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Central locking

8Mud

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Does anyone know a trick, to help the central locking, work reliably in the winter. Both my 95 and 88 hang from time to time, especially in the rear doors. I´ve tried some various lubricants and such in the 87 we used to have, none seemed to help much or for long.
 
part of the problem in winter when its very cold is that the battery may not be putting out the amps / volts to move the motors efficiently.... You may also notice your engine crank a lot slower in cold weather....this may be why the lube does not do the trick....maybe it needs more juice...
 
Here is a fix I have shared before and many others have done on there pre 91 s w. much success.

My Power Door Lock Fix.
(The fix should work for pre 91s, thereafter the wiring is different)

After 5 or more yrs of battling the reluctant power door locks on my 89 Jeep Cherokee, I believe I have finally won this battle. My problem was low voltage which prevented my hatch and driver's side rear door from always unlocking. In very cold weather the low voltage is not strong enough to lock or unlock the very cold and stiff lock mechanisms all the doors and hatch. Now lately even the driver’s front door wouldn’t unlock in warm weather. The cause was volts were less than 8 at the rear hatch and rear driver’s side door and about 8.5 volts at all the other doors except the passenger front door lock motor which gets over 10 volts. Apparently this problem is not as frequent on post 90s due to the wiring change that first appeared on the 91s. Redoing the wiring to match the 91s is possible but more difficult and time consuming.

I have the factory service manual, so I have been able to trace everything. I have keyless entry w. remote, which has two relays in the passenger side kick panel. Power goes to the master switch on driver’s door and to the passenger door switch. Power also goes to the keyless/remote relays. I had 12.4 volts going into all those relays and switches. The ground path is through the driver’s side master switch then to the body ground. All pwr and the ground flows through the passenger side switch to lock or unlock the door locks regardless of whether you use either of the door switches or the remote/keyless/relays (i.e., the remote signal triggers the relays).

I was only getting 10.5 volts coming out of the front door passenger switch measured at the wire harness connector in the passenger side kick panel where the wires come out of the door. Note, inside the door there is a splice to that door's lock pulling off some volts. By the time that 10.5 volts makes it across the car to the driver’s side kick panel wire harness connectors it was only 8.5 volts. Along the way the lock and unlock wires hit splices under front carpet under the driver’s side for the driver’s front door, driver’s rear door/hatch and passenger side rear door. I checked the splices and they were clean and tight. The voltage to the rear hatch and driver’s side rear door drops even more at the final splice to the rear hatch which near the driver’s side rear door.

Solution: I used new relays and sockets that I bought from radio shack online (see link below) (they were not available at local radio shack stores). I wired them into the lock and unlock wires in passenger kick panel and let me tell you those lock motors slammed open and closed so hard the fillings in my teeth rattled. I measured volts at the driver’s side kick panel (after the splices under the carpet) and it was now 10.5 (up from 8.5) volts – so I juiced up the voltage to give the lock motors more power. I tested all the switches, wires and relays pre my factory service manual and all appeared to be fine. I suspect that, since the wires are all the same gauge going through the splices to the lock motors, not enough volts were provided through the system to each motor to work the lock mechanisms when they get old/cold and stiff.

This is how the wiring system from the factory works. Coming out of the passenger door switch the lock wire is light green and the unlock wire is tan and they stay that color all the way to all the lock motors. The lock and unlock wires function as power and ground alternately. So when you move the switch to the lock position volts go through the lgreen wire to all lock motors and the tan wire functions as the ground path back from the lock motors through the passenger side switch then to the master switch and then to the body ground. When hitting unlock the reverse is true tan is pwr and lgreen is the ground path. All of that is helpful information to know in understanding the system.

Here is how I did the wiring: I used two 12v relays just like the ones used for remote keyless entry. They have 5 blades: 86 is trigger pwr from the passenger door switch; 85 is ground for the relay trigger side; 87 is the new pwr source; 30 is the path to the lock and 87a is to ground (substituting for the ground through the driver door switch). I cut the lgreen and tan wire about 5 inches forward of the wire harness connector that connects the wires to the wires coming out of the passenger frnt dr. In this example I attached the tan unlock wire coming from the passenger front door to 86 (red socket wire) and 85 (purple wire) to ground; 30 (yellow) is attached to the tan wire going to the door locks (the wire going in the wire harness going to the driver’s side not the wire going to the passenger door); and 87a (white) is to ground. I used the new 10 gauge pwr line I had previously run to the battery/starter relay post with a 30 amp inline fuse. You can take off pwr from a splice on the red pwr wires in the wire harness going to the relays (there is a thick red wire in the harness at the splice but I do not recommend this since you may not get enough amps from this already over loaded splice – I didn’t!). (Note the socket wire colors are valid for the radio shack sockets I was using – you need to verify which of your socket wire colors correspond to the relay blade numbers.)

Here is how to run a power wire to the battery. You can either drill a hole in the bulkhead below the ac/heat about 6 inches above the floor on the passenger side or do as I did and run it as follows: Hook 10 gauge line to the power distribution lug on the starter relay ( the silver thing near the batter). The lug is the one the positive battery cable goes to from the battery. I used an inline 10 gauge line with a 30 amp fuse already in the line (the line is about 6- 12 inches long and is available at autozone etc). Remove the fuse while working. Splice that line onto a 10 gauge wire (long enough to reach the kickpanel area) with yellow crimp butt connectors (for 10-12 gauge wire) and tape w. electrical tape. Attach the fused end to the starter relay battery lug using a yellow (for 10-12 gauge wire) circle loop crimp butt connector big enough to fit over the lug and tape the connector to the wire after crimping onto the bare end of the wire. Then run the 10 gauge wire to the corner of the fender and hood on passenger side near windshield. At that point there should be a gap just inside the edge of the fender through which you can push the wire into the fender. (If no gap you can also drill a hole into the metal fender inner panel into the engine compartment or find an existing hole and run the wire into the fender behind the plastic fender liner.) Note always protect wires going through a metal hole or gap from getting cut by insulating the wire from sharp edges -- silicone sealent for holes and perhaps a plastic shield or alot of extra elect tape around the wire for the fender gap area. Push alot of extra wire down into the fender so you can try to fish it out with a hooked piece of hanger wire from the kickpanel side through the hole for the rubber antenna wire bung. Note pull the rubber bung into the kickpanel so you can pull the wire through the hole then run it through the rubber bung and reinsert the bung into the hole. (If you have trouble fishing out the wire you can detach the parts of the inner plastic fender liner (held on w. pushin plastic fasteners) from the engine side as opposed to the fender edge side and bend it back enough to get access to the inside of the fender so you can run the wire into the kickpanel through the bung hole.) Attach the two wires (with about 1/4 inch bare wire showing on the ends) from the 87 terminals on the relays into one end of a yellow crimp butt connector and crimp tightly of course and run the the new power wire into the other end and crimp tightly and tape w. electric tape to keep the wire from pulling out of the connector etc. Insert the fuse in the line and replace kickpanel cover and your done.

The key to making this work was 87a to ground. When the lgreen or tan wire are not in pwr mode they provide a ground path through the driver’s side switch to the body ground. With my new relays I substituted a new body ground which is necessary to allow the relays to increase voltage and still allow the system to work. The locks now all slam open and closed even in very cold weather. The repair should take about 45 minutes. I now know of a few people who have used my fix on their Cherokees with great success. Hope this helps someone else! However, anyone using my fix must do so at their own risk and liability. Greg

Radio Shack online no longer shows the parts I used so for your convenience I listed the ones from Partsexpress below, which are even lower in price.
12 Volt, 30 Amp rated, 5 Blade Relay and 5 Blade Relay Socket. Get two of each. See attached link.
Partsexpress part number 330-70 and 330-75.
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/show...48&St3=29434587&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=9682&DID=7


On your 95 I would try disconnecting the pwr wire to the two relays in your passenger side kick panel and instead running a 10 gauge pwr wire to the battery lug on the starter relay (it is near the battery) with an inline 30 amp fuse (put the fuse in the line in the engine compartment for accessiblility). The thicker wire will help get stronger current/amps to the relays and from a separate circuit from the orig pwr to the relays which is also pulling pwr to other parts of the lock system at the same time.
 
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Thanks for getting me on the right track. Not enough juice sounds like a good place to start. I´ve got to go in the door (88), in the next few days to install some speakers, I´m gonna sample the voltage in the system. The 88 isn´t the keyless system (but central)(it had an after market central locking/alarm, that I pulled and tossed, was really messing with my ignition), a dedicated power cable, might also cure my problems there, easy to make a test. Did some research and came to find out, my wiring may be a little differnt, export model.
The 95 often requires only a double klick of the keyless, when it gets really annoying, I´ll try a dedicated power supply, directly from a high amp source. And check the relays.

You mentioned much of the wiring is under the drivers side carpet, have had trouble in that area before (other/older XJ´s), worn, chaffed wires and line loss, through wet/moist carpet padding. (Getting old I forget).

One of those jobs, you put off, until it gets really annoying or your CD´s get stolen because the door was open.

Thanx again, Chuck
 
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