Cheney or Edwards...?

[Matthew Currie]

Before your heart bleeds too much for the corporations, don't forget that nationally, corporations file approximately four times as many lawsuits as individuals, and are likelier, according to what I've read, to be sanctioned for frivolous suits. Everybody knows a few "that's outrageous" suit stories, like the woman who was burned by coffee (third degree burns, the restaurant in knowing violation of codes and having been cited multiple times before, and if you read about it you might find it wasn't so frivolous after all, but that's another story...) but anecdotes don't make good statistics. It's true that Edwards specialized in malpractice and other medical related lawsuits, thus contributing, perhaps, to the less than two percent share of overall medical costs that these suits represent. I don't know whether any of Edwards's suits were frivolous, but I have not heard any allegations that any specific suits were unwarranted. "Frivolous lawsuit" can be a handy buzzword for those not in the mood to think.

 

[Economos]

Kerry also won't be able to bring Germany or France into Iraq, that's fact.

You can thank Bush for that move.

I'm done here because it seems that there are no other Kerry supporters on this entire forum that are willing to grow a sack and post up; few or none of them have chimed in on this thread and I'm clearly out-numbered.

 

[8Mud]

France and Germany are each about the population of California and Oregon combined. California alone is often near the GDP of France. They just make a lot of noise, not really a serious threat. People take what they say and think, way to seriously. France has a history, that unless there generals can be in charge, they aren´t showing up. Germans have the philosophy that one German life, is worth a multiple of any other nationalities.
Germany and France both have been going through a nationalistic renovation, for decades. Germany has been negotiating American troops out of there country for decades, want the money but don´t want the troops. Germany has a rather large contingent of troops in Afganistan, protecting it´s mining interests in the north of the country (they were actually there before the invasion). Germany wouldn´t be anywhere near were it is today, without America, we bootstraped them into a leading roll in Europe.
They have plans for a United States of Europe, with either France or Germany in charge (they will probably fight that one out, sometime in the future). And when things turn sour, the good old US of A will probably be called on to again, to come in and sort things out. Liberate France, rebuild Germany and wait until they are strong enough to stab us in the backs again.
Both Germany and France often seem to suffer from terminal arrogance, both believe they are born to lead. They really still don´t get it, believe me, alive and well in the hearts of most Germans and Frenchmen is the fact of there superiority, because of where they were born and the language they speak. Told a German the other day, youngster about 30, (really arrogant sucker, fairly typical German), asked me what I was doing in Germany (read between the lines, you have no business here). Told him I´d been here longer than him and the only difference is, I was born in California and arrived by airplane and he was born in some backwoods socialist village and arrived by virgina.
Have to deal with Europe, but sure don´t have to kiss there southern extremities.

 

[Carpenter]

You can thank Bush for that move.

Try again. Do some digging into why France, Germany, and Russia were all so apposed to unseating Saddam.

 

[Darky]

Believe it was something to do with the fact that they had deals going with oil and lots of money....but wait we're there for the oil. Riiight. Kerry insults the guys that signed on to help us then says he'll get people to help us. He'll get them to send more troops while we withdraw ours and all the while swearing it wasn't him that said they were all puppets.

 

[Urban Redneck]

So Poland and the rest of the countries that are allied with us are not worth anything in your book? Nice, I'm sure that they would love to know that some of the people in this country could give a rats ass abou them. What, because Germany and France didn't want to support us, then we shouldn't take measures to defend our country from future attacks? That's plain stupid. Especially when Germany and France were on the take with the Oil for Food program...oh, yeah, we don't want to talk about that. Tell me, how many times did we have to bail out France's ass? 2? 3? What were they going to do to help anyways? Launch guided crossiants? France doesn't get my money, will never get my money. I know...next time France needs help because they let another dictator walk into they country and take over, all you bleeding heart liberals can go help them out. But remember, you can't use weapons because they are bad. You can make peace with them and they will go away...make sure you take Jimmy Carter, Babs Strisand and Alec Baldwin with you. You can all go have a big love fest, hug a couple of trees and all will be right with the world. The saying "Peace thorugh superior firepower" has it's merits.

 

[red91]

So Poland and the rest of the countries that are allied with us are not worth anything in your book? Nice, I'm sure that they would love to know that some of the people in this country could give a rats ass abou them. What, because Germany and France didn't want to support us, then we shouldn't take measures to defend our country from future attacks? That's plain stupid. Especially when Germany and France were on the take with the Oil for Food program...oh, yeah, we don't want to talk about that. Tell me, how many times did we have to bail out France's ass? 2? 3? What were they going to do to help anyways? Launch guided crossiants? France doesn't get my money, will never get my money. I know...next time France needs help because they let another dictator walk into they country and take over, all you bleeding heart liberals can go help them out. But remember, you can't use weapons because they are bad. You can make peace with them and they will go away...make sure you take Jimmy Carter, Babs Strisand and Alec Baldwin with you. You can all go have a big love fest, hug a couple of trees and all will be right with the world. The saying "Peace thorugh superior firepower" has it's merits.

its amazing that Alec Baldwin says he'll leave america if Bush is President and then shows up on a talk show 3 yrs later talking politics. But HEY... at least we got a statue out of France before they got all snooty.

 

[Matthew Currie]

I watched the debates, and I didn't hear anybody "insult" Poland or any other of the allies. I'm sure Poland is a very good friend, and their help is appreciated by all, but considering that they have something like 2400 troops there to our 138 thousand, it's not unreasonable to point out that we are taking the brunt of the work and the casualties, and I don't think it's an insult to Poland to point this out, and state the obvious: that we'd be better off with a broader coalition.

Because this is a "family" oriented forum I generally steer clear of political and religious topics. My opinions on some issues and some personages are not printable. My opinion of Mr. Bush is in that category. Kerry and Edwards are getting my vote, not simply because they're "not Bush" though that helps. I'd have preferred Dean, but I'll settle for Kerry. 'Nuff said. Back to OEM tech!

 

[Urban Redneck]

Not talking about the debates as to Poland, read the post at the top of page 2. That is what I'm talking about. Yeah, Poland has less troops there, but I think it is in proportion as to population. I have a major problem with people who think that we NEED to have the Frogs and Germans there for it to be legit. If they were there, the Demo-craps will still find somthing to bitch about...Oh, too many of our guys are over there...Oh, they dont' have bullet proof vest (even though us Demo-craps voted against the cash for them)...Oh, it's too hot...Oh, you get the point.