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jeffnboise
October 21st, 2017, 15:35
'97 Sport, 4x4, 4.0. Jeep as brand new Crown HD leafs, Bill 5100s and Moog progressive coils with 1.75 spacers. RV is single axel, just under 2K. Hitch is 2" with a 2" drop. I'm new to towing, but it looks like I'm squatting. Would a hitch with more drop help? RV doesn't look quite level. Suggestions??https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171021/a42d37de316d53dbde3bb12246576c8a.jpg

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Heavyopp
October 21st, 2017, 18:21
Hitch isn't going to change the squat in the XJ rear

Add a leaf -- helper spring type thing in the rear leaf packs might

Can you change to tongue weight on that trailer? Anything loaded in the trailer gear wise?

Maybe do your best to keep heavy items in the trailer towards the rear of the trailer, behind the axle

JohnX
October 21st, 2017, 20:14
Drop hitch will get the trailer level, but will not change the current level of the jeep.

My suggestion would be a 2-3 inch drop hitch, and air shocks in the rear of the jeep. You should be able to get both riding level with those 2 changes.

Do not remove tongue weight without first measuring tongue weight. Aim for 200-300 lbs tongue weight. With a trailer that small you can even use a bathroom scale to check it.

jeffnboise
October 21st, 2017, 20:46
Drop hitch will get the trailer level, but will not change the current level of the jeep.

My suggestion would be a 2-3 inch drop hitch, and air shocks in the rear of the jeep. You should be able to get both riding level with those 2 changes.

Do not remove tongue weight without first measuring tongue weight. Aim for 200-300 lbs tongue weight. With a trailer that small you can even use a bathroom scale to check it.Can I run with it? Or do I need to fix before taking her out?

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Heavyopp
October 21st, 2017, 20:53
Do not remove tongue weight without first measuring tongue weight. Aim for 200-300 lbs tongue weight. With a trailer that small you can even use a bathroom scale to check it.


he is certainly right -- I made the mistake of assuming you had too much tongue weight

Not enough tongue weight is worse than too much -- the trailer will sway wildly at speed with too little tongue weight

Can you lift front of the trailer by yourself not using the trailer jack?

jeffnboise
October 22nd, 2017, 09:16
he is certainly right -- I made the mistake of assuming you had too much tongue weight

Not enough tongue weight is worse than too much -- the trailer will sway wildly at speed with too little tongue weight

Can you lift front of the trailer by yourself not using the trailer jack?Yes.

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Jeep Driver
October 22nd, 2017, 10:15
I have the exact same springs on my XJ, regrettably, Moog springs suck.
XJ sits perfectly level, you have added spacers, you have to be squatting before you connect your trailer.


http://i.imgur.com/I0TZz5a.jpg (https://imgur.com/I0TZz5a)

I pull a trailer every day. Keep your tongue weight at 10% of load. Assuming that your popup is 1800, your tongue should be 180. At 180 there is no way your XJ should have the stance you show in your pic.
This trailer has about 400lbs at the tongue, truck should not drop more than 1". You only have about 4" of down travel anyway.
I used to pull this trailer with my MJ, GS springs, never squatted more than 1/2", with my current GS springs, I doubt it would drop at all.

http://i.imgur.com/YJL1hfu.jpg (https://imgur.com/YJL1hfu)


You'd have been much better off with OME 930 with no pucks/spacers.

jeffnboise
October 22nd, 2017, 10:30
I have the exact same springs on my XJ, regrettably, Moog springs suck.
XJ sits perfectly level, you have added spacers, you have to be squatting before you connect your trailer.


http://i.imgur.com/I0TZz5a.jpg (https://imgur.com/I0TZz5a)

I pull a trailer every day. Keep your tongue weight at 10% of load. Assuming that your popup is 1800, your tongue should be 180. At 180 there is no way your XJ should have the stance you show in your pic.
This trailer has about 400lbs at the tongue, truck should not drop more than 1". You only have about 4" of down travel anyway.
I used to pull this trailer with my MJ, GS springs, never squatted more than 1/2", with my current GS springs, I doubt it would drop at all.

http://i.imgur.com/YJL1hfu.jpg (https://imgur.com/YJL1hfu)


You'd have been much better off with OME 930 with no pucks/spacers.Sadly, this is the "Upcountry" set up that many people have recommended. Would an EQ hitch help?

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Jeep Driver
October 22nd, 2017, 11:01
EQ hitch is overkill for 180lbs of tongue.

With that little popup and new springs..........shouldn't be squatting at all.

Don't know what to tell you.


I weigh 190, if I sit at the tailgate of my XJ........virtually nothing happens, doesn't squat, essentially that is what is happening when you hook up your trailer.

Green XJ Jeep
October 22nd, 2017, 11:43
If you did the moog upcountry coils (782) then put the spacer in there's your problem.

The rear springs and 782 coils raise the front and rear of the jeep 1.5ish inches and you added 1.75 spacers so you lifted the front over 3 and the rear 1.5