Ok, I understand a little more. Just the angle, I guess those are the bolts and nuts on the pinch seam that I am looking at. Just looks almost like they are vertical and going into the floor. But I have had a half sack of beer toady!!LOL I see your cage base plates. Thanks for the response. It seems that alot of the guys in the wheelin' crowd up here don't mind welding them on, and they are really solid. I guess the biggest concern resale, and having to cut them off. But, when you think of it, wouldn't you most likely sell to someone wanting to wheel it?:yap: