well i would rather have the bolt in one over nothing, but that is a different thread. i do plan to remove the dash anyhow for a complete interior swap so i will need to see how much fab work is needed. and what would be sacrificed. i do like T&Js cage design, but i again would like it to go through the dash. my dilemma is that i would like to use 1.75" tube, but i only have either the 1.50" and 2" dies for my jd2 bender. after buying the $300 die, shipping, and tubing, it may be more economical to just buy the T&J cage. (T&J uses 1.75"). i know the ideal design would be to do an exo cage, but i just can not talk the wife into it yet. she thinks they look funny. maybe if i take her out to see all the jeeps with them out there she will change her mind.