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Old March 17th, 2012, 12:54
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If you had a machinist

at your disposal... what would you have them make?

I'm building my 97 Cherokee to be an expedition type rig, light wheeling, camping, site seeing etc... Plans are to run 265/75/16 tires on roughly 3-3.5" lift and a Ford 8.8 in the rear.

My cousin is a machinist and the thought just occurred to me the other day he could probably make me some stuff for cheaper than already made aftermarket items.

So... if you had someone that could machine for you, what would you want with regards to building a expedition style rig?

Items like shackle relocation brackets, adjustable lower control arms...??
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:04
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Re: If you had a machinist

I would go with
Full 4 link (better ride)
Custom bumpers
Full trust Dana 44 front and rear
Custom toolboxes to fit over rear wheel wells inside
Assuming you just meant he can cut and weld...
Also depends if you want to tow a trailer or not
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:22
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Re: If you had a machinist

a machinist is not a fabricator. most machinists dont mess with sheetmetal or welding, they run mills and lathes.
Unfortunately there isnt much to machine as far as jeep parts go, it's all plasma/bending/welding work for the most part.
Sure, you can cut sheetmetal or plate on a mill, but it's not an efficient way of doing it and i avoid it at all costs.
I own a machine shop complete with cnc machines and whatnot... i still buy most of my parts unless what i need isnt made already. if i do need to make something, i typically just use the plasma instead of the mill.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:24
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Re: If you had a machinist

most anything that involves machining. he can make Accos, SYE, tie rods with standard and reverse thread or just the inserts, the list can go on and on. all depends on how much time he is willing to spend, and what machines are at his disposal. have him get real creative and make some snouts and hubs that will accept tapered wheel bearings so you can eliminate the unit bearings. (oh and have him make enough for me too).
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:33
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Re: If you had a machinist

X2, machinists are not fabricators.

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have him get real creative and make some snouts and hubs that will accept tapered wheel bearings so you can eliminate the unit bearings. (oh and have him make enough for me too).
Eh, I really wouldn't. That would probably be close to twice as much money for him to make that than it would be to buy a kit. The problem with one off items is all the machine and set up costs are so expensive, and that price gets rolled into that single unit. The price is much easier swallowed when its rolled into hundreds to thousands of units. The billet to make the hubs will be quite expensive, and the machine time to turn it down and hollow it out for the bearings will be a long and $$. Not to mention the engineering that needs to go into the pieces for the bearing fits, the higher tolerances, and the need to ensure it is strong enough.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:40
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Re: If you had a machinist

Vanimal, I understand that a machinist is not the same as a fabricator... That's why I'm asking what would you want machined for an expedition type rig. Apart from the fabricated stuff.

2stix got the idea =) Keep that list coming 2stix. I'd be looking for him to make stuff for my rig that would make it more stout, last longer, make it more "bullet proof" etc. I assume you mean ACOS and not ACCOS... the adjustable coilovers that JKS makes? That'd be handy to have.

2stix, if you found some diagrams or something about the tapered wheel bearings maybe he could figure something out.

I assume he's got quite a few machines as it's his grandpa's machine shop that makes toys and he's used these same machines to customize paintball guns now. I'll have to ask him though.

I'm just not familiar with what a machinist could be used for with regards to Jeep parts, hence the need for input on what "could" be made. I guess my LCA and relocation brackets sent the wrong message.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:41
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well sure, but he said it was his cousin and we all know family works for free. but seriously, that is why in my post i said that it all depends on how much time he is willing to spend. if time wasnt an issue (time is money) i think it would be a cool project. sure you can buy the warm hub swap out kit, but thats no fun.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:54
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Re: If you had a machinist

I, want a billet alum battery hold down for an Optima battery that used all the stock mounting points...ie -the strap from the rad support and the J-bolts.
That fit the sides and across the middle to stop all movement.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 13:59
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I'd have them build the parts to convert 2 GM 14 bolt rear diffs to front diffs with OTK steering, 'cause I have a plan.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 14:15
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Re: If you had a machinist

tigmeister...those diffs wouldn't help in my scenario =)

And I'm sure my cousin would work for free, or close to free. He's offered in the past to fab or machine me up some stuff, just never have had him do it.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 14:31
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Vanimal, I understand that a machinist is not the same as a fabricator... That's why I'm asking what would you want machined for an expedition type rig. Apart from the fabricated stuff.

2stix got the idea =) Keep that list coming 2stix. I'd be looking for him to make stuff for my rig that would make it more stout, last longer, make it more "bullet proof" etc. I assume you mean ACOS and not ACCOS... the adjustable coilovers that JKS makes? That'd be handy to have.

2stix, if you found some diagrams or something about the tapered wheel bearings maybe he could figure something out.

I assume he's got quite a few machines as it's his grandpa's machine shop that makes toys and he's used these same machines to customize paintball guns now. I'll have to ask him though.

I'm just not familiar with what a machinist could be used for with regards to Jeep parts, hence the need for input on what "could" be made. I guess my LCA and relocation brackets sent the wrong message.
like i said, there isnt much to be made. it's typically all fab work, not machining. maybe a shift knob?
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Old March 17th, 2012, 15:34
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Re: If you had a machinist

I was thinking of a CNC plasma cuter with the parts listed and every machinist I know can weld...
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Old March 17th, 2012, 15:52
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I was thinking of a CNC plasma cuter with the parts listed and every machinist I know can weld...
i've worked as a machinist/toolmaker for 15 years, and the amount of machinists that can weld is very small. Out of the hundreds of machinists i've worked with across the country, maybe a handfull can actually weld decently. Most shops have dedicated welders, if a machinist needs something welded, he brings it to him. if a welder needs something milled, he goes and sees the machinist. it's how it works.
Out of an average shop of 30 employees, i bet an average of 2 can weld from my experiences.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 18:37
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Re: If you had a machinist

I would have them modify a unit bearing to use tapered roller bearings so they could be easily replaced for cheap. Listening Dan?
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Old March 17th, 2012, 19:15
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i've worked as a machinist/toolmaker for 15 years, and the amount of machinists that can weld is very small. Out of the hundreds of machinists i've worked with across the country, maybe a handfull can actually weld decently. Most shops have dedicated welders, if a machinist needs something welded, he brings it to him. if a welder needs something milled, he goes and sees the machinist. it's how it works.
Out of an average shop of 30 employees, i bet an average of 2 can weld from my experiences.
This has been my experience also. I have been a welder/fabricator for 23 years and also have training as a machinist. My shop at home is set up for fabricating and welding and I can build almost anything I need for my rig.

I don't have a lathe or mill there, although I would like them, but what little machining I actually need done, I farm out. It's cheaper than the lathe and mill. I can usually figure out how to get my project done with no machining required.

If you have access to someone willing to do the work, make whatever project you choose something one off and cool. Don't waste the resource on something trivial.
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