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jez95xj
October 27th, 2004, 09:36
I just finished this last weekend and a few people have asked me what I would charge if I was to make more. what do you think a good price is? I used 1 5/8 tube and surrco feet that I coped to the tube.
go here to check out the picsI have no clue how to post pics.

http://ericwilhelm.homeip.net/joey/roofrack/index.html
witt
October 27th, 2004, 09:41
i like the wood roof rack better..
http://ericwilhelm.homeip.net/joey/roofrack/images/pa080027.jpg

lol j/k.. nice RACK man....
you got a NICE RACK


alrite.. ill stop....
Gridikal
October 27th, 2004, 10:11
lol I like the above shot- nice use of the roof...not a bad lookin rack either
RichP
October 27th, 2004, 10:42
lol I like the above shot- nice use of the roof...not a bad lookin rack either

Oh man, I agree LOL, super way to get those 12 pieces of sheetrock home from the lumber store. I might just have to get some kind of brush guard on my new front bumper so I can attach some 2x4's to it and my surco roof rack just for that purpose...
copperhead
October 27th, 2004, 10:48
and with the sheetrock up there, you know you will always be parked in the shade.


As for the other roof rack, looks good. I'm not in the market for one at this time, and don't knwo what you should charge to make them for others.

-Copperhead
Beej
October 27th, 2004, 10:50
How much does it weigh? And what are the actual dimensions? Height, width, length.
B.
ChuckD
October 27th, 2004, 11:09
I like the look but those Surco gutter mounts are really weak.

Since it's on the small side, they should be able to handle a small spare like a 31, and some light camping euipment. I wouldn't count on carrying spare parts up there.
MaXJohnson
October 27th, 2004, 11:33
How much does it weigh?

and another thing, how much does it weigh?

That size tube looks like way overkill for a roof rack.

How much does it weigh?
jez95xj
October 27th, 2004, 11:35
the mounts do seem week but I have my 33 inch spare up there. A buddy and I were both up there right after I finished it and nothing moved at all.

Its like 43 x 60. and 4 inches tall. it only sits 1/4 inch off of the roof at the highest point.
jez95xj
October 27th, 2004, 11:36
the tube is really thin walled. it weighs around 60 pounds maybe.
Gridikal
October 27th, 2004, 11:37
Oh man, I agree LOL, super way to get those 12 pieces of sheetrock home from the lumber store. I might just have to get some kind of brush guard on my new front bumper so I can attach some 2x4's to it and my surco roof rack just for that purpose... i was refering to the pics in his gallery when he got up on the roof of the garage to take the pics- he posted the pic after i already posted :D
crystalship1
October 27th, 2004, 11:49
Very nice looking rack!!!! http://www.naxja.org/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

I just finished this last weekend and a few people have asked me what I would charge if I was to make more. what do you think a good price is? I used 1 5/8 tube and surrco feet that I coped to the tube.
go here to check out the picsI have no clue how to post pics.

http://ericwilhelm.homeip.net/joey/roofrack/index.html
pbureau
October 27th, 2004, 12:39
Now that is a sexy thing... but you need to powder coat it the same color of the truck or something or get a nice coat of urethane.... (grin)

http://ericwilhelm.homeip.net/joey/roofrack/images/pa080027.jpg
jez95xj
October 27th, 2004, 12:43
thats what I was thinking. I may just use it for a parade float. no matter how silly it is it did the job that it needed to do.
Joe
October 27th, 2004, 18:03
http://ericwilhelm.homeip.net/joey/roofrack/images/pa080027.jpg


I think maybe you should have used 4X4 studs so they can hold more weight :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
ChuckD
October 28th, 2004, 08:58
the mounts do seem week but I have my 33 inch spare up there. A buddy and I were both up there right after I finished it and nothing moved at all.

Its like 43 x 60. and 4 inches tall. it only sits 1/4 inch off of the roof at the highest point.


Well, it's not really about how much static weight they can hold. I knwo the trails I ride, I can really get my Xj rocking. That constant side to side motion really works those gutter mounts, the gutter itself can flex a lot. With that, my Surco rack and mounts didn't last long on a trip to the Rubicon.
Ludakris
October 28th, 2004, 13:47
WOW, I have never thought of using pressure treated for an exocage... and I was thinking DOM tubing.... Off to HD I go....
the other Rack is nice too...
FrankNBrew
October 29th, 2004, 05:58
i like the wood roof rack better..
http://ericwilhelm.homeip.net/joey/roofrack/images/pa080027.jpg

lol j/k.. nice RACK man....
you got a NICE RACK


alrite.. ill stop....

Run some 5/4 x 6 Trex decking diagonally, add a cedar railing, and you got yourself a nice mobile party deck. Git er' done.
Roxtar
October 29th, 2004, 06:42
Very nice. I really like the look of the large diameter tubing. The mounts should be fine. The actual load bearing is done by the bent steel bar you have welded to the rack which looks like serious overkill (which makes it perfect in my book) The plates that bolt to it merely keep it from flying off.
Matt S.
October 29th, 2004, 07:16
I am agree completly with Chuck. Gutter mounts have NO stability to them. great for luggage, bad for EVERYTHING else. Think about it like this. Your rack, is a STRONGER structure than your JEEP. PERIOD. As your Jeep flexes and twists the body much more than most people think, your rack doesnt. In a relativly short time, with wheeling of course, those mounts will be done. Finito. Worthless.

Dont get me wrong about the rack, i like the looks for sure. But with all the time you have into the rack itself, you should consider mounting it better. JMO.

Matt
Roxtar
October 29th, 2004, 08:15
I am agree completly with Chuck. Gutter mounts have NO stability to them. great for luggage, bad for EVERYTHING else. Think about it like this. Your rack, is a STRONGER structure than your JEEP. PERIOD. As your Jeep flexes and twists the body much more than most people think, your rack doesnt. In a relativly short time, with wheeling of course, those mounts will be done. Finito. Worthless.

Dont get me wrong about the rack, i like the looks for sure. But with all the time you have into the rack itself, you should consider mounting it better. JMO.

Matt(voice of Tom Hanks in Ladykillers) "I agree... and yet dis-agree."
With a unibody some of the strongest points are the pinch seams. The gutter is one massive pinch seam. Added is the fact that it is a corner seam (triangulated) which makes it even stronger. That section of the roof is much stronger than any part of the top, which is purely a sheet metal skin, reinforced by ribbing underneath. The weakness in the gutter is that you're pushing down on a flange. Whenever you gutter mount anything try to get as far inside as you can. You want to be squeezing in on the roof section rather than than the outer flange.
As ideal mount might be a full length rail, resting on the gutter but bolted through the roof at an angle, squeezing it to the inside of the gutter. This would lessen the leverage applied to the flange.
Matt S.
October 29th, 2004, 11:04
(voice of Tom Hanks in Ladykillers) "I agree... and yet dis-agree."
With a unibody some of the strongest points are the pinch seams. The gutter is one massive pinch seam. Added is the fact that it is a corner seam (triangulated) which makes it even stronger. That section of the roof is much stronger than any part of the top, which is purely a sheet metal skin, reinforced by ribbing underneath. The weakness in the gutter is that you're pushing down on a flange. Whenever you gutter mount anything try to get as far inside as you can. You want to be squeezing in on the roof section rather than than the outer flange.
As ideal mount might be a full length rail, resting on the gutter but bolted through the roof at an angle, squeezing it to the inside of the gutter. This would lessen the leverage applied to the flange.


To quote you again! I agree yet i disagree.

Yes the gutter is "triangulated" and i would suppose that if you could somehow test the load capabilities at specific points, that the gutter would be the strongest point. BUT! Lets say you have 6 total mounts that are 4 inches long, you will have 24 inches of surface area. In my case, along with many others, throw a 35"+ tire up there with a steel rim, AND a fully packed ice chest and luggage. Your at LEAST 250 lbs.

That wieght is not pushing on the triangulated portion of the gutter. It is twisting the gutter. Usually youll be fine with that. Now go run the Dusy Ershim trail, where you are looking at a 3 to 4 day trek, and the rack mosy likely would have walked on the mounts. eventually this will do some bad stuff!

All I am sayin is it you are ganna use a rack FOR IT INTENDED purpose, buy or build it right. Maybe that is running full rails on the gutter, maybe its putting rails on the roof itself, or could be both. My PERSONAL preferance is the use rails. In my case I am able to tie it to my cage. Which you couldnt do with any type of gutter mount. Ach, it doesnt really matter anywho. :laugh3:

Matt
Roxtar
October 29th, 2004, 11:21
To quote you again! I agree yet i disagree.

Yes the gutter is "triangulated" and i would suppose that if you could somehow test the load capabilities at specific points, that the gutter would be the strongest point. BUT! Lets say you have 6 total mounts that are 4 inches long, you will have 24 inches of surface area. In my case, along with many others, throw a 35"+ tire up there with a steel rim, AND a fully packed ice chest and luggage. Your at LEAST 250 lbs.

That wieght is not pushing on the triangulated portion of the gutter. It is twisting the gutter. Usually youll be fine with that. Now go run the Dusy Ershim trail, where you are looking at a 3 to 4 day trek, and the rack mosy likely would have walked on the mounts.

All I am sayin is it you are ganna use a rack FOR IT INTENDED purpose, buy or build it right. Maybe that is running full rails on the gutter, maybe its putting rails on the roof itself, or could be both. My PERSONAL preferance is the use rails. In my case I am able to tie it to my cage. Which you couldnt do with any type of gutter mount. Ach, it doesnt really matter anywho. :laugh3:

Matt
I agree
jez95xj
October 31st, 2004, 09:33
To quote you again! I agree yet i disagree.

Yes the gutter is "triangulated" and i would suppose that if you could somehow test the load capabilities at specific points, that the gutter would be the strongest point. BUT! Lets say you have 6 total mounts that are 4 inches long, you will have 24 inches of surface area. In my case, along with many others, throw a 35"+ tire up there with a steel rim, AND a fully packed ice chest and luggage. Your at LEAST 250 lbs.

That wieght is not pushing on the triangulated portion of the gutter. It is twisting the gutter. Usually youll be fine with that. Now go run the Dusy Ershim trail, where you are looking at a 3 to 4 day trek, and the rack mosy likely would have walked on the mounts. eventually this will do some bad stuff!

All I am sayin is it you are ganna use a rack FOR IT INTENDED purpose, buy or build it right. Maybe that is running full rails on the gutter, maybe its putting rails on the roof itself, or could be both. My PERSONAL preferance is the use rails. In my case I am able to tie it to my cage. Which you couldnt do with any type of gutter mount. Ach, it doesnt really matter anywho. :laugh3:

Matt


So are you saying that I should make a new rail? like 2x2 square tube along where the factory rails are? if I do something like that how woul.d you mount the rack to it? or would you just make it a perminant fixture.