Spring creek Oct 9th

[jeepfreak1020]

So I think me and Xjcase are going to run spring creek Oct 9th if anyone wants to join is. It will be the first trail I try with my new lift and set up so I wanted to do something a little harder and that I havent done before. Not sure on time or anything yet. But just wanted to see who would be interested in joing us.

[in4aride]

i wish i had something capable of sprink creek, wanna find some trail that weekend for my bday run

[jeepfreak1020]

im at only a 4.5" lift and 33 open and im gona try it

[in4aride]

ha im stock on 30's lol, and the other jeep is on jack stands hahaha

[jeepfreak1020]

o lol. well I see that could be a little problem then lol

[Kiefer316]

God what's up with all these spring creek runs?

[navyblue123]

im in wat day is thay is it a saturday?

[jeepfreak1020]

No its a Sunday

[navyblue123]

ok still in

[xjcase]

October 9th is a Saturday

[jeepfreak1020]

oops Well I ment October 10th then :) lol. Mods could you change it to the 10th plz. Thanks

Thanks for the catch casey

[navyblue123]

ok i cant go now haha i have to work on the 10th

[rokinxj94]

I would go if you were going Saturday......gotta watch football on sunday!

[YELLAHEEP]

If I can get the BOR rig fixed by then, I'm in....... it's my birthday....... :D

[Kiefer316]

Thinkin about it just to test out the new diff cover... :D

[xjcase]

Someone should convince jeepfreak that spring creek > red elephant...

[hurley842002]

Someone should convince jeepfreak that spring creek > red elephant...

Come on man, I need at least one person to go with me.:wave1:

[xjcase]

ha, we could all meet up for breakfast in dumont then part ways - perhaps smoke signals for lunch across the valley?

I'm up to run anything on the i-70 corridor really - would prefer spring creek like obstacles though

[mc01xj]

so is it saturday or sunday?

[xjcase]

This is a SUNDAY run, October 10th 2010

[Skully]

Someone should convince jeepfreak that spring creek > red elephant...


That would be for a long day of running. Red Elephant is the alternative to get to Mill Creek and you do not go down red elephant, too steep and not enough areas to pass...............

once you finish Red Elephant then you have to go down Bill Moore lake through empire to get out. Adding those two to the list would make it a very long day. When you finish Spring creek you can take a right and head down Saxon Rd. or a left and go down the confusing network of trails such as cascade creek etc.

[xjcase]

I know this, but he was considering running Elephant instead of Spring Creek - Spring creek oughta be more fun for him and I think he could get through most everything up there especially with all his brand new brown santa parts

[YELLAHEEP]

Personally, I'd rather just turn around at the top of Spring Creek and run it back down. Saxon Rd is retarded, and I have yet to make it down the other ways without spending an extra hour trying to get un-lost........

[jeepfreak1020]

I think the spring creek trip may not go down. Im not feeling beating on my rig yet that hard. With me just putting my new lift on I kinda want to do a little of a shake down easy run before that. So I think that me and xjcase and hurley are going to run red elephant on Sunday the 10 instead

[YELLAHEEP]

I think the spring creek trip may not go down. Im not feeling beating on my rig yet that hard. With me just putting my new lift on I kinda want to do a little of a shake down easy run before that. So I think that me and xjcase and hurley are going to run red elephant on Sunday the 10 instead

Weeners......... :D


I'll just be happy if I can get my rig running. If that happens, I'll hit whatever trail is being run......... but I've done Red Elephant and Bill Moore enough. Can't get enough of Spring Creek.

[Kiefer316]

Weeners......... :D


I'll just be happy if I can get my rig running. If that happens, I'll hit whatever trail is being run......... but I've done Red Elephant and Bill Moore enough. Can't get enough of Spring Creek.

Please please please get your rig runnin.

[ColoradoRaptor]

Weeners......... :D

X2 .............. I see nothing difficult about spring creek:dunno:

[.40CalPatriot]

X2 .............. I see nothing difficult about spring creek:dunno:

Its different when you are a poor college student and your rig is your DD.

[hurley842002]

I keep having to Reiterate the fact that some of us enjoy the scenery of the back country, and not just the wheeling aspect of it. Red Elephant gives a stock to mildly built rig, a small challenge, and has some cool stuff to see along the way. I still haven't been to Bill Moore lake, so I want to check it out. I can't speak for anybody else's reason for doing Red Elephant, but I like the Idea of having another rig or two come along.

[ColoradoRaptor]

Its different when you are a poor college student and your rig is your DD.

I am a poor divorced correctional officer who's rig is a DD.........:dunno:

Oh and I do go for the scenery/photo opportunities as much as the wheelin!!!!!!!!!!

[hurley842002]

Oh and I do go for the scenery/photo opportunities as much as the wheelin!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I saw your photos awhile back, very nice :thumbup:

Just seems like the majority of the folks around here are mainly interested in 7+ rated trails, where some of us like to wheel other stuff. Just a friendly reminder. Also, depending on what day you go, Red Elephant can be a pain. I've seen guys on 35's locked f/r have a hard time. As steep as it is, when its really dry it can be slick as snot.

Either way, whatever run folks choose, should be a great time.

[in4aride]

if there is anyone running spring creek sunday count me in

[jeepfreak1020]

Do you have a jeep to run spring creek? I think I'm out for spring creek, I'm having alot of problems with the jeep and the new lift and I can't afford to break anything, so I'm just gona take it easy on the jeep, if I can even get the jeep running by Saturday to even join Hurley.

[in4aride]

ya i just picked one up, 33's rear locker.
well hoory up and fix it damnit! :D

[mc01xj]

Well i plan on going, my dad and brother have 2 wheel drive sand rails (volkswagon) and said they would plan on going too, so if anyone wants to see 2WD go up with ease, show up.They went up holy cross last sat. with no problem. Open diff ,2WD, volkswagon powered dune buggies is what i grew up running, they can allmost do anything we can.

[jeepfreak1020]

lol well dam you got pics of it??

And im trying but school and work take pretty much all my time away from the jeep.
Things deff dident go right with my jeep lately, both rear shock mounts on the axle broke, so had to fix that, both bolts on the pass side crossmember broke inside the frame. Then my driver side caliper desides to take a crap on me, so now I have to replace both of those now to.

[Kiefer316]

Well i plan on going, my dad and brother have 2 wheel drive sand rails (volkswagon) and said they would plan on going too, so if anyone wants to see 2WD go up with ease, show up.They went up holy cross last sat. with no problem. Open diff ,2WD, volkswagon powered dune buggies is what i grew up running, they can allmost do anything we can.

Now that would be awesome to see!

[in4aride]

Well i plan on going, my dad and brother have 2 wheel drive sand rails (volkswagon) and said they would plan on going too, so if anyone wants to see 2WD go up with ease, show up.They went up holy cross last sat. with no problem. Open diff ,2WD, volkswagon powered dune buggies is what i grew up running, they can allmost do anything we can.
sweet what time you heading up, i have no idea where it is, never run it before....but as long as someone is going, i am in!

[xjcase]

Alright - Time to coordinate:

Sunday October 10th - Spring creek run

Meet at Mcdonalds in Idaho Springs at 8:30 (?)

In as of now:
xjcase
in4aride
mco1xj +(2wd buggies)
Kiefer316
Yella (if bor rig works right)


I am flexible on time and location of meeting place - let me know if we should change it

[in4aride]

anyone have an address, never been up there so imma need to plan ahead

[xjcase]

and Chad you're welcome to ride with me if you want

[xjcase]

Well, the normal exit would be in dumont off of i-70 however the bridge to cross the creek is still out so to get to the trail you have to take the exit off of i70 for US 40 towards winter park and then backtrack a couple miles

the atv tour place is right next to it so shoot for this:

3627 Alvarado Road
Lawson, CO 80436

[jeepfreak1020]

and Chad you're welcome to ride with me if you want

Thanks casey Ill let you know. I may choose to just ride with you and take pictures lol. Well see. PM me your number again because I forgot to save it.

[mc01xj]

One more xj with me. And yes my dad said they have a video getting e-mailed to them from someone who was up there at french creek. You can see a video of him in mickeys hot tub on hells revenge on youtube. He flips it over on its top on like the third try.

[Kiefer316]

Mike If ya wanna meet at my place we can head up I70 ill show ya the way!

[xj4xforlife]

I want to go!

I have never been all the way up Spring Creek.

[in4aride]

Mike If ya wanna meet at my place we can head up I70 ill show ya the way!
i think the plans are to stay at heathers younger sisters place. they have a house by their school on I70 and federal area.
where are you at, i think meeting up then rollin up there together would be great! thanks :thumbup:

[xjcase]

Meeting place has changed: Dumont exit 234 - the one with the truck scales and truck stop with BK and subway.

Alright - Time to coordinate:

Sunday October 10th - Spring creek run



In as of now:
xjcase
in4aride
mco1xj +(2wd buggies) + 1 xj (4 total)
Kiefer316
Yella (if bor rig works right)
jeepfreak (sorting things out)

[in4aride]

might possibly have another XJ coming up with me, depends if he can get his new trac bar installed in time

[time2getdirty]

Any interest for Spring Creek on Saturday(10/9)?

[in4aride]

i would but i work, hence sunday

[Kiefer316]

Mike I'm in sw littleton. Bout c470 and wads area. Can be at i70 and federal in the am.

I'm thinkin 830 is a little early. 9 -930 would work better but whatever works for everyone else

[in4aride]

cool man, you got my number, just let me know when and where ya want me to meet up with ya and ill be good to go
but if ya wanna come by where we will be staying you should...
its a college house full of chics, ya dig

[mcantar18c]

So uh... where's this college house full of chicks?
Quit holdin out on us :D

[in4aride]

hahahaha, sorry, strict no D-bag rule



:D

[Kiefer316]

Muahahahaha

[YELLAHEEP]

hahahaha, sorry, strict no D-bag rule



:D



Ouch....... dayum, right in the beans!

:laugh:

[in4aride]

hahahahahaha, he knows i am just playin.....


or does he?! :shhh:

[in4aride]

hey shouldnt you be fixin that BOR rig so we can wheel sunday?

[YELLAHEEP]

hey shouldnt you be fixin that BOR rig so we can wheel sunday?

If I had an effing clue where to start with it's problem, I'd be out there right now....... But having swapped out the entire throttle body with one from a good running rig, swapping the ECU with one from a good running rig, fresh battery in it......... there's no explaination for it's issues:

-Won't start easily. Requires alot of cranking with the gas pedal floored. When it starts, it belches black smoke and runs like ass, dies when you let your foot off.
-Will rough idle at barely above 650 RPM after about 2-3 minutes of keeping the foot on the gas, but the minute you put it into gear, or try to push on the gas pedal again, it immediately dies.
-NONE of the dash gauges work. Odometer, other warning lights work, but gauges are dead.
-Tail pipe and the lower area of the bumper where the exhaust tip is are soot-black.


I am uber-stumped and it's gonna piss me off when I do finally figure out what it's problem was........ probably something fawkin' simple.

I've just NEVER come across a rig that runs this badly - barely at all - and doesn't set a single OBD code.

Someone else got me wondering if it isn't the alarm system (has auto start feature) fawkin' with the signals/circuits or something. It's wired into damn near everything.

Might have to kill it with fire.........

[in4aride]

damn , thats shitty

[navyblue123]

I think im in for spring creek wanna make it through everything this time.

[xjcase]

Sunday October 10th - Spring creek run

Meeting place has changed: Dumont exit 234 - the one with the truck scales and truck stop with BK and subway.


In as of now:
xjcase
in4aride + 1
mco1xj +(2wd buggies) + 1 xj (4 total)
Kiefer316
Yella (if bor rig works right) - doubtful
jeepfreak (sorting things out)
navyblue

So that's looking like 9-10 possible rigs so far.


I like the idea of changing the meeting time to 9:15-30 for those who are farther away or would like to drink more on saturday night. :cheers:

who all has a cb?

[navyblue123]

im out crawled under jeep today and just noticed upper control arm mount is broke off from the axle.

[.40CalPatriot]

im out crawled under jeep today and just noticed upper control arm mount is broke off from the axle.

What side?

[in4aride]

ok so 9:15-30 is the new time for sure?

[YELLAHEEP]

Yeah, I'm gonna need to find a used '97 TCM before the run. I ain't paying $245 for a new one. :eek:

[in4aride]

holy cow thats pricey!
that whats holding the BOR rig down?

[navyblue123]

it is passenger side.

[YELLAHEEP]

holy cow thats pricey!
that whats holding the BOR rig down?

I'm hoping so. Finally got it to store a code - P1694 and the reading I've done on it says it's likely the TCM. It has all the right symptoms and I've replaced everything else.

My buddy Terry actually has a '97 parts rig and I'm going to go snag the TCM from it in the morning..........

Wish me luck. :thumbup:

[in4aride]

kick ass! ive been scavenging CL trying to find ya one but no luck, not even any 97's listed for part out

[YELLAHEEP]

Ok, so my buddy didn't realize his parts rig was a '98........... still looking for a TCM.

[xjcase]

Yeup time is for sure 9:15-9:30 at the Downeville exit.

Yella, find a new TCM pronto!!

[Kiefer316]

Yella I'm goin to the yard tomorrow to search around. Ill keep my eyes peeled. Don't think there are any 97's at CAP. But might be going to upap too.

[YELLAHEEP]

Well, I found a TCM at a bone yard earlier today and............

That didn't fix it.

Fawkin hell.

Short of having used all brand new parts as replacements in diagnosing/repairing these problems........ Every stinking sensor/computer has been swapped out to no avail.

Aparently there must be a few components that are fairly exclusive to the '97 model year.

I had put a '98 ECU in place of the original one.... it made all the gauges unresponsive and it turned the A/C on when the dash switches were off. It was the '98 ECU that ended up with a set and readable code - P1694 and P0700. I replaced the TCU with another '97 TCU and no change. So that got me to thinking that the '98 ECU was not compatible with the '97 TCM. I removed the '98 ECU and replaced the original '97 ECU and the gauges work again and the A/C is back to normal....... but it still runs like shit just like it did before the TCU swap. To determine if there was a CCD Bus issue like the P1694 code says may be present, I even swapped out the gauge cluster with another - from a '98 with no change. So I'm guessing even the gauge clusters are not interchangeable. The CPS was swapped out for another confirmed working used one. No change.

I'm at a total fawkin loss on what to do now. Something is fawking with it's ability to hold an idle unless it's sitting at 1100 RPM. It runs like shit at any RPM below that but usually just dies. It's running rich as hell. I have to press the gas pedal to the floor in order to get it to start. Occasionally the IAC will open for no reason and the RPM's jump to 2000. When this happens, the fuel and temp gauges go flat.

I may just break out the ohm meter now and start the tedious process of testing all the gawdamn sensors just to rule out having replaced one bad TPS with another bad TPS and so on....... which should be pretty much impossible as the ENTIRE throttle body with sensors was removed from a running rig.........

:banghead:

Unless a miracle happens tomorrow......... I'll be at home for Sunday's run.

[in4aride]

We still runnin if it rains??

Troy that really sucks

[hurley842002]

Man, sorry to hear that. Guess neither of us were meant to go on a run this weekend.

[xjcase]

rain or snow, I'm runnin' it. All it does it make it a little more interesting and keep the standing around to a minimum right?

I'll be there 9:15 or shortly thereafter, and I'll be on channel 21 all the way up there.

so...

xjcase
in4aride (+ 1?)
mco1xj +(2wd buggies) + 1 xj (4 total) those buggies might not like the rain if they are open
Kiefer316
jeepfreak (sorting things out but looking hopeful)


Happy birthday btw

[YELLAHEEP]

You guys have fun! I was really hoping to get Spring Creek ran before the snow flies this year........ Guess it'll have to wait for next Summer.

Fawkin' BOR rig has me stumped. Gonna haul it to the storage lot and get it outta my sight for the winter because all it does is piss me off right now...... :mad:

[Kiefer316]

Whoo goin to bed right now! See ya all at the exit in the am

[hurley842002]

You guys have fun, and be safe. Hate to see the BOR rig going away for the winter.

[mcantar18c]

I'm out... REALLY wanna go, but found out earlier tonight that we're having a brunch/party thing for my grandma's bday :banghead:

[in4aride]

You didn't miss much. I'll never go on that trail again. Felt like beaver lake or WTF ever that trail was that would never end in BV. It started to snow. And bfg at's suck with open diff. Just sayin. Got lotsa pics I'll post in trip report thread when home.

[Kiefer316]

You didn't miss much. I'll never go on that trail again. Felt like beaver lake or WTF ever that trail was that would never end in BV. It started to snow. And bfg at's suck with open diff. Just sayin. Got lotsa pics I'll post in trip report thread when home.

Kinda figured you didn't like it much... I can't complain. It's close and I got to scrach my new to me diff cover! :D

Still had a fun day though.

[ColoradoRaptor]

You didn't miss much. I'll never go on that trail again. Felt like beaver lake or WTF ever that trail was that would never end in BV. It started to snow. And bfg at's suck with open diff. Just sayin. Got lotsa pics I'll post in trip report thread when home.

True ADD/ADHD right there...................... A true wheeler is in it for the long haul as well as the short and sweet!!

Sounds like Im would like Spring Creek!!

[ColoradoRaptor]

You guys have fun! I was really hoping to get Spring Creek ran before the snow flies this year........ Guess it'll have to wait for next Summer.

Fawkin' BOR rig has me stumped. Gonna haul it to the storage lot and get it outta my sight for the winter because all it does is piss me off right now...... :mad:

Sorry to hear about all the trouble Troy! For what it's worth I wanted to run Spring Creek too........ I will run it with you next summer :D

[YELLAHEEP]

I dunno why Mike thought Spring Creek was a long trail....... it really isn't unless you're stuck with a bunch of ill-equipped rigs and inexperienced drivers.........

It's the drive down from the top that sucks donkey-peppers.

[in4aride]

just seemed like it took forever. and with as few obsticles as there was made it even more drawn out.
the whole trail and trip down felt like the drive to eagle rock, the trail, and then the drive back down lol
just was a lot of driving for such little gratification

[.40CalPatriot]

just was a lot of driving for such little gratification


:eye:

[in4aride]

ah, i was anticipating a response to that. just figured it would be from flores or mason...



speaking of flores, has that rat f*** paid up yet or what?!

[YELLAHEEP]

the whole trail and trip down felt like the drive to eagle rock, the trail, and then the drive back down lol
just was a lot of driving for such little gratification


It all highway to and from Spring Creek! How's that ANYTHING like the miles of seemingly endless washboard, 20 mph dirt road from Broadmoor to Eagle Rock?????

The trip down from the top of Spring Creek is your own fault - shoulda just turned around and 'wheeled back down...... :D

Yeah, from the 'Springs it's a haul........ not unlike Eagle Rock is for us Denver guys...... but what trail ISN'T a haul really?

At least you got to go friggin' wheeling............ Quitcherbitchin. :D

[in4aride]

Ya it was a bit more throttle than I'm used to lol

[ColoradoRaptor]

just seemed like it took forever. and with as few obsticles as there was made it even more drawn out.
the whole trail and trip down felt like the drive to eagle rock, the trail, and then the drive back down lol
just was a lot of driving for such little gratification

Strap a JATO to your Jeep and run Spring Creek again, I bet you get a rush then......... :laugh:

[YELLAHEEP]

Strap a JATO to your Jeep and run Spring Creek again, I bet you get a rush then......... :laugh:

It's gotta be better than strapping a VATO to your jeep........ which would be like having Flores riding shotgun...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/smilies/SmileySuicide.gif

:D

[ColoradoRaptor]

It's gotta be better than strapping a VATO to your jeep........ which would be like having Flores riding shotgun...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/smilies/SmileySuicide.gif

:D

:roflmao:I wonder just how much trouble one would get into for strapping a VATO to their Jeep.................. :roflmao:

[YELLAHEEP]

:roflmao:I wonder just how much trouble one would get into for strapping a VATO to their Jeep.................. :roflmao:

Probably quite a bit......... I believe some refer to that as a "South Texas Death Ride"....... :shhh: