Silencerco Johnny Dronehunter

[WB9YZU]

Interesting video, and not just a bit tongue and cheek.
Couldn't repost from my phone, but will later.

Anyone else seen the video? It's an advertisement for a shotgun silencer.
Appearany the story line is Johnny is driving down the road minding his own business when he gets forced off the road by a pack of drones.
Of course, he does what any red blooded American does, he reaches in the trunk and pulls out his silenced shotgun and gives them a lead bath

-Ron

 

[devildog0]

He destroys about 7,000 dollars worth of quadcopter in this video lol.

 

[urban yan]

LOL Johnny Dronehunter: Defender of Privacy... and Seller of Meth.

 

[raze1287]

He destroys about 7,000 dollars worth of quadcopter in this video lol.

At 1400 a piece for the suppressors they will make it back pretty quick.

 

[devildog0]

and Seller of Meth.

I was thinking that when I first saw the car and all the tats haha.

 

[AIbandit]

At 1400 a piece for the suppressors they will make it back pretty quick.

I know 20 decibels is a lot but on a 160 decibel shotgun is it really worth 1400$ to have a 140 decibel shotgun?

 

[87manche]

I know 20 decibels is a lot but on a 160 decibel shotgun is it really worth 1400$ to have a 140 decibel shotgun?

yes.
decibel measurements are logarithmic, not linear. 20DB is a very significant reduction.
That takes you from painful to hearing safe. Most earmuffs aren't even going to give you a 20DB reduction.

 

[raze1287]

I know 20 decibels is a lot but on a 160 decibel shotgun is it really worth 1400$ to have a 140 decibel shotgun?

Yes it will make a considerable difference. My aac 308 can was 750 plus the 200 dollar stamp and that states 30db drop. Still waiting to get everything back to pick it up. But there is a big difference between a 30 cal can and one for 12 gauge. I think in a few months the prices will drop on them. That's right around the same price for a surefire can

 

[AIbandit]

I know it's not linear but 140 db is still loud and can cause permanent ear damage, silencer is not the right word for it.

2 lbs and 12 inches added to the end of your barrel, it's a gimmick.

According to this table it's close to an inch per decibel so 12db of your $1400's effectiveness is just adding 12" of barrel

12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB
26" barrel 156.10dB
18 " barrel 161.50dB

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052

 

[tbburg]

So,.. at the risk of sounding too,.. rational. How do you get chased off the pavement by by any number of 10lb quadcopters when you're driving a 4K lb. car? A determined driver could literally stay on the road and push a Hughes 500D or Bell JetRanger out of his way and drive off in that car.
Also, if you were driving around in a swarm of quadcopters, wouldn't you be safer inside the car with the windows rolled up?
Are you sure this guy isn't "using" instead of "selling" meth? 'Cause I'm pretty sure he's tripping. Heck, he may be hallucinating the 'quads.

How does a suppressor work with a shotgun anyway? Wouldn't the first couple baffles inside the suppressor strip the plastic wad once it cleared the end of the barrel and started to open? Figure 10-20% of the shot charge would get hung up inside the suppressor body, deforming the baffles etc. That whole mess is now sitting there to catch even more of the following charge. How many shots could you even get off before the suppressor was clogged with wadding and deformed shot?
The only way I see this working is to build the suppressor right on to a long barrel. Laser cut or EDM a bunch of perforations into the last foot or so of the barrel, leaving enough barrel material intact to contain the shot charge/wadding, and attach the baffles and can to cover the cuts. I don't see that design working too well as a suppressor though.

On a side note,.. Anybody filed the paperwork for a suppressor recently? How long does that take these days? Last year the guys at the local gun store told me ATFE was holding paperwork for up to six months before approval.

 

[WB9YZU]

Thanks for posting the Video.

Those unarmed quadcopters are totally dangerous!! It's like the Zombie apocalypse, but in the Sky (They keep coming and coming, and coming)...Alright, that sounded a bit like an energizer bunny porn movie :gag:

I think it was more of a play on politics. Utah, and a couple other places wanted to sell Drone hunting permits, but were...shot down... by the Feds.

As for the dynamics of a silencer, I don't know. All I know is what I see in the movies in that a Plastic Coke bottle will work as one (or so it's portrayed) by allowing the gases to expand. You have a point about the shuttle. How do they get gas back to the gas operated autoloaders? I'm thinking it's along those lines.

-Ron

 

[87manche]

I know it's not linear but 140 db is still loud and can cause permanent ear damage, silencer is not the right word for it.

2 lbs and 12 inches added to the end of your barrel, it's a gimmick.

According to this table it's close to an inch per decibel so 12db of your $1400's effectiveness is just adding 12" of barrel

12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB
26" barrel 156.10dB
18 " barrel 161.50dB

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052

which is why they are called suppressors. The only people that call them silencers is hollywood.

It has guide rods inside the body to keep the wad and shot together before it exits the muzzle.

regardless of it's usage or practicality, no one should care. It's nice that it is available, and if someone chooses to spend $1400 (plus stamp) on a suppressor that's their business.
I could certainly see it being useful to tame muzzle flash from a SBS, and fowl hunters might like them.

 

[87manche]

As for the dynamics of a silencer, I don't know. All I know is what I see in the movies in that a Plastic Coke bottle will work as one (or so it's portrayed) by allowing the gases to expand.
no, and attempting to do so is an instant felony.
You have a point about the shuttle. How do they get gas back to the gas operated autoloaders? I'm thinking it's along those lines.

just like any other time. in fact if you're going to shoot suppressed most autoloading anything requires you to restrict the gas back to the action because the suppressor increases the pressure and volume of gas back into the system.

-Ron

 

[WB9YZU]

Nate,
Legalities aside...

So far it doesn't cost anything to BS on a Jeep Forum about video's and movie nonsense.

Please tell me again why it is exactly that you can't attach a $1.79 2 liter bottle to your weapon if you pay the $200 ATF fee and put a serial number on it ? (Not that they wouldn't laugh hysterically and take your money anyway)

How exactly does a suppressor function?
It would seem at 1st blush that if you reduce the pressure of the gasses by allowing them to expand in a controlled fashion before exiting the muzzle that would be quieter than allowing the high velocity gasses to cause a shockwave when they exit the barrel at full pressure. So if you used a load with a low enough gas volume, say a .22 short, why wouldn't a 2 liter bottle make the shot quieter?

You answered the Shuttle question with the Guides answer - it makes sense.

-Ron

 

[devildog0]

Suppressors generally use a series of baffles. Think of a muffler.

They're really not that complicated. You can make one (registering it and all that jazz) using some pipe and washers welded in place properly.

One guy made an adapter that simply uses an oil filter. There's a few videos online of it. The adapter is considered the suppressor apparently and the oil filters are considered "wipes" and replaceable.

http://www.thebangswitch.com/sound-suppressors-wipes-dry-and-wet/

 

[sardo_67]

I know it's not linear but 140 db is still loud and can cause permanent ear damage, silencer is not the right word for it.

2 lbs and 12 inches added to the end of your barrel, it's a gimmick.

According to this table it's close to an inch per decibel so 12db of your $1400's effectiveness is just adding 12" of barrel

12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB
26" barrel 156.10dB
18 " barrel 161.50dB

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2052

suppressors are the lift, big tires and lockers of the gun world, you don't need any of them just like you don't need a lifted jeep but it's sure as shit fun to use them both. even better at the same time

 

[87manche]

Nate,
Legalities aside...

So far it doesn't cost anything to BS on a Jeep Forum about video's and movie nonsense.

Please tell me again why it is exactly that you can't attach a $1.79 2 liter bottle to your weapon if you pay the $200 ATF fee and put a serial number on it ? (Not that they wouldn't laugh hysterically and take your money anyway)

How exactly does a suppressor function?
It would seem at 1st blush that if you reduce the pressure of the gasses by allowing them to expand in a controlled fashion before exiting the muzzle that would be quieter than allowing the high velocity gasses to cause a shockwave when they exit the barrel at full pressure. So if you used a load with a low enough gas volume, say a .22 short, why wouldn't a 2 liter bottle make the shot quieter?

You answered the Shuttle question with the Guides answer - it makes sense.

-Ron

you could, but that would be incredibly stupid.
I was merely cautioning those reading that think they can just duct tape a 2 liter bottle to a .22 and go shooting. that's a felony offense.
The BATFE holds the opinion (everything is their opinion)that anything that will reduce the noise of a firearm, even if it's .00001db, is a suppressor, and thus an NFA item that requires a tax stamp.

As was mentioned, there are adapters to do just that, but the adapter is the registered part.

You've got the right notion about using subsonic loads. to truly make the most of a suppressor you can't have a super sonic bullet, because it will still make that distinctive crack leaving the suppressor if it's super sonic. That's why .300BLK has enjoyed such a rise in popularity, because it can do subsonic loads and still have enough energy to be worth something downrange. That's why AAC developed it, to be a suppressed round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_AAC_Blackout_(7.62×35mm)

 

[AIbandit]

suppressors are the lift, big tires and lockers of the gun world, you don't need any of them just like you don't need a lifted jeep but it's sure as shit fun to use them both. even better at the same time

This one is more like the chrome painted plastic bling you can buy at oreilly.