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Old September 29th, 2017, 08:54
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Re: Long Arm Upgrade - Opinions?

I am running the Cav-Fab 3 link, and love it.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 10:32
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The Clayton kit requires welding IIRC. Was trying to avoid welding. I'll check out some of the other manufacturers.
long arm cross members no matter who makes should be welded on no matter what. If you don't you are a fool
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:11
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long arm cross members no matter who makes should be welded on no matter what. If you don't you are a fool
Going to have to disagree with this. *Properly engineered*, a bolt-on solution will work. But by no means do you want to just bolt it in place of the tranny crossmember and call it done.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:39
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long arm cross members no matter who makes should be welded on no matter what. If you don't you are a fool
I would have to step in and agree. The forces involved warrant a properly attached bracket for the arms. Unless you want to get at least 4 bolts a side to grab the frame, which would mean drilling holes and welding threaded bosses if done correctly. Regardless, the cost to benefit ratio means that welding a frame bracket for a 3 or 4 link setup and have removable center section really isn't all that much in comparison.

From a radius arm perspective, the Rubicon Express crossmember works well. Not only does it grab three frame bolts, but there's a pinch seam nutstrip as well. Then the boat sides. In that Capacity, a bolt on operation would be justified. I'm in the business of doing it right and the most correct fashion. I've played the "its good enough" game and would much rather go all in.

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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:44
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Re: Long Arm Upgrade - Opinions?

I'm with you, but from an engineering standpoint, a bolt-on affair can be made to work, and work well.

Welding? Always better, *if it's done right*.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:55
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Check out the B Lee's kit. several friends of mine run it with zero issues, its some what similar to the Cav-fab kits. it uses 3 bolts per side to connect to the frame. apparently there is a nutsert in the frame that needs to be drilled out and tapped and its ready to rock and roll. I have my kit setting in my basement, and its heavy as all get out!

https://bleesoffroad.com/collections.../3-link-system
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Old September 29th, 2017, 12:14
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Check out the B Lee's kit. several friends of mine run it with zero issues, its some what similar to the Cav-fab kits. it uses 3 bolts per side to connect to the frame. apparently there is a nutsert in the frame that needs to be drilled out and tapped and its ready to rock and roll. I have my kit setting in my basement, and its heavy as all get out!

https://bleesoffroad.com/collections.../3-link-system
yeah.um..no
every other long arm kit on the market uses more than just 3 bolts for a reason
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Old September 29th, 2017, 12:25
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it uses 6 bolts total, 3 per side. I would have thought there would be issues with it my self. But everyone I know that has this kit has abused them way more than I ever will. One guy borderline uses his like a rock bouncer, ive never seen a front end come off the ground more than this guy.. I honestly don't know how he hasn't bent his front end yet to be honest.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 12:29
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Check out the B Lee's kit. several friends of mine run it with zero issues, its some what similar to the Cav-fab kits. it uses 3 bolts per side to connect to the frame. apparently there is a nutsert in the frame that needs to be drilled out and tapped and its ready to rock and roll. I have my kit setting in my basement, and its heavy as all get out!

https://bleesoffroad.com/collections.../3-link-system
For not much more money, there are FAR better options on the market.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 16:29
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Am running drop brackets already and hate them. They get caught on everything... but my lift has sagged somewhat as well.


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Ok, then you wheel far worse than me.....


And from what I've seen, Most long arm brackets hang down almost as much, just not so close to the tires.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 20:00
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And from what I've seen, Most long arm brackets hang down almost as much....
I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there. Unless by "almost as much" you meant twice as much.





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Old September 29th, 2017, 20:02
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I would go with CavFab or Clayton for the removable crossmember. CavFab is true 3/4 Link, Clayton is Radius and true 3/4 Link.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 21:05
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Wheel placement issue?
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Old September 29th, 2017, 22:07
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I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there. Unless by "almost as much" you meant twice as much.
Go ahead an disagree...won't hurt my feelings. That's why all of our jeeps are different...............

I said most, cuz the ones I've looked at EXCEPT for TNT still hang below the frame 3-4". Even the cav fab one you posted, and clayton as well, hang down the diameter of the joint + ~ 1"...which means 3-4".

Their saving grace is the arm itself, which lets the vehicle slide over the obstacle, whereas the drop bracket has a much better chance of catching & hanging up.

I haven't actually measured, but I'd say my cad brackets hang below the factory mount points 4-5", but are closer to the tires than the brackets you mention. Personally, I'd rather have something hang down close to the tires than mid frame as it is easier to use the tire to keep the obstacle from sticking with good tire placement. Can't always do that, but most times you can.

That's why IF I go long arms, it will most likely be TNT, along with their matching coil spring conversion for the rear, or the Synergy 4 link front and the IRO 4 link rear.


No biggie, I just mentioned it as unless you wheel in places where they hang up all the time, it's not worth the money or the quirks that can sometimes show with long arms/radius arms.

Simply suggesting a compromise to save some money and still have a nice ride.



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Old September 30th, 2017, 06:39
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Check out the B Lee's kit. several friends of mine run it with zero issues, its some what similar to the Cav-fab kits. it uses 3 bolts per side to connect to the frame. apparently there is a nutsert in the frame that needs to be drilled out and tapped and its ready to rock and roll. I have my kit setting in my basement, and its heavy as all get out!

https://bleesoffroad.com/collections.../3-link-system


I’ve heard from several people that his kits unload like crazy on hills and handle like crap. The only people I know that have ran them have swapped them out within 6mo to a year of running them.
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