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Jeep fighting recall
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lazyxj
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Reminds me of the Ford Pinto gas tank problem, from many years ago.
All they did in the recall was to add a plastic shield, between the tank and rear axle.
Wonder why XJs were not included? Our XJ's tanks are in the same position as the older ZJs and should be just as likely to be punctured in a rear end collision.
All they did in the recall was to add a plastic shield, between the tank and rear axle.
Wonder why XJs were not included? Our XJ's tanks are in the same position as the older ZJs and should be just as likely to be punctured in a rear end collision.
crimsondragon
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Tank skids ftw.
WB9YZU
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Heard this being talked about on NPR.
From what I gathered, the issue isn't a mounting location issue, it's that when involved in a collision, the fill tube comes off and pours gas on the ground.
Chrysler said that installing a tank skid would not solve the problem.
If it was simply a rear mount issue, every single vehicle with a rear mounted tank would need to be recalled.
From what I gathered, the issue isn't a mounting location issue, it's that when involved in a collision, the fill tube comes off and pours gas on the ground.
Chrysler said that installing a tank skid would not solve the problem.
If it was simply a rear mount issue, every single vehicle with a rear mounted tank would need to be recalled.
joe_peters
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That "Pinto problem" was a load of CR*P.
A drunk slammed a 3/4 TON GM van into the rear of a Pinto at a stop light/sign--at about 70 MILES PER HOUR WITHOUT HAVING APPLIED THE BRAKES.
A jury went after Ford--deep pockets--rather than the uninsured serial drunk driver.
A drunk slammed a 3/4 TON GM van into the rear of a Pinto at a stop light/sign--at about 70 MILES PER HOUR WITHOUT HAVING APPLIED THE BRAKES.
A jury went after Ford--deep pockets--rather than the uninsured serial drunk driver.
emptypockets86
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Another interesting read: http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2013/06/behind-the-nhtsa-request
bjoehandley
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That's an interesting read, and pretty much confirms my thoughts on the matter too.
SonicCougar99
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I saw the article on CNN about the initial "crash" and I could have sworn that was an XJ Cherokee shown, not a ZJ/WJ. Of course the media doesn't know the difference between a Cherokee and Grand Cherokee, and they are of course hyping the hell out of this for no good god damned reason. They did the same with Toyota over the stuck throttle thing (it's called NEUTRAL YOU INCOMPETENT MONKEYS!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ4PtafRB9c)
This advocacy group is a bunch of idiots too. Apparently in their initial release, the only stat said "6 children have been injured" or something like that. Yep, use the "SAVE THE CHILDREN!" excuse. Seriously, this is the dumbest thing I have seen in ages, and kudos to Chrysler/Fiat/Jeep for putting their foot down on how stupid this entire thing is.
This advocacy group is a bunch of idiots too. Apparently in their initial release, the only stat said "6 children have been injured" or something like that. Yep, use the "SAVE THE CHILDREN!" excuse. Seriously, this is the dumbest thing I have seen in ages, and kudos to Chrysler/Fiat/Jeep for putting their foot down on how stupid this entire thing is.
tbburg
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There have been leaches suing over rear-end collisions for a while now. Jeep is just the latest target.
The Crown Vic police car has had detractors for a long time. Same problem the Pinto(and Jeep,.. and about every other car.) had. Slam into the back of one doing 60 or 70 mph and the fuel tank can rupture. Jeep's response is the same one Ford has been using. The fuel tanks met then-current safety standards, and don't need to be upgraded just because there are newer, different standards.
The problem with the Pinto wasn't that it would burn. The problem was: Ford had tested the vehicle in rear end crashes, found it could burn in a high speed rear end collision, had an engineering fix (yep, install a plastic foam shield between the gas tank and rear axle) Then some bean counter did the math and figured out eleven dollars per car(pretty expensive back then) would cost more then paying off the statistically few families who had flambed relatives. Then they didn't destroy that paperwork. Somebody with a flambed relative found the paperwork. Crap like that don't look good to juries.
The Crown Vic police car has had detractors for a long time. Same problem the Pinto(and Jeep,.. and about every other car.) had. Slam into the back of one doing 60 or 70 mph and the fuel tank can rupture. Jeep's response is the same one Ford has been using. The fuel tanks met then-current safety standards, and don't need to be upgraded just because there are newer, different standards.
The problem with the Pinto wasn't that it would burn. The problem was: Ford had tested the vehicle in rear end crashes, found it could burn in a high speed rear end collision, had an engineering fix (yep, install a plastic foam shield between the gas tank and rear axle) Then some bean counter did the math and figured out eleven dollars per car(pretty expensive back then) would cost more then paying off the statistically few families who had flambed relatives. Then they didn't destroy that paperwork. Somebody with a flambed relative found the paperwork. Crap like that don't look good to juries.
xcm
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You could probably save hundreds of lives a year by forcing people to wear helmets everytime they leave their house, doesn't mean it's worth doing....
But dont give Chrysler/jeep credit for resisting, they are resisting because this recall would cost them money, it has nothing to do with them 'doing what's right' or resisting big government.
But dont give Chrysler/jeep credit for resisting, they are resisting because this recall would cost them money, it has nothing to do with them 'doing what's right' or resisting big government.
SonicCougar99
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I am convinced that some of these groups wouldnt be happy unless we all lived in self-containing bubbles.
bjoehandley
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Nah, then they'd find something to complain about then too.....like the bubbles being made from a toxic oil based plastic or an organic material that wastes something that they think can and should be put towards another purposehasta
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They're agreeing to it now. Adding trailer hitches to all the affected vehicles.
Now I really wish they'd recall the XJ too. My pretty jeep needs a hitch...
Robert
Now I really wish they'd recall the XJ too. My pretty jeep needs a hitch...
Robert
bjoehandley
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Well, if they do the XJ, mine's good!
SonicCougar99
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This is absolutely stupid. And of course the media is jumping head first into this. My local news just said "An issue with millions of Jeep's that could put thousands of drivers in danger." I nearly put my remote through the television. Ugh.
bjoehandley
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Apparently math wasn't the strong suit of the headline writer at that news station...........by a looooong, loooooooong shot.
joe_peters
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"The company's analysis shows the incident's at the focus of this request occur less than one time for every million years of vehicle operation,"
Ok.
Remember those folding gates people used to put at the top of stairs or in doorways to keep wayward children from getting hurt? They were around, unchanged, for something like 100 years. Then two kids get their heads stuck in them and MY LORD they had to be changed, and if you sold one of the old ones it was a CRIME!
ROTFLMFAO!
Sorry, I have sympathy for the families of those two kids, and regret the loss of so much human potential, but get real.
Ok.
Remember those folding gates people used to put at the top of stairs or in doorways to keep wayward children from getting hurt? They were around, unchanged, for something like 100 years. Then two kids get their heads stuck in them and MY LORD they had to be changed, and if you sold one of the old ones it was a CRIME!
ROTFLMFAO!
Sorry, I have sympathy for the families of those two kids, and regret the loss of so much human potential, but get real.
bjoehandley
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I saw a video from CNN the other night about this and there was an interview with a couple who couldn't get the young driver out of a burning GC behind their PT Cruiser. My whole problem with that story was that his Jeep was hit so hard by a semi while stopped in traffic that it was shoved into this couple's PT and likely totalled that too! Had this kid and his Jeep not been there, that semi would have likely been sitting in their back seat if not on top of them in the front seats! We also recently lost a Stat Trooper here who's Crown Vic was hit by a semi while parked on the side of the road. The truck crushed that CV down so far tht the car's back bumper was shoved into the front seat backs, and sounds like it killed the trooper insta tly....or at least I hope it did and he didn't suffer any.
dcampbell98XJ
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From what I have read the majority of these accidents involving grand Cherokees and casualties resulted from fires, is that they were almost all involved with a vehicle hitting them at a high rate of speed while stopped. And more or less involved being rear ended by a semi or similarly sided vehicle. If a jeep gets smashed up and mangled that bad what do you think happens if cars like Hondas get hit? Instant death? Today's new safety standards don't apply to older vehicles. Just like older homes aren't subject to modern building codes unless being remodeled.
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I haven't seen the final recall document so I don't know for sure. But, the article I read stated that around half of the vehicles that woud actually be repaired were ones that had an aftermarket trailer hitch installed. They will remove the aftermarket hitch and install a factory hitch. It is stupid how few of the "millions" of vehicles that are actually going to be fixed. Not much of a recall....
From this article...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chrysler-agrees-recall-jeeps-risk-fire-19432281
