Executive Experience

[buschwhaked]

I have yet to see where McCain's slogan is now Change....last I saw, its Reform*Prosperity*Peace

Did you count how many times McCain has said change in his speaches since Palin was nominated VP? He effectively eliminated the experience argument with her appointment, and after viewing polling data, he realized people want change more than experience.

I think for myself buddy, and again...I dont love McCain, but he's the lesser of the two evils (the other just might be the anti-christ).

Not an inflammatory statement at all. Got a reliable source or study on the issue?

You sound just like someone re-reading shit from the Obama camp. I'm really tired of reading/replying to you. I really thought long and hard about this, but you're quite possibly only the 2nd person I've met in the military who supports Obama (the other was a liberal ass Intel Major I worked with, who was from California). And NO...I wouldn't save any money with Obama's plan. Just so you know, the upper 50% of wage earners in this country pay 100% of the taxes. The bottom 50% either pay no taxes, or get refunds for more than what they paid in!!! Obama wants to tax every one of them even more. McCain's tax plan would reduce my taxes.

Go to the tax policy center and read their studies on the various tax plans. You might learn something based in fact and not emotion. And drive around an Army post, you'll see a lot of Obama supporters. They did exit polling on the Army during the primaries and military voters either went with Obama or Ron Paul.

Regardless of what Obama's plan might be, budgets and decisions on healthcare will be pushed through by Congress. If a Democrat controlled Congress pushes through legislation, Obama will sign off on it. McCain, well, at least you have a 50/50 chance.

Oh, so the President has nothing to do with the writing of laws huh? I seem to remember this guy named George W Bush, he had a lot to do with writing laws. Or, for that matter, disregarding them altogether.

I just read Obama's healthcare plan - right off the bat - "everyone gets healthcare/National Healthcare" - Socialism. One thing that I think either candidate fails to address is limiting the amount of money that people can sue a doctor for, for malpractice. When I hear someone getting $400 million for "pain and suffering", because they were a 400 pound fatass who probably shouldn't have undergone the surgery to begin with - it makes me sick. The reason healthcare is so expensive in this country is because malpractice insurance is sky high.

Here is a brief description of his healthcare plan directly from his website. Basically, he'd open up a TriCare like system for the public to purchase. BTW, if you purchase something, it's not free. Just incase that wasn't clear.

"Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

And Bush pushed through legislation that has limited payments on malpractice suits...a few years ago. It's had a major impact as you can tell....

Oh...and yeah, lets give every idiot in this country cheap/free healthcare. You'll see emergency rooms overflowing with every hypochondriac out there constantly thinking there is something wrong with them.

You're obviously not aware of the problem as it stands right now. With both parents working in a hospital and I did before I came in the Army, I've seen it first hand. People are already using ER's as their primary care physicians which drives up costs and overwhelms the ER's. See, since DR's took an oath called the Hippocratic Oath, they can't refuse care at an emergency room. So, insurance or not, they have to see the patients that walk in the door. It is far more cost effective for a person to see a DR regularly and have preventive care applied than treat the problem after the fact. Cholesterol medicine will always be a lot cheaper than a heart attack. Step outside your world for a minute, it might suprise you.

It just floors me that you're in the military...

And the fact that you're in the AF just reinforces my opinion about the current attitude of your branch. Rambo with a wrench.

 

[buschwhaked]

Regarding voting....

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

So you basically think that any republican would = 4 years of the same. Or we could go with Obama, who doesn't have a mind of his own and just votes with his party every time.

I tell every Obama supporter I see to stop and think for themselves for once....

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-voted-with-bush-90-uh-95-of-time.html

The website name is funny, but it actually has good references - anyway...more reading on who thinks for themselves...Biden and Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaama both vote "with party" 96%+ of the time....

Sheep....

Man, you cited a blog! Really. Nevertheless, the statistics are right. But that statement isn't about who voted with their party more, but who supported Bush more. Because, whether people on this board think so or not, roughly 70% of the country thinks he's a failure.

And yes, just about any Republican sans Lieberman (I know, don't care, he's a Republican) would equate to four more years of the same.

 

[fscrig75]

Dude, it was a loose loose situation for him. If he had gone, McCain would have slammed him for politicizing wounded troops and since he took the high road and didn't go, now McCain's people are making it sound like he doesn't care. But once again, you fail to bring up an effective counter point, instead grabbing for an emotion issue with obviously thick layers of spin applied.

It was only a lose situation because he wanted to take his campaign photographer with him. The DoD said that he could come and visit the troops but his campaign staff was not allowed inside. They did not want the wounded troops to be used as a political stepping stone. The exact same rule applies to McCain. If they go to any military hospital, the hospitals PR department will send a cameraman to take some pics and they will be released to the public. But that wasn't good enough for Obama so he chose to not visit.
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63719&archive=true

 

[RichP]

I've been watching Obama, whenever he is off the prepared speeches it becomes obvious he is a follower and not a leader. He seems broght enough, just unsure of himself.
Much the same as Bush for different reasons, who often doesn't seem bright enough to lead anything.
If Obama becomes president, he will likely be managed by a committee, directed by the far left. Look behind the President and see who his cabinet is likely to be, which may be more relevant than the actual figurehead.
Rumsfeld gave poor advice, either because he felt it was necessary to achieve his goals or just let his hawkishness influenced him a bit too much. Chenney is agenda driven and seems to plan way too far ahead for most people to appreciate.
Ask yourself who is going to be pulling Obama's strings? Pelosi? Maybe Biden (actually a good choice, so not likely). Kennedy is out of the picture, but his staff is still around.
McCain is a leader and obviously has political skills, his vice President has brains, boobs and can skin a moose.
McCain seems well suited to hold his own and unlikely to be a puppet. Palin is likely to be a good representative for the US.

The economy, 9/11 destroyed a trillion dollars worth of financial records. Say what you will, but this administration had the economy up and running fairly quickly and seamlessly afterwards.
Homeland security cost billions.
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq cost billions.
The Saudis and others restarted the oil wars, OPEC!!!!
Katrina cost billions.
I'm actually amazed the economy is doing as well as it is. It's been a long time since a single administration has taken this many hits (WW II ?), I seriously have to applaud these guys, not condemn them. They are either doing a really good job of hidding the facts or we are actually in pretty good shape considering.

I hope she puts that moose skinning to work in DC with a few senators and congress critters.

 

[fscrig75]

Originally Posted by JNickel101
I have yet to see where McCain's slogan is now Change....last I saw, its Reform*Prosperity*Peace

Did you count how many times McCain has said change in his speaches since Palin was nominated VP? He effectively eliminated the experience argument with her appointment, and after viewing polling data, he realized people want change more than experience.

So if he effectively eliminated the experience why is Obama's camp ranting on and on about her lack of experience?
And she does have more leadership experience than Obama does.



You sound just like someone re-reading shit from the Obama camp. I'm really tired of reading/replying to you. I really thought long and hard about this, but you're quite possibly only the 2nd person I've met in the military who supports Obama (the other was a liberal ass Intel Major I worked with, who was from California). And NO...I wouldn't save any money with Obama's plan. Just so you know, the upper 50% of wage earners in this country pay 100% of the taxes. The bottom 50% either pay no taxes, or get refunds for more than what they paid in!!! Obama wants to tax every one of them even more. McCain's tax plan would reduce my taxes.

Go to the tax policy center and read their studies on the various tax plans. You might learn something based in fact and not emotion. And drive around an Army post, you'll see a lot of Obama supporters. They did exit polling on the Army during the primaries and military voters either went with Obama or Ron Paul.

Who did exit polling on the Army? I'd like to see those number.

Regardless of what Obama's plan might be, budgets and decisions on healthcare will be pushed through by Congress. If a Democrat controlled Congress pushes through legislation, Obama will sign off on it. McCain, well, at least you have a 50/50 chance.

Oh, so the President has nothing to do with the writing of laws huh? I seem to remember this guy named George W Bush, he had a lot to do with writing laws. Or, for that matter, disregarding them altogether.

Well didn't congress approve the Patriot Act? I'm not a polysci expert but I believe that the President can not just create laws all by himself. Or are they just writting that mistake off like they did when they gave him the approval to go into Iraq.


I just read Obama's healthcare plan - right off the bat - "everyone gets healthcare/National Healthcare" - Socialism. One thing that I think either candidate fails to address is limiting the amount of money that people can sue a doctor for, for malpractice. When I hear someone getting $400 million for "pain and suffering", because they were a 400 pound fatass who probably shouldn't have undergone the surgery to begin with - it makes me sick. The reason healthcare is so expensive in this country is because malpractice insurance is sky high.

Here is a brief description of his healthcare plan directly from his website. Basically, he'd open up a TriCare like system for the public to purchase. BTW, if you purchase something, it's not free. Just incase that wasn't clear.

So what happens when no one purchases the TriCare like plan? Who will give those people coverage? That seems to be the problem now, people would rather have money to buy Plasma TVs and 24" wheels instead of buying Health Insurance. And we both know that TriCare is garbage.

"Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress."

And Bush pushed through legislation that has limited payments on malpractice suits...a few years ago. It's had a major impact as you can tell....

Actually it didn't got through, it got shot down in the Senate by the Dems.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s108-11
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00264


Oh...and yeah, lets give every idiot in this country cheap/free healthcare. You'll see emergency rooms overflowing with every hypochondriac out there constantly thinking there is something wrong with them.

You're obviously not aware of the problem as it stands right now. With both parents working in a hospital and I did before I came in the Army, I've seen it first hand. People are already using ER's as their primary care physicians which drives up costs and overwhelms the ER's. See, since DR's took an oath called the Hippocratic Oath, they can't refuse care at an emergency room. So, insurance or not, they have to see the patients that walk in the door. It is far more cost effective for a person to see a DR regularly and have preventive care applied than treat the problem after the fact. Cholesterol medicine will always be a lot cheaper than a heart attack. Step outside your world for a minute, it might suprise you.

My wife lives it everyday, RN, sure they treat them just enough to get them out of the door and down the road to the city hospital. Private hospitals need to stay private!!
Socialized medicine will not bring about preventive medicine, it will bring about reactive medicine. Why should a DR put all that time and effort into trying to treat something that is difficult, when they can just wait for it to get worse but easier to treat.
Here is an example, my wife is German, socialized medicine. Her dentist in Germany told her for years that she had no cavities and her teeth were perfect. We get to the Springs, she goes to her new Dentist and low and behold she has 5 cavities. The cavities are in locations that are difficult for Dentists to drill. The German dentist didn't want to put the effort forward to drill these difficult cavities cause he would still get paid the flat rate for drilling cavities. He wanted to just wait for the tooth to die, its easier to pull the tooth, thats easy to understand isn't it?
How about all those people from Canada that keep coming into America for healthcare? There system is beyond bad, and I think its illegal to have private practices there.


It just floors me that you're in the military...

And the fact that you're in the AF just reinforces my opinion about the current attitude of your branch. Rambo with a wrench.

Hey someone's got to fly us to place we need to go. But seriously I've had my ass saved by CAS more than once. They made the decision to join the AF, we made the decision to join the Army. Don't be mad at them because your not happy with your career.

 

[JNickel101]

Man, you cited a blog! Really. Nevertheless, the statistics are right. But that statement isn't about who voted with their party more, but who supported Bush more. Because, whether people on this board think so or not, roughly 70% of the country thinks he's a failure.

And yes, just about any Republican sans Lieberman (I know, don't care, he's a Republican) would equate to four more years of the same.

I cited a blog which cites a link from the Washington Post.

91% of the country thinks Congress is a failure. Biden, Obama (and yes, McCain) all come from Congress. Hell so does Ron Paul.

Thats why I was for Mike Huckabee from the beginning.....

 

[JNickel101]

Originally Posted by JNickel101
I have yet to see where McCain's slogan is now Change....last I saw, its Reform*Prosperity*Peace



So if he effectively eliminated the experience why is Obama's camp ranting on and on about her lack of experience?
And she does have more leadership experience than Obama does.



You sound just like someone re-reading shit from the Obama camp. I'm really tired of reading/replying to you. I really thought long and hard about this, but you're quite possibly only the 2nd person I've met in the military who supports Obama (the other was a liberal ass Intel Major I worked with, who was from California). And NO...I wouldn't save any money with Obama's plan. Just so you know, the upper 50% of wage earners in this country pay 100% of the taxes. The bottom 50% either pay no taxes, or get refunds for more than what they paid in!!! Obama wants to tax every one of them even more. McCain's tax plan would reduce my taxes.



Who did exit polling on the Army? I'd like to see those number.

Regardless of what Obama's plan might be, budgets and decisions on healthcare will be pushed through by Congress. If a Democrat controlled Congress pushes through legislation, Obama will sign off on it. McCain, well, at least you have a 50/50 chance.



Well didn't congress approve the Patriot Act? I'm not a polysci expert but I believe that the President can not just create laws all by himself. Or are they just writting that mistake off like they did when they gave him the approval to go into Iraq.


I just read Obama's healthcare plan - right off the bat - "everyone gets healthcare/National Healthcare" - Socialism. One thing that I think either candidate fails to address is limiting the amount of money that people can sue a doctor for, for malpractice. When I hear someone getting $400 million for "pain and suffering", because they were a 400 pound fatass who probably shouldn't have undergone the surgery to begin with - it makes me sick. The reason healthcare is so expensive in this country is because malpractice insurance is sky high.



So what happens when no one purchases the TriCare like plan? Who will give those people coverage? That seems to be the problem now, people would rather have money to buy Plasma TVs and 24" wheels instead of buying Health Insurance. And we both know that TriCare is garbage.




Actually it didn't got through, it got shot down in the Senate by the Dems.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s108-11
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00264


Oh...and yeah, lets give every idiot in this country cheap/free healthcare. You'll see emergency rooms overflowing with every hypochondriac out there constantly thinking there is something wrong with them.



My wife lives it everyday, RN, sure they treat them just enough to get them out of the door and down the road to the city hospital. Private hospitals need to stay private!!
Socialized medicine will not bring about preventive medicine, it will bring about reactive medicine. Why should a DR put all that time and effort into trying to treat something that is difficult, when they can just wait for it to get worse but easier to treat.
Here is an example, my wife is German, socialized medicine. Her dentist in Germany told her for years that she had no cavities and her teeth were perfect. We get to the Springs, she goes to her new Dentist and low and behold she has 5 cavities. The cavities are in locations that are difficult for Dentists to drill. The German dentist didn't want to put the effort forward to drill these difficult cavities cause he would still get paid the flat rate for drilling cavities. He wanted to just wait for the tooth to die, its easier to pull the tooth, thats easy to understand isn't it?
How about all those people from Canada that keep coming into America for healthcare? There system is beyond bad, and I think its illegal to have private practices there.


It just floors me that you're in the military...



Hey someone's got to fly us to place we need to go. But seriously I've had my ass saved by CAS more than once. They made the decision to join the AF, we made the decision to join the Army. Don't be mad at them because your not happy with your career.

Thanks buddy :cheers:

 

[JNickel101]

Dude, it was a loose loose situation for him. If he had gone, McCain would have slammed him for politicizing wounded troops and since he took the high road and didn't go, now McCain's people are making it sound like he doesn't care. But once again, you fail to bring up an effective counter point, instead grabbing for an emotion issue with obviously thick layers of spin applied.

LOL...you crack me up dude....

 

[fscrig75]

If Obama is so against the Patriot Act, why did he vote, YES, to reapprove it in 2006?
And in '06 and '07 Obama voted, NO, to force the redeployment of troops out of Iraq.
Half of his votes are against bills, then the bill gets reintroduced and he votes yes for it. I mean seriously make up your mind.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

 

[JNickel101]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html

This is another funny article.....again, not from Fox News Busch (just for you)....

 

[JNickel101]

If Obama is so against the Patriot Act, why did he vote, YES, to reapprove it in 2006?
And in '06 and '07 Obama voted, NO, to force the redeployment of troops out of Iraq.
Half of his votes are against bills, then the bill gets reintroduced and he votes yes for it. I mean seriously make up your mind.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

Maybe that's what he means when he says "change" all the time - he's referring to his own development!

 

[tharlanjr]

Does anyone remember the "Bush Tax Cuts" those put and average of 12K back into the "average" american's pocket...

Obama wants to end that, how is that caring for the middle class?

I would love to keep 12K more a year...

 

[XJEEPER]

Here's the Robin Hood approach.......

OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Barack Obama will require oil companies to take a reasonable share of their record-breaking windfall profits and use it to provide direct relief worth $500 for an individual and $1,000 for a married couple. The relief would be delivered as quickly as possible to help families cope with the rising price of gasoline, food and other necessities. The rebates would be fully paid for with five years of a windfall profits tax on record oil company profits. This relief would be a down payment on Obama’s long-term plan to provide middle-class families with at least $1,000 per year in permanent tax relief. The Obama energy rebates will: offset the entire increase in gas prices for a working family over the next four months; or pay for the entire increase in winter heating bills for a typical family in a cold-weather state. In addition, Obama has proposed setting aside a portion of a second round of fiscal stimulus to ensure sufficient funding for home heating and weatherization assistance as we move into the fall and winter months.


Except an 8% profit should not be considered windfall.

Here's a much better approach, that will benefit everyone. Toss the Eviromentalists out and allow the oil companies to invest their profits in new refineries and extraction of known oil sources on US soil/territory.

This will financially benefit everyone in the USA.

 

[RichP]

Here's the Robin Hood approach.......

OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Barack Obama will require oil companies to take a reasonable share of their record-breaking windfall profits and use it to provide direct relief worth $500 for an individual and $1,000 for a married couple. The relief would be delivered as quickly as possible to help families cope with the rising price of gasoline, food and other necessities. The rebates would be fully paid for with five years of a windfall profits tax on record oil company profits. This relief would be a down payment on Obama’s long-term plan to provide middle-class families with at least $1,000 per year in permanent tax relief. The Obama energy rebates will: offset the entire increase in gas prices for a working family over the next four months; or pay for the entire increase in winter heating bills for a typical family in a cold-weather state. In addition, Obama has proposed setting aside a portion of a second round of fiscal stimulus to ensure sufficient funding for home heating and weatherization assistance as we move into the fall and winter months.


Except an 8% profit should not be considered windfall.

Here's a much better approach, that will benefit everyone. Toss the Eviromentalists out and allow the oil companies to invest their profits in new refineries and extraction of known oil sources on US soil/territory.

This will financially benefit everyone in the USA.

Is this guy on drugs or what.

 

[JNickel101]

Maybe its not really cigarettes that Obama smokes.....