1860s.

Those that are frothing over Sen Feinstein place your passion somewhere else. Just like most of the doom and gloom prophicies from your cult leader Rush, they rarely come true.

The sun came up this morning and it will tomorrow also just as it has since the beginning of time.

 

[87manche]

To say nothing of the fact that I can build a serviceable 12 gauge shotgun with $20 in 30min after hitting the home depot plumbing aisle... or a decent one with a $50 budget at the same store.

Phil Luty FTW.


google it.

 

[Jeepman401]

or before joining .

Reality check to all members. Guns are not going away.

Believe me, I know they will never go away.
But gun control laws limit us by restricting what we can own, and driving up prices, making the sport get more and more expensive by the year.
I would think that being from California, you would understand the restrictions that have already gotten through.

Look at it another way. These laws are driving manufacturers to shut down, or to move. At one point, the state of Connecticut produced a good portion of the guns made in the US. While there are still some companies here, most have shut down. Now we have empty factories, fewer employers, and a smaller tax base, mainly due to anti-gun laws.

 

[87manche]

Believe me, I know they will never go away.
But gun control laws limit us by restricting what we can own, and driving up prices, making the sport get more and more expensive by the year.
I would think that being from California, you would understand the restrictions that have already gotten through.

Look at it another way. These laws are driving manufacturers to shut down, or to move. At one point, the state of Connecticut produced a good portion of the guns made in the US. While there are still some companies here, most have shut down. Now we have empty factories, fewer employers, and a smaller tax base, mainly due to anti-gun laws.

If you think guns are the root of this issue you are mistaken. They've lost tat fight.


Ammo however.....

Lets see,
proposed micro serial numbers- Tremendous cost
Unobtanium bullets that are better for the EPA- Tremendous cost
California style Ammo buying restrictions- How do I shoot when I can only buy 50 rds a month?

heller closed the book on traditional gun control, California has taken the lead on the new gun control, make it so expensive or inconvenient that people just don't bother. Turning our apathetic ways against us.

Thank goodness I reload.

 

[Jeepman401]

Its all part of the same issue. Ammo control is part of gun control. So are mag restrictions, feature restrictions, caliber restrictions.

As for California's buying restriction, that's how they will get us.I rarely go to the range and shoot less than 50 rounds, and I average around 100 rounds every sunday. When I teach a course, I usually go through a minimum of 500 rounds. With a 50 round a month limit, that would kill most of my shooting. Even if I saved it all for teaching, that would give me 5 rounds a student, or one course every 10 months, and no shooting for myself.

 

[87manche]

Its all part of the same issue. Ammo control is part of gun control. So are mag restrictions, feature restrictions, caliber restrictions.

As for California's buying restriction, that's how they will get us.I rarely go to the range and shoot less than 50 rounds, and I average around 100 rounds every sunday. When I teach a course, I usually go through a minimum of 500 rounds. With a 50 round a month limit, that would kill most of my shooting. Even if I saved it all for teaching, that would give me 5 rounds a student, or one course every 10 months, and no shooting for myself.

You couldn't save yours, transfer between citizens was made illegal. Only between a licensed retailer, and their state back round checked clerk and the person buying it.

The liberals don't see it as the same issue. To the anti-firearm agenda ammo is fair game, as the supreme court didn't specifically rule on it. SO until someone challenges these absurd ammo restrictions they will keep passing them.

Again, it doesn't do anything to the criminals. Do you think the gangs of California are going to have a problem sending a member across the stateline to buy a trunkfull of ammo and bring it back? probably not, and if he gets busted they'll send another. They're in business to be criminals, and all that legislation did was inconvenience them.

 

[Jeepman401]

Making things illegal for everyone is always the answer. Oh wait, how did prohibition go again?
Hell, I am no criminal, and I wouldn't think twice about crossing the state line to buy ammo.

On the bright side, I could shoot 50bmg for the same ammo budget as I have now. might as well make those 50 rounds count.

 

[XJEEPER]

Ain't it true.....the government can't outlaw the combustion engine powered auto, but they can force the cost of ownership and operation to skyrocket by screwing with our fuel sources and taxing our exhaust output, with their goal to make us all Prius-driving eco-worshipping zombies.

It's how they roll.....when unpopular legislation doesn't pass, make a lateral move to regulate though committee of appointment. EPA, FAA, FCC, BLM, DOHS.....the list goes on and on.

This tolerance of our leaderships bypassing of the Constitution needs to be stopped.

 

[Boatwrench]

Check your reference about California ammo restriction again. I asked a friend who is gun hobbyist and he said the whole law got tossed.

 

[casm]

Check your reference about California ammo restriction again. I asked a friend who is gun hobbyist and he said the whole law got tossed.

Not exactly. Only parts of it were struck down, parts of it can stand, and the decision is going to be (predictably) appealed.

 

[87manche]

Not exactly. Only parts of it were struck down, parts of it can stand, and the decision is going to be (predictably) appealed.

and it still doesn't affect the cities individual laws regarding ammo restriction.

those have to be challeneged separately.

 

[RichP]

I like basic simple and up front reasons for gun control, I look for such articles and try to save them, Came across this one on a search.
http://www.examiner.com/la-in-los-angeles/gun-control-who-benefits