Big Bear run on the 19th July

[David Taylor]

Just a reminder. I will be leading a run up to see the new bridge at deep creek on the 19th. Hollcome creek and John Bull will be on the list if there is time. Your rig should have 3" lift and rock rails. Open diffs will be fine.We will meet in arrowhead at 9:00.
I will post direction later. Dave T

[JTBOSCO]

Whats this Big Bear run like. How long does it take to get their from the Bay Area?

J.T.

[Kejtar]

ummmm I guess you'd have to drive minimum of 5 hours or so (depending on road conditions, level of "porkiness" ;) on the freeways, your vehicle and so on)...... FOr a visit to SoCal, you might want to hold of till we figure out an annual event...

Ok, enough of the NorCal thread hijack LOL....

Kejtar

[Bent]

Ketar,Be nice to to the norcal, LOL! You may mess up any chance of me getting a response to my post on the sierra site. LOL. But I shouldnt be suprised, I don't have any books or guides on what's in my back yard either.
David, count me in. I think that I like Deep Creek/ Dishpan springs better than John Bull. It just seems that there are more challanges and they seemed more distributed.
I think that running both in the same day might overload both living brain cells. I'm up to that.

JT, Big Bear is actually a socal version of a lake(man made). The surrounding area's trails are located in the NF of the San Bernardino Mtns. Elev 6500 - 8000 aprox. Depending upon the trail, Packed or loose dirt or rock, John Bull or deep creek are strewn with or in parts(Dish pan springs.) entirely small "boulders".
The area does not compare with many areas further north, but is in own right a "destination". I've always lived 50 minutes away, you know how things get taken for granted.

Ketar, ED , David, anybody. Go ahead and jump in here. Someone could drive down here to see for theirself quicker that I could type even a vague description.

[Renegade Jpr]

Maybe I will run into you guys, Im leading a big run with Rockcrawler.com that same weekend,.We will be up there for Saturday and Sunday.,Saturday we will be running JohnBull and Sunday on Holcomb Creek. So far we have 12 "For sure going" Jeeps, LandRovers, and I think 1 or 2 full size Blazers.

[Jump This]

gotta have the rock rails?

[Kejtar]

well... Sequoia has ran everything but John Bull with no rails and he got lucky... he only misshaped the seem on the bottom but rockers are intact.

TBent has been up JOhn Bull twice with no Rails, RyuRabbit once... and both came out with no rocker damage... but.... I saw TBent's rig on compression bounce down to a rock and stop about 1" away from it before going up(it was a jolting slip from a rock).... let's just say that he installed his rails (which he had in his garage) the following weeknd :D

Kejtar

[Bent]

Jump This, I have run deep Creek without them. No damage. I am running a RE 4 1/2" on BFG 10.5x31. :eyes:
This was prior to the newly reseeded rock garden, I can't say for sure myself now.

Keep in mind that I know that the skinny pedal IS NOT a two position switch, So my statement is entirely subjective.

[Kejtar]

TBent... BFG 31"x9.5???? I Thought that the 31 was 10.5 and the 30" was 9.5" :D

Tbent... there is no rock garden at the moment as they discovered a rock with a hole used to grind seeds in it (possibly an indian artifact) so the rock garden "seeding" got halted....

Kejtar

[David Taylor]

If you don't care about body damage bring it. If you have a height challenged rig with open diffs you should be ready to take a strap. You must have front and rear tow points. The rock garden will not be done at deep creek so we should make good time. We might even get in gold mountain if we can keep up a good pace.

[Bent]

If there wasn't still a lady grinding pinon nuts in it, what's the hold up.

Kejtar, What's your point?

[David Taylor]

Direction: Highway 18 up to Arrowhead. The 173 goes into Arrowhead from the 18. Stay on the 18. Aprox .5 mile after the 173 there will be Arrowhead district ranger station on the left. That is wear we will meet at 9:00 am. We will leave at 9:15 sharp.If you are late you will have to find use on the trail. My cell is 760-613-8053. Dave

[Kejtar]

I'll repost Ed's post to SoCalXJ as it probably will make more sense than my ramblings :)

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The newest (and probably not the last) issue with restoring the difficulty in the revised condition of 3N34, east of the T6 crossing of Deep Creek, is one of potential disturbance of archeological artifacts.

During the planned relocation of rocks (to restore the difficulty) one of the rocks was found to have obvious traces of archaeological significance. The rock was observed to contain a pestle (or grain grinding) hole. This is the indention in a rock left after repeated use of the rock for grinding grain for a period of time by ancestral inhabitants of the area. The resident and guest Archeologists halted the restoration of difficulty to the trail, in the area of the creek crossing, to honor State and Federal Law.

The USFS has to follow state and Federal guidelines (actually Laws) with respect to possible disturbance of archaeological sites, and just like when a large construction project is halted when artifacts are found, the restoration of the difficult rocks at T6 was halted. The penalty to continue the work could result in felony criminal and expensive civil action against all involved (once the potential for disturbance was known). This exposure to the penalty of criminal and civil law applies to civilians as well (so don't go out and plan to relocate rocks around Deep Creek). This risk of disturbance exists almost everywhere in the SBNF, highlighting the importance of keeping the existing roads/trail open (because every new or relocated trail action faces this same risk of disturbance).

The Riverside Rough Riders have performed trail maintenance on 3N34, and plan more through the summer, although additional activity at the T6 crossing has been halted to respect the law. Drive past the T6 crossing, east on 3N34, and the option to take an easy or difficult line on the trail should be restored before the end of summer (and forget about radical rocks immediately past T6 unless you want to invite felony persecution).

I have drive many two wheel drive trucks past the old T6 crossing, both before concrete hardening of the bottom and after the past concrete work (that made it easier than the original loose rock). The current bridge is a freeway, and we have to live with it (better than a larger bridge or closure, the other requested alternatives).

The resulting construction preserves dirt OHV access to the rest of the forest. This is the only currently open east to west OHV legal road/trail in the SBNF that links the Arrowhead and Big Bear areas. The risk of more radical restoration of difficulty is closure of this critical road/trail.

If you want to get activist about SBNF trails, and want to have a huge impact on improving the East to west OHV opportunity, then get your printers hammering out letters to the USFS that you want to see Coxey Creek Road restored to OHV legal 4x4 travel. This is the OHV road/trail that used to link the Coxey Meadows below White Mountain with the Devils Hole area of Deep Creek. It was a Black Diamond 4x4 trail before a wildfire closed the road over twelve years ago, and then it was opened as a M/C-ATV-only trail until about six years ago, when pressure from the Sierra Club and the Center for Biological Diversity forced it's complete closure to vehicles. Coxey Creek Road was the historical northern, east to west, dirt road/trail link between Arrowhead and Big Bear.

Sign up now, to make significant comments and complaint, and turn some of this idle bitching into productive progress for your favored choice of recreation. Gets some free maps of your forests, and get educated on the issues shaping the future of recreation in the four SoCal Forests.

Southern California Forest Plans Revision - Welcome!

Turn that keyboard frustration into some constructive support for the future of wheeling in the SBNF. Learn something, and represent yourself.

Happy Trails!
Ed A. Stevens
stvns@aol.com
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[Jump This]

Okay boys...maybe I can get the rails done this weekend. They closed the metal supply nearest me....70mi. away. I have a neighbor who is a hard core XJ guy (belongs to So Cal XJ club) He might have some metal hanging around that would do the trick. I hope to make it....I don't think I would drag the run out by being a total rookie. But..... let me know if a newbie would be okay. I am no stranger to off-roading just kinda new to the Jeep thing.
Rick

[Kejtar]

So who's your neighbour?

[Jump This]

You know I don't even know his last name. First is Tommy built like a tank. Owns a tree service company.....runs about 8 plus inches of lift with some swampers....moved out here about six months ago......gray XJ......

[Bent]

Does Tommy run lic. plates: "XJ MAN"?

[David Taylor]

newbies are fine.We might drag a stocker with rails through so you should be fine. Just no whining on the trail

[Jump This]

You know him then T Bent? That is his plate #. Lives right across the street from me now. Handy to have around!
What ME whine??????

[mgolden]

I've got a friend coming in town that day, and she'll probably get here around 10am, so I'll be too late to run Deep Creek with you guys. If you run Gold Mountain and John Bull afterwards, I can give you guys my cell phone number and have somebody call me when you're headed for Gold Mountain and I can meet you there.

-Mike

[Xjman1]

So any one keeping tabs on who is going to be there? I am debating on whether to go to Los Coyotes with my officail club or Big Bear with the SOCALXJ folks, help me decide:confused:

[David Taylor]

well...for staters I think I will make it. Norm Taylor,Ray Phili, Mike lockwood said they would make also.

[Bent]

JT, no I don't know him. BUT while walking around the village in Big Bear last weekend I couldnt help but notice his rig parked there on the street. Nice Rig!
Mike, PM the # to me and I can give you a ring. :phone:

Tim

[Xjman1]

Well I talked to my buddy today that was talking about going and we are going for it. Now the question is should he take his stocker(2000) on 225's with full skids and towpoints as well as he has a friend(1998) that wants to go with 30" mudders. I got them up Lockwood/Miller Jeep trail a few weeks ago with no issues, but what do you fellas think? Big Bear is a bit of a drive for them not to have fun.

[David Taylor]

If they have made it up miller they can run Big Bear. As long as they don't mind tacking a strap if need be to keep things moving.

[Xjman1]

That's is what I told them, just wanted to get them some confidence

[mikeyl]

going to try to make this one. finally got my 44 installed and the quicklock seems to be fine other than obnoxiousness on the street. hope it settles out some! will do my best to see everyone saturday morning. what channel on the CB?

[David Taylor]

We will be using channel 4. We will be leaving the ranger station
at 9:15. If you are late you will have to meet us on the trail.

[mgolden]

Originally posted by mikeyl
going to try to make this one. finally got my 44 installed and the quicklock seems to be fine other than obnoxiousness on the street. hope it settles out some! will do my best to see everyone saturday morning. what channel on the CB?

Do you have the 242 transfer case (i.e. the one with "Full Time")? If so, just toss that puppy in full-time and you'll barely notice that rear locker.

-Mike

[mikeyl]

thanks mike! i will certainly give that a try. it's rather embarassing chirping around parking lots and gas stations! though it seems to be tearing up my dirt driveway real well!

[Bent]

OK, I've gotta ask. Mgolden, why would that help?

[mgolden]

I don't know the exact science behind it, just speaking from experience. I would assume that putting it in full-time makes the front axle pull the rig around corners and let's the rear ratchet around them more than it did before.

It will still squeak the tires on real tight U-turns or parking lots, but not nearly as bad as before.

[Bent]

Hmmm, that does make sense.


:idea:

[mikeyl]

hey tim, he was right, it does seem to be a bit less noisey unless in reall tight turns under power. but at idle speed turns with the front engaged it did seem quieter. see ya guys sat. by the thanks for the info a while back on the re lca's, they seem to work pretty well so far!

[Ed A. Stevens]

Have fun in BB.

If you get bored, this weekend is also the annual Corvette Big Bear Bash at Snow Summit (car show and autocross, etc.). Lots of cars to see in town (hopefully much cleaner than the XJ's ;) ).

Stir up some dust, but carry water.

[Bent]

Ed, I'm going to have to leave the wife at home then. She tends to drool when around the convertables. Especially the '59 and '60s. It would really break her poor heart to se them get bashed up!

Hey Mikey, good to here that!

[Jump This]

As some of you might have noticed...the mountains are starting to get the monsooooooon rain. The forcast is for LOTS of rain in the mountains this weekend (sounds like too much fun to me!) Although I dought the corvette crowd will like it much! My question is how will it effect the ride this weekend at Big Bear?
More or less challenging? Will it make some areas innaccessable?

[Bent]

:D RAIN GOOD:D

DUST BAD

[Xjman1]

I have been watching the weather and praying for the rain, minus the lightning, to keep the dust down. Rain wash all the dus toff the rocks and let me test/play with the mudders. Might be a little sticky feeling up there though.

Joe

[Bent]

OOPS! Wrong Thread.:dunce:

[Xjman1]

See you all in a few hours. Loading the last of it and ready to hit the road, oops trail:)

Joe

[cracker]

Okay boys...maybe I can get the rails done this weekend. They closed the metal supply nearest me....70mi. away. I have a neighbor who is a hard core XJ guy (belongs to So Cal XJ club) He might have some metal hanging around that would do the trick. I hope to make it....I don't think I would drag the run out by being a total rookie. But..... let me know if a newbie would be okay. I am no stranger to off-roading just kinda new to the Jeep thing.
Rick


What has changed?

[scottmcneal]

LMFAO.

[David Taylor]

I miss Big Bear. Rick's junk is still junk. some things never change.

[karstic]

:thumbup:

[cracker]

I miss Big Bear. Rick's junk is still junk. some things never change.

Grab your dad's rig and I'll take the MJ and we can do a run in May

[GSequoia]

I miss Big Bear.

It's still there.

[WebDog]

Holy old post!

[GSequoia]

Holy old post!

What grade were you in when this thread started?

[Johnnie Walker]

What grade were you in when this thread started?
Ha! I was done with tech school and back in this hell hole working for ford =/

[WebDog]

What grade were you in when this thread started?
I dropped out of school that year to start a internet business, and was living in Colorado.

But! I did own a XJ!!! It was when I had my 86 with the awesome 2.8L V6 :anon:

[souske]

I was just going into the navy then

[cal]

I was just going into the navy then

...that explains a lot. ;)

[souske]

.!.:D.!.

[Carol.92124]

Faaaahk. This run was on my son's 12th birthday. D'oh!! I'm old! But only on the outside, at least.

[mikedashg]

What has changed?

ahahahahahahahahahaa

Well, let's see. Dave and Rick would never take their rigs to big bear. I was wheeling BB during the time, but on 32's. I have 35's now. But I still would, and do.

[mikedashg]

ahahahahahahahahahaa

Well, let's see. Dave and Rick would never take their rigs to big bear. I was wheeling BB during the time, but on 32's. I have 35's now. But I still would, and do.

2002 on 32's:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2207/2123887830_f10501ab22_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikedashg/2123887830/)
me2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikedashg/2123887830/) by mikedashg (http://www.flickr.com/people/mikedashg/), on Flickr


and on the 35's I have now:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2239/2467352442_1b1d882216_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikedashg/2467352442/)
IMG_8136.JPG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikedashg/2467352442/) by mikedashg (http://www.flickr.com/people/mikedashg/), on Flickr

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