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Advice for the Trail

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I was thinking we could have a thread to share advice for the trail. This can be anything from how to cook a killer burrito, to what not to do in a certain situation.

My .02 on a few subjects:

Cargo: Secure your cargo! This is a big pet peeve of mine. I hate having loose items bounce around in the Jeep. It's stupidly simple to run a ratchet strap or tie down over your cargo to secure it. If the unfortunate does happen and you do roll, flop, or wad up the Jeep you don't want big heavy items becoming projectiles. Try to keep things low and spread out to reduce your center of gravity. Lately I've even started strapping random things like camp chairs, and air hose reels.

Check out the Please share photos of your cargo area thread for ideas on securing your cargo.

Also, remember to buckle up. You might not be as lucky.


Throttle Control: Take it easy! You would be surprised sometimes how little wheel speed you actually need to make it through an obstacle. It's easier on parts, and makes you a better driver in my opinion. Pick your line when approaching an obstacle, and try to feel how the Jeep is responding. If you get denied, readjust, listen to your spotter and try again. If your doing 27mph and not going anywhere, you might want to assess the situation.

Spotting: One spotter. This is sometimes the most frustrating thing for a driver. When your on an obstacle and you have 5 people telling you what to do. This is when mistakes happen. Identify the person your going to listen to, and let them and only them tell you what to do. If your not the spotter and see something, then let the spotter know. Don't yell out "hey, bump it hard to the right!" Also, cheer leader moves can sometimes be useful to get the point across. :D

Trail Etiquette: Always keep track of the person behind you. A lot of time is often spent waiting to regroup because the group gets separated. When you come to a turn or intersection wait for the person behind you. If everyone follows this, then the group should never become separated.

Anyone have any other advice or tips to share?
 
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Keep your tools and recovery gear accessable - I am guilty of this and learned a lesson this weekend actually when my tires got a lil light on mini rubi. Have your straps and winch controls handy and within easy reach. Don't assume that someone else has what you may need, or knows where it is in your rig.

Tools - Keep the stuff you use regularly handy. I keep my tool box strapped down in the back, but I keep my valve stem remover, tire gauge, and the wrenches I use to check the usuall suspects tucked away up front where i can grab em quick if need be.

Was actually talking with Nick (blackjeep2.0) this weekend about organizing the cargo area. It really got me to thinking about what i use and where it should actually be located... food for thought.

Im also a big fan of the "go prepared" theory. ALWAYS plan and pack for the worst case senario! Tools, fluids, spare parts, food, clothing, water, etc... if your going for a day trip, pack for 2 days. if your going for a weekend, pack for a week ! It may seem overkill, but there is nothing worse than that "oh crap" feeling when something happens and you don't have what you need... i'd much rather come home with extras, than end up broken down for hours in the middle of BFE with nothing to eat or drink.
 
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I agree with what has been posted above and have very similar advice, but here are a few other details:

1. Cargo. Needs to not only be strapped down but I would prefer it be covered with a solid cover (tools in a box, not an open bag, etc). I have seen an unsecure speaker kill some. I have also seen an engine block kill someone. Most people just think, it is too heavy to move. NOT IN AN ACCIDENT!! ALL cargo needs to be secure!!

2. Alcohol. I know we have had these discussions in the past and everyone has their own perspective. DRINKING does not mix well with driving!! It is not fair to the others on the trail with you!! I would add guns to this list also. Weapons should not be seen, or loaded for the safety of the group.

3. CB. One of my largest issues when traveling in a group is the lack of CB's in the group that REALLY work. They should be installed, they should be tuned, and the operator should know how to adjust them. In addition, I wish more people understood basic CB handling so that the front/rear of the group as well as everyone else in the group knows what is happening.

4. Basic skills. I wish more people learned to wheel without TAD's. Learning to "read" a line, learning how your vehicle reacts in situations, learning where to place a tire and what to avoid, learning how much momentum and wheel speed is necessary are the most important skills to learn and they are often overlooked and lost "arts" off road.
 
2. Alcohol. I know we have had these discussions in the past and everyone has their own perspective. DRINKING does not mix well with driving!! It is not fair to the others on the trail with you!! I would add guns to this list also. Weapons should not be seen, or loaded for the safety of the group.

I'm concerned about how you lumped guns in with alcohol. Shooting safely and carrying loaded weapons by responsible people is NOT the same as illegally consuming alcoholic beverages and driving. Just because a person is afraid of firearms doesn't mean that it's illegal for everyone who realizes their potential. ;)

Your steering coming apart repeatedly is much more dangerous than me carrying a concealed pistol. Just sayin'.
 
Get a small duffle bag or diaper bag from goodwill to hold your first aid kit, toothbrush, paper towels, tp, baby wipes (a lifesaver sometimes) an extra flashlight, a roll of emergency tinfoil for cooking, etc. and cram it behind your seat.

for the commonly used tire tools, air line fittings, and some common jeep size metric wrenches these little tool bags work great and you can throw them under your seat or cram them in between the seat and center console
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Great, another thread about expected behavior.

Michael, your becoming kind of a:moon:. I like you and I think your a good trail leader but where does this stop? I don't think open toed sandals should be allowed on the trail, it's dangerous. If you don't have health insurance you shouldn't be on the trail. OMG, you wheel with a unibody rig with a D30, that's unacceptable.

If not endangered, where does anyone get off they have the right or even the responsibility to dictate the behavior of others? This is not advice, this is preaching and it rubs me the wrong way. Show me the deed for the trail and I will follow your rules, until then don't tell me what to do. If I see an intoxicated person with a gallon of Jack Daniels, a 44 mag on his hip do you know what I would do? (This is epic)














I WOULD LEAVE




Until I saw that person acting irresponsible I would not treat everyone with Jack daniels and a 44 Mag as irresponsible.

Advice (not preaching) on securing cargo, the golden rule, and CB's are spot on, although I think all of these are secondary to vehicle prep and maintenance.
 
Great, another thread about expected behavior.

Michael, your becoming kind of a:moon:. I like you and I think your a good trail leader but where does this stop? I don't think open toed sandals should be allowed on the trail, it's dangerous. If you don't have health insurance you shouldn't be on the trail. OMG, you wheel with a unibody rig with a D30, that's unacceptable.

If not endangered, where does anyone get off they have the right or even the responsibility to dictate the behavior of others? This is not advice, this is preaching and it rubs me the wrong way. Show me the deed for the trail and I will follow your rules, until then don't tell me what to do. If I see an intoxicated person with a gallon of Jack Daniels, a 44 mag on his hip do you know what I would do? (This is epic)














I WOULD LEAVE




Until I saw that person acting irresponsible I would not treat everyone with Jack daniels and a 44 Mag as irresponsible.

Advice (not preaching) on securing cargo, the golden rule, and CB's are spot on, although I think all of these are secondary to vehicle prep and maintenance.

thanks for saying what everyone was thinking. this thread is not for complaining, flaming, or arguing.
 
anyone else just sitting back and taking it all in? I'm actually thankful for this post, it took me awhile to feel "well prepared" in what i carry... but now i question my organization.. I needed a socket on the trail and remembered that my torque wrench was easily accessible, but my tool bag was NOT.. that sucked..

I do wish people paid more attention to the rig behind them.. im constantly looking in my rear view!..

Its not cool with me to drink and drive, unless you share.. I dont want to be sober when you rear end me due to being drunk.. just sayin'
 
I have backed into MANY times by guys who are drunk on the trail. Then again I have also been backed into by sober guys as well. So X2, look in your rear view mirror.
 
I know I can say I have learned quite a bit in the last 2 years from the guys on here that have helped break me in. I tend to keep my things in a box that is strapped down in the back, pack a bag for trash found, and a few other things.

I am not sure where guns are relevant here. I can see the other points made. :wierd: I always open carry. Now when I go to help someone wrench I will ask them if they are ok with it or not, after all it is their house. If they are not, it will go in the XJ. But out wheeling? I will do what I do in public if it wasn't legal I would not do it.
 
Okay I guess i will give my two cents sence you asked so nicely.

I really think there are many things for all of us to learn from people new to the sport to the seasoned vets.

SPOTTING: In my opinion when your spotting you really need to know the rigs capability and also the drivers comfort level. I try and push a new driver a little bit to let them know that there rig can most of the time do more then they are comfortable doing. With an exprienced driver you need to let them know what's going on out side there rig at all times.

DRIVING: coming from a spotters point of view if I'm soptting your rig I expect you to 100% trust me. There's nothing more worse then a driver who asked for a spotter than dosnt lisen to what I have to say. I will never put a driver in a spot that I don't think they can make it through with out doing damage to there rig. Allways try and keep it slow. And be willing to air down its amazing how just one pound can make a huge difference. There is always someone with air to fill you back up.

I'm probably the worst at strapping stuff down in my rig and I'm working on fixing that. I'm also im not the best at carrying spare parts so I'm also working on that. So guys these are just some of the things that I have noticed in the 6 years of wheeling that I have under my belt. I hope this added to the post and dosnt make to many people mad.
 
My advice: Don't be 'that guy' who knows something is wrong with his Jeep, yet jeopardizes the run and everyone else' enjoyment by breaking down. Nothing is more riling than someone who breaks and says, "Yeah I was wondering when that would finish itself off."

Listen to your spotter. If you don't trust that person, find someone else you trust. Conversely, don't have an inexperienced person spot for you.

Don't whine if you're asked to sit out a particular run because your Jeep doesn't meet certain requirements set forth by the trail leader. The leader is in their position because they want to make sure everyone is safe and having fun. Don't get butthurt; take it as an opportunity to get some passenger seat-time in a built rig. Shut up, pay attention, you'll probably learn something. ;)

Carry spares and adequate tools to change them. If you lack the experience to change them on the trail, help those helping you. Don't stand back and be an asshat while others are helping you out. It's rude.

Also, watch your XXXXing language in front of my kids. Be respectful.
 
I grew around guns so I am very comfortable around them, I understand that some people are not. I dont want to make anyone uncomfortable however I refuse to leave my gun at home or unload it, its my right after all to carry. I will try to keep my gun out of sight if the majority of the people I am around are uncomfortable with it. I must stress this point we do wheel with familys make sure your guns are secure, I dont want anyone to get hurt. I dont know really what this has to do with 4 wheeling but here we are. :)
 
Just a few things. Some of these are just general and obvious.

1. Listen to the run leader.
2. Everyone goes in together and everyone leaves together (some exceptions)
3. Patience for new drivers when they get stuck or are having troubles. Help them out.
4. Turn your rig off if you come across a horse back rider and let them pass by.
5. Safety is always key.
6. As Always Have Fun!! :cheers:
 
My advice: Don't be 'that guy' who knows something is wrong with his Jeep, yet jeopardizes the run and everyone else' enjoyment by breaking down. Nothing is more riling than someone who breaks and says, "Yeah I was wondering when that would finish itself off."

Well then I shouldnt wheel anymore, 35s on a Dana 30... I'm always wondering when it's going to kill it's self.
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FYI, I did a little thread clean-up. Try and keep things on topic please.

My advice: Don't be 'that guy' who knows something is wrong with his Jeep, yet jeopardizes the run and everyone else' enjoyment by breaking down. Nothing is more riling than someone who breaks and says, "Yeah I was wondering when that would finish itself off."

Listen to your spotter. If you don't trust that person, find someone else you trust. Conversely, don't have an inexperienced person spot for you.

Don't whine if you're asked to sit out a particular run because your Jeep doesn't meet certain requirements set forth by the trail leader. The leader is in their position because they want to make sure everyone is safe and having fun. Don't get butthurt; take it as an opportunity to get some passenger seat-time in a built rig. Shut up, pay attention, you'll probably learn something. ;)

Carry spares and adequate tools to change them. If you lack the experience to change them on the trail, help those helping you. Don't stand back and be an asshat while others are helping you out. It's rude.

Also, watch your XXXXing language in front of my kids. Be respectful.
Gotta say, I agree.

Well then I shouldnt wheel anymore, 35s on a Dana 30... I'm always wondering when it's going to kill it's self.
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I think what he means is, if you know your u-joint is toast (for example), don't come out on the trail crossing your fingers that it will hold up for another run. It goes along the lines of making sure your rig is at 100% before each run.

I've been guilty of this before. I went on the Firedrill Run wondering if my door was going to fall off. :D
 
Winching: Safety first. When handling steel cable use gloves. A splintered cable can easily slice open a hand. I carry a set of leather gloves in my center console for this purpose (yet I was guilty of not using them this weekend). Stay clear of the winch line when under load. There's a lot of potential energy stored up, and you don't want to be in it's path if it's released. Use a heavy jacket on the line, or cable weight if you can. Let the winch do the work. Don't try to over drive the winch. If you acquire slack, stop and let the winch catch up. If you over drive your winch you risk shock loading the line if you lose traction. Also, know the proper hand signals for winching (winch in, winch out, stop, etc).

Strapping: When using a tow strap, make sure it's connected to a solid point (tow hook tied in properly, receiver hitch, or axle if needed). Avoid choking the strap around it's self. Use additional straps and shackles if needed. When slack in the strap begins to be taken up, the stuck vehicle should start to slowly give it some gas. Just enough to turn the tires, and help provide some power for getting unstuck.
 
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