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Old February 21st, 2018, 12:13
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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It is the coupler just below the upper u-joint in the top of the shaft shown in this photo: https://www.quadratec.com/products/56113_0026_07.htm

It is pretty easy to tell if it is problematic. With the jeep not running, have someone turn the steering wheel about 2-3" back and forth. You'll either see the steering shaft at the steering box move with the input, or there will be a delayed input with less rotation because the coupler is worn and absorbing some of the rotation. Hope this helps.
Concur-

and if you see the latter, THAT is your problem!

EDIT: well, concur about the test process- but the shaft shown appears to be an all-ujoint shaft. Unless it's time I get to the optometrist again...

THIS: https://tinyurl.com/y9ha4kah is what I was referring to as a ragjoint.
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Old February 21st, 2018, 20:08
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

Toyotas tend to have a rag joint. My 93 and 94 Cherokees have the steering shaft I linked and there is a rubber coupler housed inside the ID of the metallic piece below the upper u-joint in the pic. Its closest to the firewall.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 06:57
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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Toyotas tend to have a rag joint. My 93 and 94 Cherokees have the steering shaft I linked and there is a rubber coupler housed inside the ID of the metallic piece below the upper u-joint in the pic. Its closest to the firewall.
OK, that's a vibration damper, but *not* a rag joint.

It's a hard bushing, intended to abate NVH. But the off-axis rotation is handled by the ujoint.

A rag joint, does both jobs- abates NVH transfer, AND transfers torque off-axis.

Might seem a pedantic point, but it's a very important one. Kind of like swaybar vs trackbar. The words are often used interchangeably, though they are not interchangeable by any means, and doing so confuses the issue.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 09:37
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

adjusted the nut on top of the box? tightened up my steering quite a bit
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 11:14
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adjusted the nut on top of the box? tightened up my steering quite a bit
He's already tried that.
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Old February 22nd, 2018, 15:10
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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adjusted the nut on top of the box? tightened up my steering quite a bit
Be careful doing that, too tight can cause the box to bind and/or wear more rapidly.
Adjusting the two sets of bearing is best done on a bench, using the FSM's proceedure.
It's a delicate adjustment.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 09:46
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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You're mixing that up. Pretty much every pump I've tested puts out 1200-1400 psi. It's the volume that changes
you tested pump from a late WJ? a veteran offroader tells me they put out #1800

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Old February 23rd, 2018, 10:15
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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you tested pump from a late WJ? a veteran offroader tells me they put out #1800
They do- IF you don't swap out the regulator valve assembly to one from an XJ.

This is why the WJ pump upgrade is so hit-or-miss among folks. They don't research PS pumps enough to know how they operate, and try to just swap over the unmodified WJ pump.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 10:32
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

good to know. got a WJ I bought recently, reworking my steering. what mods need to be done?
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 10:52
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

Err, I literally just told you....

More info than you probably care to dig through, here: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1103429'

EDIT: are you asking about mods to the WJ steering? Might want to ask in an WJ forum, not an XJ one.
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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Err, I literally just told you....

More info than you probably care to dig through, here: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1103429'

EDIT: are you asking about mods to the WJ steering? Might want to ask in an WJ forum, not an XJ one.
Info is good. Thanks for the link. gotta edumacate myself. "Change the flux capacitor" doesn't help if you don't where to find it.

I have an XJ and feel this forum appropriate. oh I see... I omitted the word PUMP from post #39..... I have a WJ PUMP. It's going on my XJ.

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Old February 23rd, 2018, 11:50
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

Awesome, misunderstood your post. I will be doing this mod soon on my son's 97, and pending on my 90. I'm hoping to go hydroboost brakes on the 90 so volume is the more important thing.
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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They do- IF you don't swap out the regulator valve assembly to one from an XJ.
so left in original form (no swapping regs) the pump puts out 1800 pounds right?

Gotta swap high pressure regs FROM xj pump TO wj pump....

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Old February 23rd, 2018, 13:21
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so left in original form (no swapping regs) the pump puts out 1800 pounds right?

Gotta swap high pressure regs FROM xj pump TO wj pump....
Yep, that is my understanding. I have one of each on hand, got to get the kid's old leaky PSP swapped out for the new one, then I'll steal the regulator assembly off the XJ, disassemble the WJ pump (remove the can, swapout the regulators and reassemble) and I belief a hole needs to be tapped. Then I'll R&R the pump off his and install WJ in its place.

To clarify, (and the details are in the thread I posted, so go read it, don't depend on Old Man Memory here ) it's a 01-04 WJ pump off a V8-equipped vehicle. They have a hydraulic cooling fan (I know, wierd) and so the tank has two returns. Plug one of them with a length of hose and a bolt, or a better method if you have it (I will be using one for HB return). Having removed the tank in order to gain access to remove the regulator assembly, swap it out for the XJ stock part. You will see folks talking about drilling out the fitting. I urge you NOT to, until you've tested... and even then, go very slow with enlargening that hole- a little goes a long way.

There is a thread that needs to be tapped on some of the pumps and depending upon the XJ you're bolting this into. You're on your own there. Details are in that thread, IIRC.

Reassemble, refill, test.

*If you are at all uncomfortable with the work or results, don't do it. You're responsible for your own safety, and this is a life safety system for you, your passengers, and those on the road with you!*

Good luck!

It's my understanding this works exceptionally well with the Durango steering box mod.

Also, if you don't swap out the pressure regulator fitting, put a bucket under your steering gearbox, especially the sector output shaft. At approx 1900PSI it's apt to be launched from the box, with all your fluid.

*CUE the guys who'll say they installed it without mods and it worked fine. Because Internet*
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Old February 27th, 2018, 18:38
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Re: recommondations on a good steering box for xj?

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Pretty sure this should be a steel ujoint at each end. I know when I upgraded the steering on my S10 (to get rid of said coupler), I used an XJ shaft and it worked a treat.

EDIT: didn't realize the very early XJs had a rag joint. This is most definitely a distinct possibilty for the slop! Gonna suck if this guy just spent $800 on a steering box to replace the perfectly good $50 junkyard pull and still didn't get rid of the slop for want of a $40 later-model XJ shaft.
nah, I have no problem getting quality parts. got the box in, haven't had a chance to test it out on the highway though. does feel tighter, but the Durango box was also fine at low speeds.
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