Classic cars crushed!!

[Ecomike]

My favorite bumper sticker!

"Don't laugh, It's payed for!"

 

[Char-Broil]

I am considering doing this. trade in My XJ @ 228k, replace wife's ailing Corolla, at 201k (and working on it every week) to get her a new yaris, 16k and change new, with the 4500 incentive, plus another 3600 saved up, we pay for half, finance the rest for 36 months at 5.9% apr it is about $250 a month. I drive the corolla till i get a new job, then i sell it and buy a newer XJ. I can only hope the vehicles go to the pick and pulls, where we can all feast on the huge influx of parts. I of course will pull EVERYTHING that has any value to me, and sell or put it on my next jeep. Knowing that it is going to the bone yard or the crusher, it really only has to get me to the dealer. and yes, I have been debating buying a new car for months now. look at the used values for yaris and corollas. you pay 5000.00-6000.00 less for a 5 year old toyota with 60-100k mi on it than you would for a brand new one with a waranty and no miles. duh.

 

[muduck18]

I am considering doing this. trade in My XJ @ 228k, replace wife's ailing Corolla, at 201k (and working on it every week) to get her a new yaris, 16k and change new, with the 4500 incentive, plus another 3600 saved up, we pay for half, finance the rest for 36 months at 5.9% apr it is about $250 a month. I drive the corolla till i get a new job, then i sell it and buy a newer XJ. I can only hope the vehicles go to the pick and pulls, where we can all feast on the huge influx of parts. I of course will pull EVERYTHING that has any value to me, and sell or put it on my next jeep. Knowing that it is going to the bone yard or the crusher, it really only has to get me to the dealer. and yes, I have been debating buying a new car for months now. look at the used values for yaris and corollas. you pay 5000.00-6000.00 less for a 5 year old toyota with 60-100k mi on it than you would for a brand new one with a waranty and no miles. duh.

huh I knew you were a sell out..
Good news for the rest of us.
According the the federal EPA standards the XJ does not meed the requirements for the cast for clunkers.
The combined fuel mileage must be below 18mpg..
the XJ EPA Combined is 19 for the auto and 21 for the manual..
you are SOL if you are planning to get the cash for clunkers credit...

 

[AIbandit]

Could you trade in a car for a bike?

I just bought 2 cars and dont need another but have a crappy 99 saturn in my garage... I could use a crotch rocket =]

 

[muduck18]

crap, they changed the MPG rating for the old cars... the XJ now has 18... DANG IT!!!

 

[Char-Broil]

crap, they changed the MPG rating for the old cars... the XJ now has 18... DANG IT!!!

are you upset because you were wrong? thanks for calling me an a**hole in not so many words. what do you have a notification set for if i make a post?

 

[muduck18]

are you upset because you were wrong? thanks for calling me an a**hole in not so many words. what do you have a notification set for if i make a post?

No, I was subscribed to this thread from a while ago when I was posting in it.

I am upset because of parts that will be lost, and good jeeps and cars crushed because someone wanted to buy a new car, that won't last nearly as long as the one they crushed did.

 

[Char-Broil]

Well I am not in love with the whole plan myself, but when you're in the market for a new car and saving up your pennies, and all of a sudden, a vehicle that is costing you $200 a month in gas to drive went from being worth $1500-2000 as is to $4500 towards that car you've been saving for, with all your precious parts stripped off it, it starts to sound like a good deal for you. It may not work out and I won't be upset I will keep driving my junk cars and saving my money. Taking time out of each week to perform necessary repairs and pray my wife doesn't die in an auto wreck because her decrepid car dies in the middle of a freeway and she doesn't know what to do. Trust me if it does work out I will save those pennies for that 99-01 XJ I have been looking for and make it into the vehicle my 94 would never be. BTW, "ensuring the vehicles will be crushed..." does not necessarily mean that the vehicles won't go to a salvage yard. I sincerely hope that they do, even though you won't glean much of anything from my vehicle. And you better believe there will be a last wheeling horah for it before I let it go.

 

[Vince]

I am living in Switzerland at the moment. They don't have scrappage here yet but they do have a fairly tough inspection test when the vehicle is five years old. Consequently, most cars here are less than five years old and dealers export used cars to the European Union. New and used car prices are high and there are no auto part shops for DIY repairs. Vehicle modifications are practically illegal. The super rich still modify as they can afford the fines. This is not scrappage, this is just a country that makes owning a five year old vehicle more expensive than a new one.

In France where they do have scrappage for 8 to 10 year old cars. A replacement exhaust for an 11 year old French made 4 cylinder could cost $1000. In Switzerland where the same part could be sourced by a dealer it could cost $250. In the UK prior to their scrappage scheme the same exhaust may cost only $100.

The net result of scrappage is a massive reduction in the number of a particular model of vehicle on the road. Parts companies no longer want to hold inventory for them. Original equipment and pattern part manufacturers no longer make parts because the big parts companies stop placing orders for them. This is why an exhaust for an 11 year old French car is cheaper in England... There are still enough around being driven to create a viable competitive market.

All the countries in Europe that have introduced scrappage are introducing laws that gradually make it illegal to modify. Some non original component parts in these countries are only permitted if the original vehicle manufacturer's endorses them and the mod part manufacturer can get the part type approved. Since 2008, bumpers can no longer be modified or swapped in the EU and this year performance chips became illegal in Germany.

With the scrappage scheme just starting in the UK, I have now started looking for more large parts (Engines, tcase, trans) for my British XJ as these will disappear very quickly. If the same thing happens in the USA, the ability to find cheap parts for an XJ anywhere in the world will become history.

Anyone that takes a scrappage bribe has no right to later complain when their automotive hobby gets destroyed as a result.

 

[MisterFubar]

I am considering doing this. trade in My XJ @ 228k, replace wife's ailing Corolla, at 201k (and working on it every week) to get her a new yaris, 16k and change new, with the 4500 incentive, plus another 3600 saved up, we pay for half, finance the rest for 36 months at 5.9% apr it is about $250 a month. I drive the corolla till i get a new job, then i sell it and buy a newer XJ. I can only hope the vehicles go to the pick and pulls, where we can all feast on the huge influx of parts. I of course will pull EVERYTHING that has any value to me, and sell or put it on my next jeep. Knowing that it is going to the bone yard or the crusher, it really only has to get me to the dealer. and yes, I have been debating buying a new car for months now. look at the used values for yaris and corollas. you pay 5000.00-6000.00 less for a 5 year old toyota with 60-100k mi on it than you would for a brand new one with a waranty and no miles. duh.

I was going to be buying a new car for the wife anyway and this deal falls in my lap, might as well take it. I'll end up buying something else to fill the gap that I use the XJ for, but I've been wanting to get rid of it and get a 4Runner anyway. You know, something that doesn't break down every other week.

I know some people might be pissed because I'll be doing it with a very clean 99 with only 105k on it, but unless someone wants to pony up 4500 bucks for it I don't mind seeing it scrapped. It's been nothing but a pain in my arse anyway. I'm glad I kept all my old parts, it will be getting turned in throwing about 17 different codes and barely running.

It looks like scrapping the engine/trans will be required, but the fate of the rest of the vehicle lies with whatever yard ends up with it.

 

[XJEEPER]

This is obviously another "smoke and mirrors" program designed to make Green people feel good and real people more angry at our govermental leaders.

The cost of the program will be absorbed by all taxpayers, it will net little to no benefit to our society. We already have too many programs that are focused on making special interests feel good, are finanaced by the masses and bring no benefit to our society as a whole.

If these jackasses in Washington wanna keep coming up with this crap and presenting it as "money well spent and a benefit to society", then I want them to produce a business plan with a clear and concise Return on Investment strategy, just like any prospective business must do, in order to secure financing. I also want them to be held accountable and any new project that is approved must also have an end date, if the business plan is not met.

If it's not "profitable", it's shut down. :smsoap:

 

[muduck18]

This is obviously another "smoke and mirrors" program designed to make Green people feel good and real people more angry at our govermental leaders.

The cost of the program will be absorbed by all taxpayers, it will net little to no benefit to our society. We already have too many programs that are focused on making special interests feel good, are finanaced by the masses and bring no benefit to our society as a whole.

If these jackasses in Washington wanna keep coming up with this crap and presenting it as "money well spent and a benefit to society", then I want them to produce a business plan with a clear and concise Return on Investment strategy, just like any prospective business must do, in order to secure financing. I also want them to be held accountable and any new project that is approved must also have an end date, if the business plan is not met.

If it's not "profitable", it's shut down. :smsoap:

X2
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X eleventy billion!!!!!!!

 

[Vince]

I know some people might be pissed because I'll be doing it with a very clean 99 with only 105k on it, but unless someone wants to pony up 4500 bucks for it I don't mind seeing it scrapped.

You are not going to be the only one in this situation. Nobody is going to turn down a scrappage deal that clearly saves them money acquiring their next vehicle. That's why these schemes are popular around the world.

It's been nothing but a pain in my arse anyway. I'm glad I kept all my old parts, it will be getting turned in throwing about 17 different codes and barely running.

It looks like scrapping the engine/trans will be required, but the fate of the rest of the vehicle lies with whatever yard ends up with it.

In Europe no part of a scrappage vehicle is rescued. The whole lot goes to materials recovery, melted down, shredded, whatever.

Taking used car parts out of circulation is a key part of the scheme. It makes it harder for those left with older vehicles to keep them on the road. This in turn starts the whole economic cycle with replacement parts companies reducing inventory and increasing prices.

The 'environmentalists' don't really care that it takes a lot more energy to make and use two 10-year vehicles than one 20-year vehicle. They just want to get rid of all of the engines that they think are producing too much CO2. Even if that old vehicle is only driven 3,000 miles a year.

Governments like the idea too as they want to introduce new vehicle tracking and control systems which are much easier to do when the populace has accepted that a maximum use of 8 to 10 years for a vehicle is normal. See how TPMS is now on all new cars. With scrappage, a government can achieve total adoption of any new requirement within 10 years of it being introduced.

Take a look at the following links to see what a government can introduce and combine when freedom is merely a social illusion.
http://www.whatgreencar.com/news-item.php?TfL-to-trial-speedlimiting-technology

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4610755.stm

 

[Char-Broil]

Anyone heard any new reports about whether the Obomb put his signature on this? From what i understand dealers will be participating August thru November...

 

[Char-Broil]

Well good news, I think.

www.cars.gov

Under their FAQ:

What happens to the vehicle I trade in?


The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.

 

[Darky]

Well good news, I think.

www.cars.gov

Under their FAQ:

What happens to the vehicle I trade in?


The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.

Nope, not good news. The term "drivetrain" can easily be designed to include axles and driveshafts along with engine, transmission, and transfer case. Basically, what it's telling you is that you are not able to buy anything except interior pieces and body panels. For our hobby, the drivetrain is the most valuable portion of the crushed vehicle.

 

[Ecomike]

So the price of used XJ drive trains just jumped $4,500. Cool, I have several of them. Time to gather a few more. :scottm:

I suspect there are currently far more 4.0 and AW4 cores around than used bodies and frames.

I wonder how the JYs feel about this. On one hand their long term inventory value just went through the roof, if they hold it for a while, and if this program actually gets used and increases real scraping rates. On the other hand the car dealers may need to start paying JYs to take the cars, instead of selling them if all they can get is scrap metal value for them. It may get harder, and more costly to buy used XJ's from their owners if they can trade them in for $4,500 off a newer vehicle price.

Hmm, once again, I think my XJ fleet value just jumped way up.

 

[Char-Broil]

Interesting thoughts. Better than bringing in a crusher to the dealers and compacting it to a useless pile of scrap right on the lot though. Who knows how strictly this will be enforced at the junkyards. You're right, drivetrain can include anything really, but there is also a line in there that says something to the effect of "in some circumstances this will be limited to the engine block, transmission and other driveline parts may still be sold." Sure the price of XJ's may go up, for scrap or for used sale, but won't that conversely effect the value of an XJ worth, say 6,000.00? It seems to me, It's not really affecting a real number, because it is not affecting the real value of the vehicles. The whole program really only makes sense for those planning to buy a new car or on the fence about buying a new car. If someone driving a junker can't afford car payments, 4500.00 off a new car is not really going to make or break the deal for them. if this was for new or used cars i think it would mess with the scrap and used values of cars a lot more.

 

[MisterFubar]

Cleaned out the XJ tonight for it's trip to Clunker Heaven tomorrow. Wife is happy she gets a new car, I'm happy I get my car back from her and everyone wins because another XJ is off the road. :gag:

Isn't socialism grand?

 

[Blaine B.]

Just like Japan. Five years, 100,000km, and they tax it till you squeal. It's a good thing they don't do it here, our driveway would be empty. Talk about artificially stimulating your economy.....

3 and a half more years (possibly 7 and a half if the idiots vote again) and we might be seeing what you can dream of here in Amerika within the next decade.

And they are all about crushing the vehicles. What happened to being green and recycling old parts that somebody else "less fortunate" can use? Hahaha..... BigJoke Obsama