Gastapo! Can we not post freely anymore?

[96XJ_4.0]

I suggested to a member to relocate his cat further downstream as anfix for heat soak issues. I never once said to "gut" the cats and leave them installed.

Anyway, I recieved an infraction for a post I clearly never made.

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Dear 96XJ_4.0,

You have received an infraction at Forums -::- North American XJ Association.

Reason: Advocating illegal 'wheeling.
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You are receiving this infraction for advocating removal of federally mandated emissions items (catalytic converter). Even if the cat is left in place, and hollowed out (as you seem to suggest) that is still illegal. We (4wd enthusiasts) have enough issues with the environmentalists without our members and users openly posting about breaking federal law. I suggest that you bring your vehicles back to legality, and that you stop publicly posting about performing such modifications.

I will be editing or deleting your posts. If this occurs again in the future, harsher penalties, such as temporary loss of posting privileges could ensue.

Thank you for your cooperation.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
https://driven2services.com/staging/naxja/xf/index.php?posts/244849480/

Personally, cut the cats, get a normal style pre 2000 cat setup for an OBD2 4.0 and call it solved.


I read about this all to much on what should be the MOST reliable xjs!

Right? The last shoulda been the BEST!!!!????????

All the best,
Forums -::- North American XJ Association

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How do I clear this up? And why can some forum moderator do and say what they please, even when it's clearly not the truth?

A little reading into the thread, a person would clearly see I suggest catalytic convertor REPLACEMENT and NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "GUTTING" a cat!

Crazy.

 

[Phil]

Some people shouldn't moderate without their morning coffee?

 

[96XJ_4.0]

Yea. I just checked to original post.

He edited it also...?

Mod: Removal or modification of federally mandated emissions equipment is highly illegal, in ALL 50 states.

LoL. Yea. I never suggested anyone else actually do this!

 

[Johnnie Walker]

Well, some people use flex pipe between the down pipe/cat. So in theory that would "move" the cat. But not modify or dismantle the cat.

 

[96XJ_4.0]

Well, some people use flex pipe between the down pipe/cat. So in theory that would "move" the cat. But not modify or dismantle the cat.

I may have said something about my lowered, motor swapped Escort not having a cat and still passing californias stringent emmisions.

But, I never once suggested this as a fix for anything on the 4.0.

I simply suggest to move the cat downstream to allow the heat soak to dissipate out the back of the car, lowering underhood temps.

 

[Skreed]

I know it's upsetting but try to go on other Xj forums you get warned edited and deleted if you sneeze wrong.

 

[cracked-butt]

welcome to the NEW America... not the same as when we was growin up!

 

[Darky]

Reading what you wrote, you told someone with a 2000 to remove the cats that came from the factory and replace them with cats from a prior year. That would be modifying/removing the stock emissions system and replacing it with a "lesser" year's cats.

Personally, cut the cats, get a normal style pre 2000 cat setup for an OBD2 4.0 and call it solved.

That's most likely where the problem came in. I don't see where he got the idea you suggested gutting the cats though. :dunno:

 

[Coastie]

Have you talked to the person that gave you the infraction yet? Or just come here guns a blazing?

 

[96XJ_4.0]

I pm'd him.

No reply.

 

[xcm]

he didnt read the original post, i guess he doesnt read his PM's either.

 

[Darky]

Reading what you wrote, you told someone with a 2000 to remove the cats that came from the factory and replace them with cats from a prior year. That would be modifying/removing the stock emissions system and replacing it with a "lesser" year's cats.

That's most likely where the problem came in. I don't see where he got the idea you suggested gutting the cats though. :dunno:

In case you missed it.

Here in CA, they're very strict about cats. That's why it cost $200 to get a cat now...

 

[96XJ_4.0]

Reading what you wrote, you told someone with a 2000 to remove the cats that came from the factory and replace them with cats from a prior year. That would be modifying/removing the stock emissions system and replacing it with a "lesser" year's cats.

That's most likely where the problem came in. I don't see where he got the idea you suggested gutting the cats though. :dunno:

OBD2 cats are universal. As long as flow rates and platinum purity is the same.


It really makes no difference. Go to an exhaust shop and ask to have the cat replaced.

*NO shop in California will refer you to the dealer. They know the dealer will charge 1000$+ to replace the same catalytic convertor system as one that shop can install for ~300$.

What the law states is that a factory catalytic convertor has to be in place.
OE AND OEM ARE ACCEPTABLE FACTORY REPLACEMENTS AS LONG AS THEY FOLLOW THE SAME STRICT GUIDELINES.

This is why OBD1 cats are ~50$ and OBD2 style cats(containing much more platinum and purer) are 4 times the price.

Period.

 

[96XJ_4.0]

In case you missed it.

Here in CA, they're very strict about cats. That's why it cost $200 to get a cat now...

Now. In case I missed it...
Where is that post of mine stating that He should replace the cats with OBD1?

Hmmm....nope. Didn't say that either.

 

[Boatwrench]

Moving the cat further up or down stream is a modification of the vehicle exhaust system.
Replacing the cat with one that was not designed for the year vehicle is a modification of the exhaust system.

Those aren't rules, those are federally mandated vehicle regulations.

I believe that the 00XJ has two cats and two O2 sensors, does the pre 2000 OBD-II come with the same? If not.....

Darky is correct, the four wheeling community has enough to worry about with the eco-terrorists attempting to close down the public lands to motorized traffic, we as a group do not need to give them anymore ammunition.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

Do ALL of the later XJ's stated have the pre-cat?
Here is an example of variations of exhaust within the same vehicle. At some point in the 3rd gen Dakota's SOME of them had 2 pre-cats + 1 downstream cat, however the other ones had only 1 downstream cat.

 

[tbburg]

Do ALL of the later XJ's stated have the pre-cat?
Here is an example of variations of exhaust within the same vehicle. At some point in the 3rd gen Dakota's SOME of them had 2 pre-cats + 1 downstream cat, however the other ones had only 1 downstream cat.

Sounds like one of those"CARB"compliant/49state issues on the Dak.
As far as I know, all the XJs that got the 0331 head/cast 2-piece exhaust manifold also had the pre-cats. (All '00-up XJs)but it probably depends on production date more then model year.

 

[Darky]

Now. In case I missed it...
Where is that post of mine stating that He should replace the cats with OBD1?

Hmmm....nope. Didn't say that either.

I never mentioned an OBD-I, never said you did either. I never mentioned the dealer having to do it either, hence why I said we now have to pay $200. A universal used to be $80, now we have to buy the one for our specific year of vehicle. My 85 Nissan pickup's cat cost me $250.

You said to use a pre-2000 cat on a 2000 XJ, technically that's against the law. It may seem a minor thing (it is) but we can't allow recommendations for even minor infractions.

 

[MT Mike]

I suggested to a member to relocate his cat further downstream as anfix for heat soak issues. I never once said to "gut" the cats and leave them installed.

Anyway, I recieved an infraction for a post I clearly never made.

How do I clear this up? And why can some forum moderator do and say what they please, even when it's clearly not the truth?

A little reading into the thread, a person would clearly see I suggest catalytic convertor REPLACEMENT and NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "GUTTING" a cat!

Crazy.

I may have said something about my lowered, motor swapped Escort not having a cat and still passing californias stringent emmisions.

But, I never once suggested this as a fix for anything on the 4.0.

I simply suggest to move the cat downstream to allow the heat soak to dissipate out the back of the car, lowering underhood temps.

:rattle:
You're a crybaby. You post about driving a POS Escort with no cat. ILLEGAL. You post about about replacing a late style catalytic converter with an earlier style, non pre-cat style converter. ALSO ILLEGAL.
You inferred in a post later in the same thread that a shell of a catalytic converter was as good as the the real thing, ALSO ILLEGAL, which is where the gutting part of the infraction came from. You deserved every bit of the infraction. Take it like a man. Learn from it and move on.
:twak:

For you to air dirty laundry in public rather than wait for a response to your oh so urgent PM is a childish move on your part. I stand by my reasons for your infraction. Feel free to petition the BOD for a removal of the infraction if you feel you have a chance. I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is now closed.

 

[GrimmJeeper]

:rattle:
You're a crybaby.

I have to agree with Mike here. Ranting about it doesn't help your case any, if anything it is making you look even more foolish.

The rules are in place for a reason, if you don't like it there are plenty of other places on the web to hang out.