warn 8274 motor is TOAST!

[Beezil]

welp, just came up from the basement....

did exploratory surgery on the warn winch.

ouch!

you should see the motor.....

it looks like a practical joke. It looks like someone snuck the windings out of the thing and dumped a sack of smashedup wedding china and galvazied roofing nails inside!

since I think "warranty" is a time-consuming joke at this point, anyone have any good ideas for me?

is a warn motor the only way to go?

[RCP Phx]

Take it to a starter/altenator shop!That was the only way I could get my old Ramsey motor fixed(rebuilt)!Price was good too!

[4ward]

I've got a feeling that's what I'm going to find when I split Tim's case apart this weekend. At least when I take 'em out, I do it right.

Sean

[Beezil]

maybe something like this?

http://users.rcn.com/beezil/public/AUT_3320.JPG

rcp, naw man I mean the thing is WASTED.

the ONLY thing that isn't totally fried on it is the motor housing itself.

[RCP Phx]

That makes mine looks like a brand new Porche compared to my Ramsey motor.All they need is a core that can be rewound!

[XJJPR]

B,

Your going to need to go full hydro. :D


That sucks.

Now you're going to need to buy a normal winch like the rest of us. One of Sean's favorite type, you know the type that pulled his sorry a$$ out of that canyon. :D

mark

[4ward]

You're talkin' about that same type that left my sorry ass IN a canyon.

[XJJPR]

That was at the bottom of a waterfall not a canyon. :D

mark

[What Rd]

Daaaaamn, Beezil.
With all that motor debris bouncing around, I'm surprised you didn't have a nasty case of death wobble!
;)

[CRASH]

Time to step up to a Ramsey.

Or better yet, a Pierce......just ask Troy..

Tow truck winches are cool.

CRASH

[KY Chris]

Wasn't that motor giving you fits at Winterfest? Or was it solenoids? Damn, what a joke. They gotta warantee that. For now, slap a new gradicular giraffe rod in there and wail on it.

[Beezil]

funny you should mention that. I was Pm'ing with Evonne goolagong, and she wanted me to use the tangerine method.

[Willis]

I burnt my motor on my 8274 too. It did not look like that though. You can upgrade to the high HP one (unless that's what you already have, kinda looks like it). I upgraded a year ago. Cost just over $200 if I remember correctly. Find some of the Warn dealers online like Pirate, they don't add much markup. That would be the best bet.

Steve

[Cheropair]

Looks like the only option is to box the whole she-bang up, including all of the misc. nuts, bolts,solenoids, and the cable - then ship it to me for recycling. I'll give you twice scrap metal value (about $5), and I'll pay for shipping to Kansas City......This way you will be helping the environment, and I'm sure that I will be able to recycle all of the parts into a project around here :rolleyes:

If you won't fall for that, look in the yellow pages under Motor, Electric - Repair Services. I've found these guys have a little better grasp of what's what with this type of motor, vs the alternator/starter guys. May have more to do with one shop vs. another than any real difference.

You might want to check "Graingers" and others for a replacement motor - the 8274 motor is very similar to one that I have in a hydraulic power pack on a lift at work - when it went south, best $$ option was a replacement from Graingers.

[TRL WGN 1]

May be worth a call to Warn, depending on the age. I know that they have treated some people really good on their motors, with you sending yours in and them just sending you a new one. Phone calls are cheap

[TRL WGN 1]

Try giving Warn a call first. At my last local club run, I was talking with a 4x4 shop owner, and he stated that he had sent back a burnt out Warn motor that was over 1 1/2 years old, low hp, and they sent him a new high hp motor free of charge.
May be worth a shot

[Hunter-Lynchburg,Va]

call up warn customer service. there reps are very good people, ive heard of all sorts of free parts (hubs, winch controllers, diff guards, hub fuses, etc.. for vechicles in the build process) coming from these guys, after the initial servicing/ fix your current problem has been taken care of. not to mention freebies for clubs such as NAXJA

Hunter

[motorman]

Damn Beezil, I am surprised that thing spun long enough to do that much damage. You would think it would self destruct and come to a grinding halt way before it would comsume itself that much.

After seeing you haul Sean up that waterfall I was all set to find an 8274 and build a bumper around it. Now I am sitting here thinking that the weak link on the warn's is the motor.....first Sean(all his mechanicals and solenoids checked out fine if you remember) and now yours.

Be sure to post whatever route you end up going on redoing the motor. My 9000 is making noises as if the motor is going. Gears, etc look fine like Sean's so I expect to be doing just an electrical replace.

I do have a local starter rebuild shop that I may ask to look at redoing the winch. Afterall, an electrical motor is pretty basic/similar?!

Then again, I may have to look into what it would take to do a rebuild myself. May be a business opp a knockin here!

[Ralph]

How the heck did you do that? I thought those 8274's were supposed to be some kind of bad a$$ winch.

RR3

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

General Rule of thumb to avoid that kind of burnt motor:

When winching with a load, winch for one minute, let it cool for 2 minutes, and repeat. This will let the motor cool and let your charging system recover.

This little tidbit was given to me by Harry Robinson, the original owner of Link Arc, when he was helping me install a dual battery setup in my flattie prior to a trip to surprise canyon.

With his advise, and extensive winch work, I still have the same winch, motor and batteries, and they're in good shape.

Dan

[Beezil]

welp. got off the phone with warn.

they handed me off to gds.....

warn has a one-year warranty on electricals, and does not warranty on abuse.

if the winch was newer than one year, which it is not (4/24/02) than I would send the ENTIRE winch down to GDS outside of st.louis where they would determine wether or not the winch was abused. I pay shipping there, they fix, and pay for shipping back.

out-of-waranty repairs i pay shipping both ways, and whatever the repair costs.

I'm gonna send the thing to one of my motor guys to see how hard they laugh.

[4ward]

Let me know how your local builder goes. You bought your new rope yet or are ya just gonna cut that section of cable out?

Sean

[Beezil]

that damn cable is broken right in the smack-dab middle of it.

I did buy the rope.

I can get the cable repaired, maybe keep it in the trailbox as one of those last-resort spares.

I e-mailed the pic to my motor guy. he specializes in dc motors, does all the motors for our forklifts....

first thing he said was "how in THE hell were you able to do THAT much damage without scorching the lead cables?"

then he went on to say that repair would probably cost as much as replacement.

he also was hesitant since he was unsure if he could get replacement parts for a motor made in brazil. He figured it was either "brand a or brand b" forgoet what he was mumbling about that particular issue.

he gave me one number to call, someplace in rockford.

I have a couple local leads to check yet, but I already have two expert opinions that this motor is totally fawked. The only thing that is not damaged is the housing. EVERYTHING ELSE is wasted.

I did a number on this thang.

[TOZOVR]

Seriously Beez, did you just haul him straight up? No Pauses? Use a snatchblock? Good jesus, were ya abusing it? Sure looks it LOL!!!

I saw Lawn Cher this weekend...stoked on his Hydro Purchase;)

[Beezil]

I didn't waste the winch pulling up sean.

it happened later. Musta been on pritchett canyon. I don't remember where exactly.

sean said something about a puff of smoke. i didn't see it cause i was in the jeep. when I was winching sean, i was outside the jeep so it didn't happen then.

yeah, we did use a snatch block hauling sean up the waterfall.

these were no candy-ass winch pulls btw......

[Beezil]

aw shit....

lawncher, please e-mail me....

I'm a total jackass.....

the winch is fine, and everything is in order...

I'll explain...

pm me please if you read this.

[Beezil]

one smack,

when are you gonna open little timmys winch?

if you cannot spin the drum, I'm almost sure that motor is gonna look like mine.

pray you have a better time with the warranty department, cause a replacement motor is pretty fawkin expensive.

[4ward]

I'm opening it this weekend. The gear side was locked up, Keith fixed that. It freespools now at least. I'm hoping that Tim's doesn't look that bad. I figure it's going to cost me $200 no matter what route if the warranty folks aren't being nice.

[Flowers]

I hope my motor doesn't look like that!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take Ky's advice, he knows his loopis.

Sean,

Give me jingle after you open it up. If the 9500 motor looks as bad as the 8274, I'll call the regional Warn rep. for an explanation.

Flowers

[Beezil]

the explanation is:

you fawked up a winch, congratulations no-warranty boy.

just be glad that a winch is the only thing you brought.

none of us had a chance to trash anything else.

but, we'll have our chance soon enough

(evil snicker)

[ChEwBaCcA]

Beezil,

You may want to call Dresslers in Glen Ellyn , Ive heard there isnt anything they cant do....theyve been around since the 40's or 50's

Lot of old world folks if ya know what i mean ....like Middlelands... you should be able to work with them

Chewy

[Beezil]

so, you want me to go over by the dresslers, and start off the conversation by saying "We gotta little PROWLBLEM wit dis ting here".........

hows that?

[ChEwBaCcA]

and then do a "Tis is CRAZY, I tel yaa , Crazy tis is"

got it, good

but for real they are said to be the place to go

[motorman]

You truly have to love the midwest and its "we can fix it" mentality.

Originally from Cleveland and have lived all over the US. Miss the MidWest "can do" and being able to start out a conversation with ............."We gotta little PROWLBLEM wit dis ting here".........

Great Quote Beez! Brought back some memories from growin up.
Had an old Czech guy in town who sold tires. He use to break the beads by hand. Strong as an ox. But you had to know how to talk "old country" to him to get a deal!