That's my orange-ringed rig

[DaveG]

Thanks for the indirect compliment! If the only thing you can find to criticize about my rig is the amount of bumpstop I had in the parking lot, it must not be too big of turd.

Don't loose any sleep - my rig flexes just fine. I won't bore you with the physics of full-width axles because all you web wheelers know that, all things equal, a wider axle doesn't have to flex as much as a shorter axle to be the same distance off the ground. Also, with 38's in XJ fenders, you have to get some of your flex from drooping the other side.

I never wanted a poser rig with 8" lift on 33s to look good on the ramp. See ANY bling on my rig? I wanted a rig that would get me up Purgatory and through that rock garden on the rim of the quarry forward and back. Mission accomplished. Where were you critics then, because you sure weren't at the top?

In all truth, I did start out on the Green trail. After tech I ran into town to fuel up, and the only group still there when I got back was doing Green. Brad (super-nice guy w/black XJ with a rear window out) suggested I join them, as a group was going to split off to run Pink, which we did. That's where "I lost a bead backing out of a line." Oh yeah, that line was up the harder right side that nobody else tried. In case you forgot, I proceeded to the top, while everyone else went up the smaller left side. A minor detail you left out.

Most of you guys were great. I enjoyed chatting with you at dinner and the campfire. The event was organized and well-run. NAXJA is awesome (I'm member #259 by the way, so I wasn't born last night). Every club has a couple punks. No hard feelings, they'll grow up someday.

Rev Den and XJnation - thanks for your voice of reason.

Dave

[Gil BullyKatz]

Well...Since I started the piss fest... lemme be the first reply...

I saw your rig and was impressed by it...

I honestly like your rig... I talked to you about it... You told me your buddy had built it... I was standing next to ya when Okie was pointing showing ya where your tires were prone to separating...

Again... Your rig looked good...

I wanted to see someone actually wheel it...

I didn't get a chance to...

I did green then rotated my axle in the quarry...

I wanted to see pics of your rig ON trail and working those bumpstops...

Glad it works well for ya... Glad your happy with it...

Nice to see a rig that looks that good get beyond the poser zone...

Your rig and how it performed was not the issue...

The issue was an asshat who wasn't even there trying to tell me by analyzing a low res pis, that I must've been smoking crack to have seen the amount of bumpstop I saw...

Thanking XJNation for doubting my observation is misguided... He's the guy that thought there was no way that rig would be running what you were running...

Re-read the thread...

Glad you came out and proved it wasn't built by a shop to win show-and-shines...

Nice being the talk of the town isn't it?

:D

[blindawg]

I've seen that orange-ringed rig in progress while we were in Disney. Nothing to dog on by any means. Seems he was busy doing the hard stuff with ease. Seemed very well built and very reliable. Seemed to have plenty of flex, got to keep in mind that with the bigger axles and rubber, you aren't able to have very much up travel . But who cares about up travel? Don't you want to keep your rig as low to the ground, especially with only 100" of wheel base? Down travel is what you really want. But all of you web wheelers that go out once a year, don't have a fricken clue about this stuff, other than what you read on the internet anyways!

[HaleYes]

(I'm member #259 by the way, so I wasn't born last night).
Dave

Your name is not in red? Just curious...

[Gil BullyKatz]

The line to suck Dave G's Dana 60 sized shaft starts to the left...

non attendees can feel free to go to front of line...

You want low COG? Don't you want to keep your rig as low to the ground, especially with only 100" of wheel base?
the sawzall beckons...

I think Dave's a big enough man to speak for himself or let his rig do the talking...

Sackriders saddle up!

[jeg]

That thing is a big terd, just joking. Allen told me about your little trip. Sounds like other than a bumpstop problem, all went well. This is Jon from Kansas, had to give you some crap.

[DaveG]

The only "problem" was it was a typical web-club run. Quite a few nice folks and a few dorks. One "expert" had already decided my rig wasn't set up right (too much bumpstop) literally before we even left staging. He never found out because he broke right away (go figure). Another guy called me out at the campfire, claiming I didn't know how to drive. Somehow my rig kept making it up the toughest obstacles even though it was set up wrong AND I couldn't drive it. Must be magic...

It's too bad. For some reason at events, the loud dorks are usually the first to step-up and be the informal unwelcoming committee. Makes the club look bad, and makes me want to wheel with you guys instead of the XJ club I belong to. Go figure...

[Gil BullyKatz]

Makes the club look bad, and makes me want to wheel with you guys instead of the XJ club I belong to. Go figure...


You might be close enough to the Colorado Chapter...

Check them out...

They're a bit more PC...

:D

[bgcntry72]

My turn...
I am the 'web-wheeler expert' who called you out at the fire.
I built a Jeep in 72 hours and proceeded to bash the hell out of it.
I am guessing that if you tore a brakeline, you would be on the phone with the shop.
I would be willing to bet that the guy who built that jeep could wheel the hell out of it...maybe.
Your rig DID climb the harder line on the rock wall in pink, but with 38s, 5.13s, and beadlocks, so could a Subaru Forester.
As for running Purg...Brad and I manage parts of it with 33s, and I could do the start of it on 31s and one locker.
The rock-garden is not hardcore...hell...Rev did it once. :D
IMHO, your rig never went above idle RPM, and you weren't driving, you were riding, if you know what I mean.
Hell, you almost went 'rubber-up' trying to turn around and readjust your line.
Ground clearance is neat, but knowing more about wheeling than what you read in Four Wheeler Magazine is a little 'neater'.
You have a nice rig, but its far, far over your head, IMHO.
You can't buy clout, but it was a nice effort.
As for the ragging, you had plenty of time to man up and defend yourself around the campfire.
I guess it's just easier from 6 hours away.
It started out as fun, but if you want to grow balls now that you are back home, have at it.
More money than common sense must be a cool problem to have.
I guess the rest of us are just jealous.
:rolleyes:

[Roxtar]

Dave, let me take this moment to introduce you to the Midwest Chapter. We call them as we see them, hurt feelings or not, and ANYONE gets shit when warranted. You earn your props here, nothing is free.
However...
If you have the sack to except a little shit, listen for the truth inside it, and be willing to sling a little back, you'll find a great group here.
BTW, in this case, most of our "loud dorks" are the ones with the most saddle time and knowledge. The unknowledgable (is that a word?) ones are called out and quickly learn to STFU. A wise man might want to unwad his panties and do a little listening and absorbing.
Dave, you do have a very nice rig. You also do have some suspension issues. Blindawg, that "full width doesn't need as much movement" line is pure BS and sounds like an excuse straight from the mouth of the guy paid to build it. The ability to have more flex is the reason to put up with the many negatives of full width. Without it you have merely the worst of both worlds. (but it looks cool)


But hey, WTF would I know. I'm just a web wheeler.

[XJ_ranger]

hey - at least you showed up -

i was looking forward to meeting people who talked a ton of shit - but then they were convinently absent - blaming things like a DD xj and a long drive...

8 hrs drive and a DD xj with only one brake left on the rear - Bam! im there...

i look forward to my Razing once i get my fullwidths in - that i think is the best way to learn what you need to do to make your rig better...

and when people give you criticisim such as "hello my name is Mo, Mo Mentum" they are really teaching you how to drive... and helping

well - i gotta get out to my rig and pull off my 235/75r15's off and replace the backing plate on my d35...

[Lawn Cher']

Opie-

You were a little disappointed by the minimal razzing you got, admit it. You're really an attention whore like me.

[BajaXJ92]

Opie-

You were a little disappointed by the minimal razzing you got, admit it. You're really an attention whore like me.

FYI, its boring to repeatedly "razz" someone that you know is a dedicated douche-nozzle.

Kicking "window lickers" is only fun, until you realize its a lost cause.

[Roxtar]

hey - at least you showed up -

i was looking forward to meeting people who talked a ton of shit - but then they were convinently absent - blaming things like a DD xj and a long drive...

8 hrs drive and a DD xj with only one brake left on the rear - Bam! im there...

i look forward to my Razing once i get my fullwidths in - that i think is the best way to learn what you need to do to make your rig better...

and when people give you criticisim such as "hello my name is Mo, Mo Mentum" they are really teaching you how to drive... and helping

well - i gotta get out to my rig and pull off my 235/75r15's off and replace the backing plate on my d35...
Perfect.
You, my friend, are welcome around our campfire any time.
Noobs taking notes, here?

[Lawn Cher']

FYI, its boring to repeatedly "razz" someone that you know is a dedicated douche-nozzle.

Kicking "window lickers" is only fun, until you realize its a lost cause.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. Try being a little less cryptic.

[seanR]

What the hell is a...
...douche-nozzle...

[Lawn Cher']

Methinks it is an application tool for a feminine hygiene product.

[XJ_ranger]

Opie-

You were a little disappointed by the minimal razzing you got, admit it. You're really an attention whore like me.

i was - i expected to get a ton more shit for showing up with a dana35... and a almost 5" lift and stock tires...

o well - maybe next time i can become more hard core and snap an axleshaft...

Kid - thanks - id love to talk shit with you some more

[Gil BullyKatz]

i was - i expected to get a ton more shit for showing up with a dana35... and a almost 5" lift and stock tires...



Dude...

I almost showed up with 35's and 3.55's...

Swap couldn't get me a good price on tires fast enough!

:D

[bgcntry72]

almost 5" lift

Read: 4.5" in the front and .41" in the rear.
Your rig looked like it was hauling lead plates for the railroad in the cargo area.
No, I don't know what lead plates would be used for, and why the railroad would need them, but it sounds heavy, and his azz was as saggy as my grandma from Boca.

[Lawn Cher']

I don't know what lead plates would be used for, and why the railroad would need them, but it sounds heavy

Nuclear locomotive parts.

[DaveG]

First off, an apology. I used the web-wheeler reference before I matched up the user names of the people posting to who was at Winterfest. Obviously, you are not web-wheelers because you were there. I was wrong, I apologize.

Gil - you wrote "Your rig LOOKED good, I wanted to see someone actually wheel it, but I didn't get a chance to, I did green then rotated my axle in the quarry." If you didn't get a chance to see me wheel it, why are you so critical?

bgcntry72 - you wrote "I built a Jeep in 72 hours and proceeded to bash the hell out of it." You and I are really different people. I spent months busting my ass on my rig. Because of the effort I have into it, I don't bash the hell out of it. Does that make you right and me wrong?

you also wrote - "I am guessing that if you tore a brakeline, you would be on the phone with the shop". So I didn't build my exo, I don't have a bender or a welder. Is the logical assumption that those little crush washers would get the best of me?

you also wrote - "your rig never went above idle RPM, and you weren't driving, you were riding...You have a nice rig, but its far, far over your head...knowing more about wheeling than what you read in Four Wheeler Magazine is a little 'neater'". How long did we wheel together, 20 minutes? Did I need a strap or winch line from anyone? Did I go up the harder side or the easier side? Did I go up some harder obstacles that few or no others in our group did? What is your basis for criticizing my driving? Logic would say we didn't wheel enough together for you to be so critical.

you also wrote - "You can't buy clout, but it was a nice effort...More money than common sense must be a cool problem to have." Yes, a few Winterfest participants that PM'd me think that smells a little like jealousy. It's too jaded and personal based on the few minutes we wheeled together to be much else. What's with the money jabs? They're 1979 Ford junkyard specials, even the hubs are 26 years old. No Dynatracs, no Atlas, no bling. I don't get it.

you also wrote - "As for the ragging, you had plenty of time to man up and defend yourself around the campfire...I guess it's just easier from 6 hours away...if you want to grow balls now that you are back home, have at it."
You seem articulate, why not stick to the facts instead of turning this into a tough-guy contest?

kid4lyf - you wrote, "Anyone gets shit if it's warranted." We hadn't even left the parking lot, how could it have been already warranted? What do you recommend to "fix" my limited up travel, more lift? I've been there, too tippy for serious wheelin.

Some of the conclusions you jumped to aren't that logical. I apologize for bringing out the worst in you.

Dave

**Someone needs to teach me how to use that "Quote" feature, I'm tired from typing.

[bgcntry72]

Did I need a strap or winch line from anyone? Did I go up the harder side or the easier side? Did I go up some harder obstacles that few or no others in our group did?

Not to be mean, but your rig could take that line if you reached in, popped the tranny into low, shut the door, and stood there and watched.

You, or someone, built a nice rig. Take comfort in that, to be sure.

I gave some shit, nothing more.
You chose to get all butt-hurt, and then bring in your 'yes-man' to defend the rig he helped build.
More than a couple of people were offering pointers about getting up that ledge, but you chose not to listen, and flatten a beadlock backing up 50 yards to try the same line.
You made it, but you cut a ham sandwich with a chainsaw, in effect.

Let me know who PMd you and said I was jealous.
Better yet, let them chime in.
Sounds like the sackless ramblings of someone who is inventing support.
Have a nice day, wondering if the neighbors blow their snow onto your lawn on purpose.

[Gil BullyKatz]

Gil - you wrote "Your rig LOOKED good, I wanted to see someone actually wheel it, but I didn't get a chance to, I did green then rotated my axle in the quarry." If you didn't get a chance to see me wheel it, why are you so critical?


So your definition of critical is me expecting to see a rig like yours being wheeled? Because that's what I asked for...

I wanna see pics of this guy actually wheeling with his front/rear 60's and 1.5" of uptravel...

Tell me you haven't seen countless rigs like yours sitting pretty?

Since I didn't SEE your rig on trail I wanted pics or someone who did to chime in...

pics were posted, eyewitnesses chimed in and all was good...

Face it...

When you pull up to an event in a rig built like yours...

You're going to HAVE to prove that it does get dirty...

I personally don't care if you bought it built...

Still a nice rig...

You just gotta not take it personal and get defensive when you're asked to show AND go...

Remember that this is all in good fun

example: Any idea how many exotic sports cars I see on a daily basis doing 45mph on the highway?

It's a crime.

Me thinks you need to drink more around campfires...

:D

[OT]

Me thinks you need to drink more around campfires...

:D
Not my campfire.

Fact is, I've SEEN tons of rigs built less than Dave's and they performed just as well and better.

The line taken on pink, the same line taken by only one rig...... Quit giving yourself props, Dave. The only ones making it up that line are those running 37"s and up.
My bad for not trying, I wanted to make it through the morning without breaking, so I went conservative.
Truth be told, had I been behind you on pink, I would have had to bash into that ledge just to try to show you up.

Nice rig, but I'm not impressed.

[onaXJ98]

**Someone needs to teach me how to use that "Quote" feature, I'm tired from typing.

Just click the quote button. It's really that simple.

[HaleYes]

NAXJA is awesome (I'm member #259 by the way, so I wasn't born last night).

Dave
Perhaps you overlooked my previous post so I'm calling it again......

Yo Dave! If you're a member, why is your name not in red??

[DaveG]

Haleyes - Honestly, I have no idea what turns the user name red. My member name is GrayDave if I remember, it's been a few years. I don't enter a password when I come to the forum, it just says "logged on as DaveG. Maybe I registered as a forum user once as DaveG.

My NAXJA newsletter and membership card say #259.

Happy wheelin!

Dave

[DaveG]

According to Okie Terry and bgcnrty72, the only ones making it up that line are those running 37"s and up, but my 38s could idle up it unmanned. Do you really believe 1" could make that difference?

Don't flatter yourself, I'm not hurt - just annoyed because once again, you guys are full of unrelated sayings, personal jabs, and BS, but you never employ any LOGIC. If you have a point or opinion, fine. Just make some sense.

[BajaXJ92]

According to Okie Terry and bgcnrty72, the only ones making it up that line are those running 37"s and up, but my 38s could idle up it unmanned. Do you really believe 1" could make that difference?

Don't flatter yourself, I'm not hurt - just annoyed because once again, you guys are full of unrelated sayings, personal jabs, and BS, but you never employ any LOGIC. If you have a point or opinion, fine. Just make some sense.

Are you done? Or do you plan to continue on your quest to "defend the honor" on the interweb.

Perhaps the proverbial bottle of cough syrup should be passed to you, yourself, as if an olympic torch, in good faith.

You come on here and whine, then expect someone, anyone, to conform to your malcontent, only to find that your mileage is varying more than your up-travel.

The only logic here that needs to be employed, is taking a step back, and realizing that not only did you obviously make a jackass of yourself in person, now the entire rest of the e-world knows you're a jack-wipe. :speepin:

[Bloose]

I must have missed him making a Jackass of himself at Winterfest. Things sure can get nasty on here. I know for a fact I made a Jack Ass of myself last year. There were only a few who did it this year (not that that's a bad thing).

Can't a guy talk up his rig without being called a Jackass???

Everyone needs to take a pill, especially the ones calling each other names! :kissyou:

B-loose

[jeg]

[QUOTE=bgcntry72]Not to be mean, but your rig could take that line if you reached in, popped the tranny into low, shut the door, and stood there and watched.

Not really taking sides, cuz I wasn't there.

But, I thought that going slow increased the control of the vehicle. Going slow I was told allowed the driver to have a greater amount of time to react to the situation at hand. Thus allowing for corrections in order to stay greasy side down.

Don't get me wrong, I like to see rollovers. I have actually rolled my XJ, and a Ford Ranger.

[Bloose]

There's much truth to that but momentum is a mighty tool. Many times to get our hulks up ledges some momentum is needed. I've seen people do it both ways. My jeep goes lots of places just because of momentum, other more built rigs may not need as much. What does happen a lot though is that guys with huge rigs (over 35" tires) want to "crawl" everything. This may be because their high center of gravity makes their Jeeps more unstable. It may be because in most cases they can. It may be because they don't want to break stuff that is highly stressed because of their rigs size. Whatever the case is many times it takes them way more time and is way more boring to stand around and watch than a guy banging his way up ledges on 32's, then driving home cross country with that very Jeep.

To be honest I have seen very good drivers do it both ways. I think the point some are trying to make is that with a rigs as built as the one in question many of the obstacles should have been pretty easy. But I have been to Attica many times and made it up Rock Face (which no one tried this year?) when guys with much bigger rigs (read 38's) couldn't even get out of the creek. Does this make me a great driver? Do I have a great rig? No on both accounts. I followed my spotter’s instructions (I have to thank Oneton for most of my successes) and used plenty of momentum. More momentum on those bigger Jeeps may have put them on their lid or insured many broken parts. So I never criticize people for their driving style. What they're comfortable with may or may not be successful but who the hell am I to say. Just because I've been to Moab, Tellico, up rock face, etc, etc, surely doesn't make me an expert, especially not an expert on someone else’s rig.

B-loose

[XJJPR]

OMG!!!!

Remind me NEVER to bring my orange junk to wheel with you guys!

OMG!!!!

You all can't stay home and get along and you can't wheel and get along! :rolleyes:

STFU!!!!!!!!!! And just be nice!

:D

hinkley

[Roxtar]

kid4lyf - you wrote, "Anyone gets shit if it's warranted." We hadn't even left the parking lot, how could it have been already warranted? What do you recommend to "fix" my limited up travel, more lift? I've been there, too tippy for serious wheelin.

Lighten up Frances.
If you consider the questions that you heard in the parking lot "getting shit" then you really do want to steer clear of this place. The first "shit" you heard, if memory serves, was at the campfire and that was a little joking jab as to your "bumpstops being under the gas pedal".
Wow, that's nasty.
No one here advocates powering up something you can crawl. The problem is you weren't making it, your spotter told you to bump it a little and you refused. For that you got a joking jab. Gee whiz Dave, we're sorry.
BTW, if you're really asking, you don't need more lift, you need the lift you have to give a little flex. Flex doesn't make you tippy, no flex makes you tippy. (and yes, your bumpstops are too close-deal with it)
These are the kind of things you'd learn if you bothered to actually listen instead of holding on to your, "everyone is just jealous", BS. (said in best whiny child voice).
Skin, go thick or go JU.

[Lincoln]

OMG!!!!

Remind me NEVER to bring my orange junk to wheel with you guys!

OMG!!!!

You all can't stay home and get along and you can't wheel and get along! :rolleyes:

STFU!!!!!!!!!! And just be nice!

:D

hinkley

I think he schooled them and got their panties all twisted up. You forget knowbody knows as much about wheeling as the midwest crew. Someday I want to be just like them. :D

[rockwerks]

I think he schooled them and got their panties all twisted up. You forget knowbody knows as much about wheeling as the midwest crew. Someday I want to be just like them. :D

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: ME TOO!!

[Roxtar]

And just be nice!
:D
hinkley
This IS nice.

[bgcntry72]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: ME TOO!!

Thank (deity) for xjnation's input.
The answer to a question no one asked.
:laugh2:

[Lawn Cher']

OMG!!!!

Remind me NEVER to bring my orange junk to wheel with you guys!

OMG!!!!

You all can't stay home and get along and you can't wheel and get along! :rolleyes:

STFU!!!!!!!!!! And just be nice!

:D

hinkley

Can someone PULEEZE go to Hinkley's house and physically remove his friggin' "!" key.

[jeeplas]

Haleyes - Honestly, I have no idea what turns the user name red. My member name is GrayDave if I remember, it's been a few years. I don't enter a password when I come to the forum, it just says "logged on as DaveG. Maybe I registered as a forum user once as DaveG.

My NAXJA newsletter and membership card say #259.

Happy wheelin!

Dave

There is no graydave on the users list. If you did not renew your membership after the first year, you are no longer a member. You are now a forum user, that is why your name is in black and not red.

[bgcntry72]

There is no graydave on the users list. If you did not renew your membership after the first year, you are no longer a member. You are now a forum user, that is why your name is in black and not red.

Maybe drop the 'r'?
:roflmao:

[HaleYes]

Maybe drop the 'r'?
:roflmao:

LMAO!!lastara :roflmao: Is BGCountry ever at a loss of words!!

[Flowers]

Is thread for real? :rattle:

I witnessed Dave wheel his rig in the quarry on obstacles that I saw none of you guys try. So according to your own logic....you guys didn't wheel. He showed up, he "crawled" his beautiful rig on stuff I wouldn't even try in the Zuki, he has his own low stress driving style, and I didn't see him bitching on the 5 page thread about not having showers....'nuff said. Why you gotta hate?

BTW BC. Your giving shit to the guy for not building his own rig. Who are these guys?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/bgcntry72/Day2SwapCrew.jpg

[seanR]

Who are these guys?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/bgcntry72/Day2SwapCrew.jpg
From Left to right, A cave dweller, A Wood butcher, A Metal bitch, A very patient lady, A pervert, A goof ball, A landscaper, and a linguist!!

[Roxtar]

This is getting too funny.
Someone go back and read the orig offending posts.
A couple joking jabs and all of a sudden it's the Dave vs MWC.
Bloose, of course a guy can talk up his rig without being a Jackass. A person can also toss a little shit without being a Jackass. "Hi, I don't think we've met, my name is Mo, Mo Mentem" That's just good shit, I don't care who you are. Give and take, a MWC campfire tradition. No reason for anyone to get all butt-hurt.
I'm gonna take a wild shot and say teasing wasn't allowed in some of your homes when you were growing up, huh.

Dave, we like your rig, we even like you. Maybe a tiny bit less than last week :D but that can change.
Laugh, take yourself a little less seriously. This is supposed to be fun.

[bgcntry72]

This is getting too funny.
Someone go back and read the orig offending posts.
A couple joking jabs and all of a sudden it's the Dave vs MWC.
Bloose, of course a guy can talk up his rig without being a Jackass. A person can also toss a little shit without being a Jackass. "Hi, I don't think we've met, my name is Mo, Mo Mentem" That's just good shit, I don't care who you are. Give and take, a MWC campfire tradition. No reason for anyone to get all butt-hurt.
I'm gonna take a wild shot and say teasing wasn't allowed in some of your homes when you were growing up, huh.

Dave, we like your rig, we even like you. Maybe a tiny bit less than last week :D but that can change.
Laugh, take yourself a little less seriously. This is supposed to be fun.

x2...
Its not the MWC's fight, its mine.
I am the loudest, and therefore I must have started it.
Let the Flowers of the world rise up.

[Lawn Cher']

Let the Flowers of the world rise up.

http://www.mooreshardware.biz/images/955-1193%20MIRACLE%20GRO.jpg

[jjchgo]

lol since when does the MWC=pirate4x4.com...

personally if i didnt know guys and i show and someone or better yet an entire group wanted to give me shit, you would get a nice friendly xxxxx xcxx xxxx xxxxx you to your face and over the internet. some of you really need to let stuff go.

cheers,

jj

[bgcntry72]

lol since when does the MWC=pirate4x4.com...

personally if i didnt know guys and i show and someone or better yet an entire group wanted to give me shit, you would get a nice friendly XXXX you to your face and over the internet. some of you really need to let stuff go.

cheers,

jj

You want some?
:laugh2:

[jjchgo]

You want some?
:laugh2:

watch yourself.

we can handle this like gentlemen or we can get into some gansta shit. :kissyou:

cheers,

jj

[KY Chris]

Is thread for real? :rattle:

I witnessed Dave wheel his rig in the quarry on obstacles that I saw none of you guys try. So according to your own logic....you guys didn't wheel. He showed up, he "crawled" his beautiful rig on stuff I wouldn't even try in the Zuki, he has his own low stress driving style, and I didn't see him bitching on the 5 page thread about not having showers....'nuff said. Why you gotta hate?

BTW BC. Your giving shit to the guy for not building his own rig. Who are these guys?



I seen that shit too, yo.

[xjfan1974]

I am not really sure what the big deal is. I have ridin with DaveG. he has a super nice built rig. And he is a hell of a nice guy. Why do you have to nit-pick his rig for or the way he drives...

[XJ_ranger]

I am not really sure what the big deal is. I have ridin with DaveG. he has a super nice built rig. And he is a hell of a nice guy. Why do you have to nit-pick his rig for or the way he drives...

awesome fist post...

DaveG - your best bet is to stop giving these guys ammo and instead take what they are saying as it is -

in the end its your rig, no matter who built it, and when everyone says get intimate with a sazall and make your upstuff better, either take thier advice or tell the to piss off - dont be a hero, it wont get you anywhere...

Read: 4.5" in the front and .41" in the rear.
Your rig looked like it was hauling lead plates for the railroad in the cargo area.
No, I don't know what lead plates would be used for, and why the railroad would need them, but it sounds heavy, and his azz was as saggy as my grandma from Boca.

working on the rear... maybe i should take the railroad ties out... and the spare longblock i got back there.... either that or spend the $$$ to get my SYE and DS and feel safe finishing the rear end...

[jeg]

Bloose, thanks.

I know how momentum can be our friend. I started out as a stocker like many of us do, and progressed up to 31's with no lift. There were many times that I had to use that friend to go where I wanted.

I still have to use it from time to time, even though I'm now on "37 MT/R's :)

I hadn't ever really been involved in this site, but now that I am, I've been learning things that I never knew about Cherokees.

[OT]

Bloose, thanks.

I started out as a stocker like many of us do......
Not enough of us do.......Good on ya.

[bgcntry72]

I started out with a vintage stepside bed that screamed 'willys'.
Fear the belt buckle.

[seanR]

Fear the belt buckle.
NO, NOT THAT! :scared:
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[bgcntry72]

NO, NOT THAT! :scared:
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[DaveG]

A couple of you guys are actually growing on me. You say what you think, can take a little razzin', you pick up on sarcasm, and you wheel online AND on the trail.

Have you ever been wheelin and had a total stranger pop out of a rig smaller than yours and start spotting you when you didn't ask for one? You guys know each other and have wheeled together, but it could be Helen Keller spotting for all I know.

My handy dandy psychological handbook says you have to wheel with someone a little to appreciate their skills and knowledge, you don't just assume it of strangers. In fact, human nature is to you assume the opposite. In a random group of people, you assume the loudest guy must be compensating for not knowing shit, and the guy w/the bigger rig must be compensating for not being able to drive.

Usually I rather skip the foreplay, but this time it may have gotten us off on the wrong foot.

See you next time,
Dave

[bgcntry72]

In a random group of people, you assume the loudest guy must be compensating for not knowing shit, and the guy w/the bigger rig must be compensating for not being able to drive.See you next time,
Dave

Aren't assumptions great?
Trust is something you have to give to get.
NO ONE there wanted to see you get into trouble.
If someone with little to no exp. was spotting, we would have stepped in.
I have no desire to walk someone into a flop.
I also would wager that I have a great deal more 'seat-time' than you do.
If I am wrong, and you have been doing this for years, then disregard this message, as your cause is *lost*.
Quit apologizing with words like 'logic' and 'compensating' and 'random'.
Freud was not a wheeler, AFAIK.
I did not get this XXXXy on the trail by driving with my feet, none of us did.
Make a note.

[Lawn Cher']

I started out with a vintage stepside bed that screamed 'willys'.


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[Lawn Cher']

Usually I rather skip the foreplay, but this time it may have gotten us off...

See you next time,
GAY Dave

Fixed it for ya.

HTH