pa_muddin_xj
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I've heard of them before, but have never seen one in the United States. Are there any here. It seems to me like diesel would be cheaper right now.
87 was the last year for the turbo diesel here in the US.pa_muddin_xj said:I've heard of them before, but have never seen one in the United States. Are there any here. It seems to me like diesel would be cheaper right now.
Woodstock said:the 2,1 is more stable than the 2,5 Diesel .. but there were still problems with the starter, turbo, cylinderhead-seal at the 2,1 that i drove.
Chancer said:Loads of diesel XJs over here, all the VM 2.5 TD's under the bonnet (Rovers, Isuzu thingies/ Vauxhall Frontera). They have a tendency to go at the head quite a lot though, which is in 4 separate pieces, which makes them a little on the expensive side to replace. You don't get much better fuel consumption than a 4 litre, but they have massive engine braking in 1st (they tend to be manuals). My personal preference: get a HO and convert to LPG. Either you lose boot space or underbody clearance, but you'll recoup the costs of the conversion pretty quickly if you keep it for a few years.
Woodstock said:I've got a Diesel XJ (VM 2,5 TurboDiesel 98). And it's true what Chancer said that there are a lot of gone heads. I haven't one till now (125.000 km) but 2 of my friends had one (even with the newer version - after 97).
After 97 they improved the engine and they added a Intercooler (which is mounted behind the bumper where it isn't getting air to do it's job ), a oil to water cooler, a water collecting tube at the heads (to get air bubbles out of the engine if it's running hot) and some guys think a new water pump.
So I've heard a lot of problems with the before 97 models and only some with the after 97 models.
I added an additional oilcooler and made some wholes in the bumper for the intercooler.
The fuel consumption is about 10L per 100km which is much lesser than the 4.0 engines (12-15 L per 100 km).
Here in europe the fuel is much more expensive than in the states. Gas costs about € 1,- per Liter (about double of your costs). Diesel costs € 0,8 per Liter. Also we have to pay taxes depending on the horsepower of the cars. And the 4.0 are much more expensive than the Diesel with 115 hp. So all this makes the Diesel in europe much more reliable (even with the head problems).
Also there were the 2.1 Renault Diesel (they are not built anymore). But they have to less hp for the "heavy" XJ. But this engine was much more stable.
greetings from Austria :wave:
Rainer
scoobyxj said:How do they fugure that at the pump?
PA Highlander said:So it sounds as though the 2.1 TD isn't worth it even if it is dirt cheap?
Considering gas is $2.049 and diesel $2.329 right now, it would also have to be a large increasing in fuel economy just to break even.
<rant>Why is diesel more then gas? It's a less refined product - doesn't make sense to me!</rant>
casm said:That's basically it. It's not so much that it's a bad engine, just a nightmare to support. It is *very* underpowered for moving an XJ along, btw. Seriously, look into a CRD swap - as a bonus, you'll have the benefit of an additional 20 years of diesel technology development and only need one source for parts.
Jeez, I wish we were at $2.04. Filled up last night at $2.37. One station in downtown LA has 87-octane set at $2.65 last I checked. This price gouging is bullsh*t.
Because the main purchasers of diesel are fleet vehicles (i.e., semis). The oil companies can charge more for it knowing that they'll pay it. Then there's the government, taxing it...