2000 Page Healthcare Bill

[XJEEPER]

"I think the process is something that has lacked integrity," he told "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez. "We've taken creative accounting to a level I never thought was imaginable. I think this bill has so many fundamental flaws. No doubt in a bill this long there are some good things in it, but the way this bill has been constructed as it relates to the accounting, the trickery and certainly some of the last-minute deals that were made, shouldn't make the American people feel very good about Congress and that's regretful."

Corker specially zeroed in on concessions made to gain the support of specific senators with appropriations directed toward their states in the bill.

"It's not appropriate that my state or your state or other states around this country pick up the tab for Nebraska, and something similar was done in Vermont, just so two people would sign on to a bill that otherwise they would not have supported," Corker said.

 

[JNickel101]

Irony (is this the word I'm looking for?)

Being stuck with paying for abortions

vs

Being stuck with paying for welfare/crack babies

....Pick your poison....

 

[XJEEPER]

Speaking of abortions, I'm hoping that this is a bill-killer.

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "Well, from the House leadership or the White House – a lot of pressure. They think I shouldn’t be expressing my views on this bill until they get a chance to try to sell me the language. Well, I don’t need anyone to sell me the language. I can read it. I’ve seen it. I’ve worked with it. I know what it says. I don’t need to have a conference with the White House. I have the legislation in front of me here."

Rep. Stupak: "They asked me just to hold off for a while and not to say anything about this language. But as soon as the news broke that they had this [compromise], and they got the 60 votes, folks were asking me, and I’m not going to run from the issue I’m going to stand up and say, ‘Look, here’s my objections.' Here – it’s not just my objections – but there’s a number of my [colleagues] who feel strongly about this issue, and these are the parts that have to be fixed. There are three ways in which the bill dramatically deviates from current law."

Rep. Stupak: “So we’re getting a lot of pressure not to say anything, to try to compromise this principle or belief, and we’re just not – that’s just not us, I mean, we’re not going to do that. Members who voted for the Stupak language in the House – especially the Democrats, 64 Democrats that voted for it – feel very strongly about it. It’s been part of who we are, part of our make up. It’s the principle belief that we have. We are not just going to abandon it in the name of health care."

CNSNews.com: "So, to go back and ask you again, do you have the votes needed to stop the bill, if it comes to that?"

Rep. Stupak: "Well, if all the issues are resolved and we’re down to the pro-life view or, I should say, no public funding for abortion, there’s at least 10 to 12 members who have said repeatedly, unless this language is fixed and current law is maintained and no public funding for abortion, they're not gonna' vote for the bill. There’s 10 or 12 of us -- they only passed the bill by 3 votes, so they’re going to be short 8 to 9, maybe 6 to 8 votes. So they do not have the votes to pass it in the House.”


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/58921

 

[Boatwrench]

Speaking of abortions, I'm hoping that this is a bill-killer.

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.): "Well, from the House leadership or the White House – a lot of pressure. They think I shouldn’t be expressing my views on this bill until they get a chance to try to sell me the language. Well, I don’t need anyone to sell me the language. I can read it. I’ve seen it. I’ve worked with it. I know what it says. I don’t need to have a conference with the White House. I have the legislation in front of me here."

Rep. Stupak: "They asked me just to hold off for a while and not to say anything about this language. But as soon as the news broke that they had this [compromise], and they got the 60 votes, folks were asking me, and I’m not going to run from the issue I’m going to stand up and say, ‘Look, here’s my objections.' Here – it’s not just my objections – but there’s a number of my [colleagues] who feel strongly about this issue, and these are the parts that have to be fixed. There are three ways in which the bill dramatically deviates from current law."

Rep. Stupak: “So we’re getting a lot of pressure not to say anything, to try to compromise this principle or belief, and we’re just not – that’s just not us, I mean, we’re not going to do that. Members who voted for the Stupak language in the House – especially the Democrats, 64 Democrats that voted for it – feel very strongly about it. It’s been part of who we are, part of our make up. It’s the principle belief that we have. We are not just going to abandon it in the name of health care."

CNSNews.com: "So, to go back and ask you again, do you have the votes needed to stop the bill, if it comes to that?"

Rep. Stupak: "Well, if all the issues are resolved and we’re down to the pro-life view or, I should say, no public funding for abortion, there’s at least 10 to 12 members who have said repeatedly, unless this language is fixed and current law is maintained and no public funding for abortion, they're not gonna' vote for the bill. There’s 10 or 12 of us -- they only passed the bill by 3 votes, so they’re going to be short 8 to 9, maybe 6 to 8 votes. So they do not have the votes to pass it in the House.”


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/58921

So who are the 64? who are the 10-12?

It would help if we knew. Since you feel as strongly as you do regarding this issue (and other issues with the current administration) knowing which representatives have taken a stand and/or broke with the group think on the hill would be beneficial to our members. Then we as citizens could write a note of support for them taking the hard row and if it is the representative o the district we live in, the better.

BTW: I live in the Honorable Lynn Woolsey's District of northern Marin and western Sonoma counties. I have no idea her position on anything...yet.

 

[heyhar]

Irony (is this the word I'm looking for?)

Being stuck with paying for abortions

vs

Being stuck with paying for welfare/crack babies

....Pick your poison....

And I'm sure cures for ED, like Viagra and Cialis (for the non-contributors) are included, to assist in causing the above conditions, but let's have (legitimate, tax-paying) women wait till they're 50 to see what's wrong. Let's give the cream to the (Democratic-voting) recipients, and the crumbs to the mostly conservative providers.

 

[XJEEPER]

Harry Reid Turns Insurance Into a Public Utility

The health bill creates a massive cash crunch and then bankruptcies for many insurers.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...610040924143158.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_opinion

 

[Boatwrench]

From the article:
" the bill's complex, cooperative federalism scheme authorizes state regulators, after recommendations from the federal government, to exclude insurers from the exchanges if their prices are too high,"

From a radio talk show: "Not all states have insurance commissions that can regulate premiums charged by insurance companies. California's Insurance Commissioner is one regulator that doesn't. Unless California enacts legislation that allows the commisioner to regulate premiums this component of the bill will not impact the insurance companies but would allow them to raise premiums."

"This bill is better for the smaller states than for the larger ones" - from an interview with the Honorable Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)

I don't know but it seems there is plenty of mis-information out there on both sides of the topic.

 

[Ironmen77]

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7dD2EvXtM&feature=player_embedded

My Senator gets it.

 

[XJEEPER]

Mayo Clinic in AZ to stop accepting Medicare patients

“Many physicians have said, ‘I simply cannot afford to keep taking care of Medicare patients,’” said Heim, a family doctor who practices in Laurinburg, North Carolina. “If you truly know your business costs and you are losing money, it doesn’t make sense to do more of it.”

Medicare Loss

The Mayo organization had 3,700 staff physicians and scientists and treated 526,000 patients in 2008. It lost $840 million last year on Medicare, the government’s health program for the disabled and those 65 and older, Mayo spokeswoman Lynn Closway said.

Mayo’s hospital and four clinics in Arizona, including the Glendale facility, lost $120 million on Medicare patients last year, Yardley said. The program’s payments cover about 50 percent of the cost of treating elderly primary-care patients at the Glendale clinic, he said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHoYSI84VdL0

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Guess Obama may want to recall his reference to the Mayo Clinic being a model provider of healthcare, now that they are dumping Medicare.

Oddly enough, this is the same program that Obama and the supporting Congress members are trying to migrate us all towards under their "Healthcare Reform" bill.


Let's do some quick math here.....

• Obama and his Socialists buddies in Washington are trying to migrate the US population to a Medicare-formatted healthcare program (which is admittedly riddled with corruption, inefficiency and is a huge debt burden on US taxpayers)

• Minus-Skilled doctors are losing money on Medicare patients and refusing to care for them

• Equals-lowered level of care, fewer skilled physicians available to provide care, rationing of services, delayed treatments, waiting list for medical services.........the list can go on and on.

This is the exact opposite of what the supporting Congress and Obama are telling us about the Healthcare Reform Bill, yet the average middle school student can see that they are modeling their "new and improved system" after the old and flawed system that is currently helping to bankrupt our Country.