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9.4 MILLION acres slated to close in Moab. Please take action NOW.

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Sorry guys, this is posted in the land use section, but the truth is, that section just does not get enough traffic. A lot of people don't even know this is happening. Please don't move it.

Here is a link you should check out along with the thread on pirate.

http://blogs.4wheeloffroad.com/6563368/miscellaneous/moab-might-be-gone-forever/index.html

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824685

Congress to Vote on H.R. 1925 America's Red Rock Wilderness Act This Thursday!(this was yesterday)

Moab Might Be Gone Forever!

Posted Today 01:35 PM by 4WOR Web Editor

Filed under: Miscellaneous, Jason Gonderman



The Chairman of the Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands of the U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources has scheduled a hearing on October 1 to consider H.R. 1925, America's Red Rock Wilderness Act of 2009.

This legislation -- which will ban off-highway vehicle (OHV) access to public lands to those who live and recreate in
Utah -- was introduced by New York Representative Maurice Hinchey.


However, not a single Representative from Utah is supporting H.R.1925.

Specifically, H.R. 1925 would designate more than nine million more acres as federally protected "Wilderness," and directly affect the Moab, San Rafael Swell and Chimney Rock areas (to name a few) in Utah.

These popular OHV areas represent some of the most important remaining OHV recreation areas in Utah, and are some of the most popular with responsible OHV riders. The proposed Wilderness designation would also make the land off limits to ATV riders, mountain bikers and horseback
riders.

Coming on the heels of the recently enacted Omnibus Public Land Management Act, which closed 2 million acres of public lands, this vast Wilderness bill will take away additional recreation opportunities currently enjoyed by local residents and visitors alike.

The AMA needs your help now to stop H.R. 1925. The fastest way to reach your U.S. Representative is to call them. You can find contact information for your elected officials by entering your zip code on AmericanMotorcyclist.com, clicking on "Rights," then "Issues and Legislation." Additionally, a prewritten e-mail is available for you to send to your Representative immediately by following the "Take
Action" option and entering your information.

Please contact your Representative right away and urge them to oppose H.R. 1925.

It's VERY VERY SIMPLE! Just click here...

http://capwiz.com/amacycle/issues/al...ertid=14061961

... and you will be taken to the AMA's (American Motorcycle
Association) website. Enter your zip code and a letter will be sent to your representative urging them to vote NO on this bill.

Do it NOW! please
Everybody help this Bill Fail!!!



Clash of Viewpoints on Public Land Ownership and Protection Arrives in Congress in the Form of Red Rock Wilderness Legislation

Posted October 1st, 2009 by Kurt Repanshek

The curious landscape of White Wash Dunes along the Green River some dozen miles south of the town of Green River would be protected as wilderness under legislation that received a congressional hearing Thursday. Kurt Repanshek photo. Accompanying map shows where proposed wilderness lies. A larger map can be found at this site: http://www.suwa.org/site/PageServer?...WAclickablemap

Contrasting views on how public lands should be managed and enjoyed collided in a congressional committee hearing Thursday as distinct lines were drawn over whether more than 9 million acres of red-rock landscape in Utah's outback should be protected as official wilderness or left open for off-road vehicles, mountain bikes, and energy development.

After languishing for decades, the Red Rock Wilderness Act received its first congressional hearing before the House Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests, and Public Lands. As expected, Utah officials lined up to criticize the legislation, which would set aside 9.4 million acres, much of it wrapping Canyonlands, Arches and Capitol Reef national parks as well as Glen Canyon National Recreation Area.

The landscape in question ranges from sagebrush-studded high desert and rugged mountainscapes to delicately sculpted canyonlands, from surprisingly lush riparian areas to rippled sand dunes that shift with the winds. Many areas hide vast and rich paleontological burial grounds as well as archaeological remains and artifacts from thousands of years ago. Delicate rock-art drawings are hidden away in alcoves; those that are not often become targets for would-be sharpshooters. Hawks wheel in the skies overhead, rattlesnakes and lizards slither and skitter across the landscape, while mountain lions and ringtail cats can be found here, too, as can delicate and rare wildflowers. To many it's a mesmerizing and beautiful landscape that should be protected. Others see it as a wasteland with no intrinsic values.

Neither the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, a long-time proponent of the legislation, nor federal land managers are highly viewed by many in Utah, and the prospect of creating wilderness that would be off-limits to energy development, off-road vehicles, and even mountain biking raises many hackles in the state.

"The bill, sponsored by Rep. Maurice Hinchey of New York, is not supported by a single member of the Utah delegation. The amount of land proposed for this designation is overwhelming — it is the approximate equivalent of the size of the State of Maryland," Utah Gov. Gary Herbert said in prepared comments presented to the subcommittee. "The State of Utah recognizes that the lands proposed for wilderness designation by this bill, lands that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management, are owned by the American people. However, we also find this proposal is, and always has been, an unrealistic and unvetted allocation of the natural resources of this great State. The proposal has not been presented by the sponsor to the many stakeholders in this issue, particularly the rural citizens who feel so passionately about the matter. Nor has the sponsor sought to balance the laudable goal of preserving our stunning scenic resources against the nation’s needs for wildlife conservation, recreational pursuits, and energy."

While Robert Abbey, director of the U.S. Bureau of Land Management that manages the lands in question, told the committee that many of the lands targeted by the legislation were "extraordinary, with unmatched wild land resources," he said the BLM has not closely reviewed each acre in question to determine its qualifications for wilderness designation. Beyond that, he, too, noted the contentiousness of wilderness designation in Utah.

"We also know that some of the areas proposed for designation present serious challenges because of existing and conflicting uses. For example, recreational use has exploded on public lands throughout the West, including in southern and eastern Utah. While many recreational activities, such as hunting and hiking, are compatible with BLM wilderness designation, others, such as mountain biking and OHV use, are not," Mr. Abbey said in his prepared comments. "OHV use, either in designated motorized use areas or on designated road networks, also presents serious conflicts in a number of wilderness areas proposed in H.R.1925, including Goldbar Canyon (section 104 (b)(8)) and Duma Point (section 108 (b)(5)). About 70 percent of the proposed Goldbar area is within BLM's Gemini Bridges/Poison Spider Mesa Backcountry Motorized Touring Focus Area; as many as 800 vehicles per day access this area. Similarly, we estimate that over 21,000 OHVs use the Duma area annually."

But in urging the subcommittee to support the legislation, Rocky Anderson, Salt Lake City's former mayor, not only invoked the word's of renowned conservationist Wallace Stegner but also touched on the growing popularity of low-impact recreation as well as on climate change and how off-road vehicles can contribute to it by disturbing soils that are blown away by storms only to settle on higher elevation snowfields, where they hasten melting.

"In 1960, Wallace Stegner, a westerner and former Utahn, articulated the imperative for wilderness with these words:

'Something will have gone out of us as a people if we ever let the remaining wilderness be destroyed; if we permit the last virgin forests to be turned into comic books and plastic cigarette cases; if we drive the few remaining members of the wild species into zoos or to extinction; if we pollute the last clear air and dirty the last clean streams and push our paved roads through the last of the silence, so that never again will Americans be free in their own country from the noise, the exhausts, the stinks of human and automotive waste,'" said Mr. Anderson.

"Those in Utah who resist protection of these places should take a clue from the visitors to our state who come to Utah, and keep coming back, because they are in awe of the geography they find there. Where else in the world can you go from the inspiring granite peaks of mountains like the Wasatch to the red-rock splendor of the San Rafael Swell in a four-hour drive? The beauty of the landscape is an astounding resource for Utah that sets it apart from most other places in the world, providing Utahns remarkable opportunities for outdoor recreation and serving as a magnet for tourists from other parts of the country and world," he added a bit later.

Mr. Anderson also pointed out that even if all 9.4 million acres were protected as wilderness, there still would remain "17,000 miles of dirt roads, jeep trails, and old mining tracks for off-road vehicle enthusiasts to enjoy on BLM lands on the Colorado Plateau. That figure does not include all trails in the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. Those who say we are 'locking up the land' and no one will have access to it except for backpackers and horse-packers should understand that they will have access too because 70% of the land proposed for wilderness designation within America's Red Rock Wilderness Act is within eight city blocks of a motorized route."

Not sharing Mr. Anderson's views was John Jones, a Carbon County, Utah, commissioner who said the bill would "place a nail in the coffin for rural Utah communities and render impossible any long‐term economic opportunities for the people in our counties who are surrounded by government‐owned land and whom we were elected to serve and represent."

"The idea that SUWA and its lackey, Mr. Hinchey, represents the voice of rural Utah is like saying King George III represented the American colonists on issues of taxation—it just isn’t so!" Mr. Jones added. "Our people have asked, how is it that a wilderness bill offered by a New Yorker on behalf of SUWA is treated seriously by this Committee when a BLM RMP (Resource Management Plan) developed locally over the course of seven years through a legitimate public involvement process is thrown out by our own Administration, thus squandering employment opportunities for our people in the process? This is not what we elected President Obama to do. Things here in Washington, D.C. are seriously off track. This bill threatens the very survival of rural Utah.

"We support reasonable protections for all public lands and wilderness designation when necessary to protect truly outstanding national treasures in their pristine state. However, the proposed Red Rock Wilderness bill targeting Utah would devastate our local economies even more so during this economic recession and at a time our country should be moving away from foreign energy. Moreover, the vast majority of the lands covered by the bill would actually suffer environmental degradation if subjected to leave‐it‐alone wilderness style management regimes. When the lands are not managed they are fire prone and lose their usefulness for razing, wildlife, watershed and recreation," he said.

This is serious guys.
 
I agree with the guys on Pirate. We need to boycott some of these companies supporting this bill. I feel betrayed that they would do this to us because they can sell more camping supplies to hikers and kayakers.
 
I agree with the guys on Pirate. We need to boycott some of these companies supporting this bill. I feel betrayed that they would do this to us because they can sell more camping supplies to hikers and kayakers.

The word NEEDS to get out NOW, to every OHV user in the damn country!
 
Red Rock hearing: Agreement on wilderness, but not on how or how much
Posted: 10/01/2009 3:47 PM
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by Matt Canham

The Salt Lake Tribune

Washington » Everyone who participated in a congressional hearing Thursday on a bill granting wilderness status to massive areas of Utah agreed the state has spectacular lands that deserve protection.

But passionate disagreements emerged over how to accomplish that.

Utah's five federal lawmakers appeared at the House subcommittee hearing to denounce the Red Rock bill, a statewide effort 20 years in the making that would protect 9.4 million acres from new roads, mining or off-road vehicles.

"There are beautiful pristine areas of Utah that need to be protected, but this bill goes far far beyond that," said Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, the ranking Republican member of the public lands subcommittee. "This particular bill is a relic of the past. It has not been successful since the age of disco and it will not be successful now or in the future."

Utah's congressional delegation favors smaller county-level bills where local politicians, business leaders and environmentalists agree on what lands deserve the government's highest level of protection, such as the Washington County lands bill that designated more than 250,000 acres of new wilderness earlier this year.

http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/db_22794/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=j3fYOEPn&src=cat
 
I agree with the guys on Pirate. We need to boycott some of these companies supporting this bill. I feel betrayed that they would do this to us because they can sell more camping supplies to hikers and kayakers.


I Sent my email to my rep. If I need to buy outdoor things i'll send the bills an email or call them to let them know why I didn't buy from them.
 
A board member from the OIA, who represents a lot of companies said that they were against it.
http://www.outdoorindustry.org/index.php
The OIA said they have no official stance on this and would like to remain politically neutral.

All of the details are in the thread on Pirate if you have the time to read it, the link is at the top of this thread.
 
If I have to link off site and read a diatribe on Pirate, it won't get done.

Sounds azzhatish, but I'm just being honest.

I was looking for a list of companies that signed on to the legislation, so that If I already do business with them, I can write them and tell them exactly why they are loosing my business. If one doesn't exist, that's OK too.

Ron
 
If I have to link off site and read a diatribe on Pirate, it won't get done.

Sounds Zuki-Ronish, but I'm just being honest.

I was looking for a list of companies that signed on to the legislation, so that If I already do business with them, I can write them and tell them exactly why they are loosing my business. If one doesn't exist, that's OK too.

Ron

^Fixed.
 
Seems every single one of my "representatives" (those who supposedly represent me, including the senators) supported this BS. I'm not too surprised... at least one of em's dead now.
 
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Here is a list of politicians who supported this bill (kindly compiled by SUWA; AKA the Enemy):
http://www.suwa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=work_arwaCosponsors

If one of your state's representatives are on that list, then you need to contact them and inform them that they will not be getting your vote or support in the future.

For those to lazy/Zuki-Ronish to click on the above link:

America's Red Rock Wilderness Act (H.R. 1925)
Sponsored by Representative Maurice Hinchey (D-NY22)
146 HOUSE COSPONSORS

Arizona
Raul Grijalva, D-07

California
Mike Thompson, D-01
Lynn Woolsey, D-06
George Miller, D-07
Barbara Lee, D-09
Ellen Tauscher, D-10
Jerry McNerney, D-11
Jackie Speier, D-12
Pete Stark, D-13
Anna Eshoo, D-14
Mike Honda, D-15
Zoe Lofgren, D-16
Sam Farr, D-17
Lois Capps, D-23
Brad Sherman, D-27
Howard Berman, D-28
Adam Schiff, D-29
Henry Waxman, D-30
Jane Harman, D-36
Grace Napolitano, D-38
Loretta Sanchez, D-47
Bob Filner, D-51
Susan Davis, D-53

Colorado
Diana DeGette, D-01
Jared Polis, D-02

Connecticut
John Larson, D-01
Joe Courtney, D-02
Rosa DeLauro, D-03
Chris Murphy, D-05
District of Columbia
Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-DC

Florida
Corrine Brown, D-03
Kendrick Meek, D-17
Robert Wexler, D-19
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, D-20
Alcee Hastings, D-23
Georgia
Hank Johnson, D-04
John Lewis, D-05
David Scott, D-13
Hawaii
Mazie Hirono, D-02

Illinois
Bobby Rush, D-01
Jesse Jackson, Jr, D-02
Dan Lipinski, D-03
Luis Gutierrez, D-04
Mike Quigley, D-05
Danny Davis, D-07
Jan Schakowsky, D-09
Mark Kirk, R-10
Jerry Costello, D-12
Judy Biggert, R-13
Tim Johnson, R-15
Phil Hare, D-17

Indiana
Andre Carson, D-07
Baron Hill, D-09
Iowa
Bruce Braley, D-01
Dave Loebsack, D-02
Leonard Boswell, D-03
Kentucky
John Yarmuth, D-03
Ben Chandler, D-06
Maine
Michael Michaud, D-02
Mariana Islands
Gregorio Sablan, I-MP
Maryland
Elijah Cummings, D-07

Massachusetts
John Olver, D-01
Richard Neal, D-02
Jim McGovern, D-03
Barney Frank, D-04
Niki Tsongas, D-05
John Tierney, D-06
Ed Markey, D-07
Mike Capuano, D-08
Stephen Lynch, D-09
Bill Delahunt, D-10

Michigan
Vernon Ehlers, R-03
Dale Kildee, D-05
Gary Peters, D-09
Sander Levin, D-12
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-13
John Conyers, D-14
Minnesota
Tim Walz, D-01
Betty McCollum, D-04
Keith Ellison, D-05
Collin Peterson, D-07
Missouri
William Lacy Clay, D-01
Emauel Cleaver, D-05
Nevada
Shelley Berkley, D-01
New Hampshire
Carol Shea-Porter, D-01
Paul Hodes, D-02
New Jersey
Rob Andrews, D-01
Frank LoBiondo, R-02
John Adler, D-03
Chris Smith, R-04
Frank Pallone, D-06
Leonard Lance, R-07
Bill Pascrell, D-08
Steven Rothman, D-09
Donald Payne, D-10
Rush Holt, D-12
Albio Sires, D-13
New Mexico
Martin Heinrich, D-01

New York
Steve Israel, D-02
Gary Ackerman, D-05
Jerrold Nadler, D-08
Anthony Weiner, D-09
Nydia Velazquez, D-12
Carolyn Maloney, D-14
Charlie Rangel, D-15
Jose Serrano, D-16
Eliot Engel, D-17
Nita Lowey, D-18
John Hall, D-19
Maurice Hinchey, D-22
Dan Maffei, D-25
Brian Higgins, D-27
Eric Massa, D-29

North Carolina
David Price, D-04
Melvin Watt, D-12
Brad Miller, D-13

Ohio
Marcy Kaptur, D-09
Dennis Kucinich, D-10
Betty Sutton, D-13
Tim Ryan, D-17

Oregon
David Wu, D-01
Earl Blumenauer, D-03
Peter DeFazio, D-04

Pennsylvania
Robert Brady, D-01
Joe Sestak, D-07
Allyson Schwartz, D-13
Mike Doyle, D-14

Puerto Rico
Pedro Pierluisi, D-PR

Rhode Island
Patrick Kennedy, D-01
James Langevin, D-02

South Carolina
John Spratt, D-05
Tennessee
Steve Cohen, D-09

Texas
Charlie Gonzalez, D-20
Lloyd Doggett, D-25
Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-30
Vermont
Peter Welch, D-VT
Virginia
Jim Moran, D-08
Gerry Connolly, D-11
Virgin Islands
Donna Christensen, D-VI

Washington
Jay Inslee, D-01
Rick Larsen, D-02
Brian Baird, D-03
Norm Dicks, D-06
Jim McDermott, D-07
Adam Smith, D-09

Wisconsin
Tammy Baldwin, D-02
Gwen Moore, D-04

America's Red Rock Wilderness Act (S. 799)
Sponsored by Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL)

21 SENATE COSPONSORS
California
Barbara Boxer, D-CA
Colorado
Mark Udall, D-CO

Connecticut

Joseph Lieberman, I-CT
Delaware
Ted Kaufman, D-DE
Illinois
Richard Durbin, D-IL
Roland Burris, D-IL
Iowa
Tom Harkin, D-IA
Maryland
Benjamin Cardin, D-MD
Massachusetts
Edward Kennedy, D-MA
John Kerry, D-MA

Michigan
Deborah Stabenow, D-MI
New Jersey
Frank Lautenberg, D-NJ
Robert Menendez, D-NJ
New York
Kirsten Gillibrand, D-NY
Chuck Schumer, D-NY
Oregon
Jeff Merkley, D-OR

Rhode Island
Jack Reed, D-RI
Sheldon Whitehouse, D-RI
Vermont
Patrick Leahy, D-VT
Bernie Sanders, I-VT
Washington
Maria Cantwell, D-WA
Wisconsin
Russ Feingold, D-WI

If your state's Congressman or Representative is on that list, you NEED to email or call them and let them know that they will not receive any further support from you if they continue to support these type of bills. This fight is not going to go away! If you sit on your ass and do nothing, we will end up with nothing to wheel.
 
What is the world coming to..... More and more I am beginning to hate what this country is turning into. Hopefully whatever gets done during the current bunch of morons are in office will get undone, as soon as none of them are re-elected in the next elections.
 
What is the world coming to..... More and more I am beginning to hate what this country is turning into. Hopefully whatever gets done during the current bunch of morons are in office will get undone, as soon as none of them are re-elected in the next elections.

Once wilderness is established it is never undone.
 
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