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Bush Admin Bail outs in a sound economy!

Ok, its obvious that SOME sort of help from the gov't is necessary...whether it be insuring or a full bail out.

BUT - regardless of which direction it goes, there need to be OTHER changes to prevent something like this from happening in the future.

....and someone should be jailed/deported for being an idiot.....
 
And you're just an asshole.....but hey, everyone else already knows that.

I fail to have read where Obama has a know-it-all solution to this problem - or even an opinion about it other than the Pelosi "this is a Republican bill, let them handle it" solution (even though it's her party that got us in this mess to begin with).

Best I've read is the link that XJEEPER posted.

And I'd rather vote for someone who admits their faults rather than someone who claims to be Allah's gift to Washington DC.

JNickel101,

I know what I am about to say goes against true conservative (note I did not say Republican!), policies, but if the Republicans had worked with the democrats 1 to 2 years ago and stopped the mortgage industry collapse by really helping to stop the massive wave of home foreclosures (with some sort of a partial bail out of some home owners) before it took the big investment banks, FM & FM, and AIG down, the cost would have been far less than it will cost now, but such a plan smacked of what many here call socialism. The democrats screamed for more help to stop the tide of forrclosures but could not get Senate republican support to do enough. As I said before, had McCains plan for tighter regulation of FM & FM taken place in 2006, it probably would have speed up the collapse we facing now. Those regulatory changes needed to happen back in 2003, or earlier to have avoided the collapse.

Had both policies been implemented a few years ago, a home owner temporary bail out that stopped automatic adjustable mortgage interest rate increases (which caused most of the home foreclosures, over 1 million per year, higher than the peak of the great Depression) ) long enough to stabilize the market, followed by a gradual but significant regulatory increase in mortgage company capital reserve requirements which was the second leg of the current financial system collapse, and closer scrutiny of the financial markets.

We probably could have avoided the mess we are in now had we done both at the right times, but it would have required a Socialistic, as some of you like to call out, bail out of the greedy businesses and would be home owners who together got of control between 2001 and 2006, combined with a staged increase in capital reserve requirments and tighter regulatory control of these financial organizations.

Correct me if I am wrong, but tighter government regulation of the financial industry and financial help to bail out home owners are not typical Republican, Conservative ideologies!

It has been my observation that one of the true differences between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats favor individual bail outs (welfare, socialism), while Republicans favor Big Business bail outs (corporate welfare, socialism). The other primary political difference I see is regulation of business. Democrats typically favor it, republicans in general don't.
 
I wanna buy this Jeep see, and, uh well, can I reach my hand into your wallet and take the money for it??

BTW, I am here from the Govt. and I am here to help you.
 
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Ok, its obvious that SOME sort of help from the gov't is necessary...whether it be insuring or a full bail out.

BUT - regardless of which direction it goes, there need to be OTHER changes to prevent something like this from happening in the future.

....and someone should be jailed/deported for being an idiot.....

Careful, your starting to sound like a democratic socialist! :party:

LOL.
 
JNickel101,

I know what I am about to say goes against true conservative (note I did not say Republican!), policies, but if the Republicans had worked with the democrats 1 to 2 years ago and stopped the mortgage industry collapse by really helping to stop the massive wave of home foreclosures (with some sort of a partial bail out of some home owners) before it took the big investment banks, FM & FM, and AIG down, the cost would have been far less than it will cost now, but such a plan smacked of what many here call socialism. The democrats screamed for more help to stop the tide of forrclosures but could not get Senate republican support to do enough. As I said before, had McCains plan for tighter regulation of FM & FM taken place in 2006, it probably would have speed up the collapse we facing now. Those regulatory changes needed to happen back in 2003, or earlier to have avoided the collapse.

Had both policies been implemented a few years ago, a home owner temporary bail out that stopped automatic adjustable mortgage interest rate increases (which caused most of the home foreclosures, over 1 million per year, higher than the peak of the great Depression) ) long enough to stabilize the market, followed by a gradual but significant regulatory increase in mortgage company capital reserve requirements which was the second leg of the current financial system collapse, and closer scrutiny of the financial markets.

We probably could have avoided the mess we are in now had we done both at the right times, but it would have required a Socialistic, as some of you like to call out, bail out of the greedy businesses and would be home owners who together got of control between 2001 and 2006, combined with a staged increase in capital reserve requirments and tighter regulatory control of these financial organizations.

Correct me if I am wrong, but tighter government regulation of the financial industry and financial help to bail out home owners are not typical Republican, Conservative ideologies!

It has been my observation that one of the true differences between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats favor individual bail outs (welfare, socialism), while Republicans favor Big Business bail outs (corporate welfare, socialism). The other primary political difference I see is regulation of business. Democrats typically favor it, republicans in general don't.
As far as individual bail outs, all I would've been in favor of would be killing ARM's and making them all FRM's. I still think people who got into an ARM are idiots, or at the least grossly misinformed/naive, and don't deserve to be saved from themselves, but at the same time, if we hold them responsible to pay their mortgages but don't allow banks to jack up the rate, it's a win-win. Accountability is maintaned, banks don't lose their money to a foreclosure. As far as bailing out the banks since we didn't stop this from happening? If we loan them money, it will be paid back with mucho interest. I think the better plan would be temporarily extending FDIC coverage to cover existing subprime bonds/mortgages and in all scenarios, outlaw adjustable rate anything, with the exception of credit cards as those are not necessities. However, I would require that debtors be allowed to opt out of continuing to carry that card without accepting the increase. Pay off the balance at the old rate, but not be able to use that card anymore or apply for a new one for x amt of time.
 
Careful, your starting to sound like a democratic socialist! :party:

LOL.

Well, my real solution would just be to kick out all of the idiots involved - I dont think that is Dem/Socialist.

Regardless of the solution, ALL of Washington should have been working to fix this - instead of just watching all of the oily rags pile up, knowing it was going to spontaneously combust some day - they should have listened to all of the warnings.

Bring on a depression...hell I dont care. I'll just deploy again for a year.
 
As far as individual bail outs, all I would've been in favor of would be killing ARM's and making them all FRM's. I still think people who got into an ARM are idiots, or at the least grossly misinformed/naive, and don't deserve to be saved from themselves, but at the same time, if we hold them responsible to pay their mortgages but don't allow banks to jack up the rate, it's a win-win. Accountability is maintaned, banks don't lose their money to a foreclosure. As far as bailing out the banks since we didn't stop this from happening? If we loan them money, it will be paid back with mucho interest. I think the better plan would be temporarily extending FDIC coverage to cover existing subprime bonds/mortgages and in all scenarios, outlaw adjustable rate anything, with the exception of credit cards as those are not necessities. However, I would require that debtors be allowed to opt out of continuing to carry that card without accepting the increase. Pay off the balance at the old rate, but not be able to use that card anymore or apply for a new one for x amt of time.

OT, but I still wanna see pics of your rig....

:D
 
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Chit just stand up.. I like this pic......
 
Hot off the presses tonight!

"Washington Mutual Inc was closed by the U.S. government in by far the largest failure of a U.S. bank, and its banking assets were sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co for $1.9 billion."

"FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said the bailout happened on Thursday night because of media leaks, and to calm customers. Usually, the FDIC takes control of failed institutions on Friday nights, giving it the weekend to go through the books and enable them to reopen smoothly the following Monday. Washington Mutual has about $307 billion of assets and $188 billion of deposits, regulators said. The largest previous U.S. banking failure was Continental Illinois National Bank & Trust, which had $40 billion of assets when it collapsed in 1984."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE48P08920080926

http://www.google.com/search?q=Wash...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aWuwJu28ehv4&refer=home

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican rebellion stalled government efforts Thursday to avoid economic meltdown, a chaotic turnaround that disrupted the choreography of am extraordinary White House meeting meant to show joint resolve from the president, the political parties and the presidential candidates.
After six days of intensive talks on the $700 billion financial industry bailout proposed by the Bush administration, with Wall Street tottering and presidential politics intruding six weeks before the election, there was more confusion than clarity.
An apparent breakthrough was announced with fanfare at midday by key members of Congress from both parties — but not top leaders. Wall Street cautiously showed its pleasure, with the Dow Jones industrials closing 196 points higher.
But the good news and the market close were followed by a rash of less-positive developments.
Washington Mutual Inc. was seized by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. in the largest failure ever of a U.S. bank, after which JPMorgan Chase & Co. Inc. came to its rescue by buying the thrift's banking assets.
And a late-afternoon White House summit bringing together President Bush, presidential contenders John McCain and Barack Obama, and top congressional leaders, described as "a full-throated discussion" by one person in the room and "a contentious shouting match" by McCain's campaign, broke up with conflicts in plain view.
Conservatives were in revolt over the astonishing price tag of the proposal and the hand of government that it would place on private markets.
Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, emerged from the White House meeting to say the announced agreement "is obviously no agreement." McCain's campaign issued a statement saying, "the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favor of Wall Street." The White House, too, acknowledged there was no deal, only progress.
Meanwhile a group of House GOP lawmakers circulated an alternative that would put much less focus on a government takeover of failing institutions' sour assets. This proposal would have the government provide insurance to companies that agree to hold frozen assets, rather than have the U.S. purchase the assets.
Inside the White House session, House Republican leader John Boehner announced his concerns about the emerging plan and asked that the conservatives' alternative be considered, said people from both parties who were briefed on the exchange. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.
Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, the feisty Democrat who has been leading negotiations with Paulson, reacted angrily, saying Republicans had waited until the last moment to present their proposal.
Meanwhile McCain, who dramatically announced Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign to deal with the economic crisis, stayed silent for most of the session and spoke only briefly to voice general principles for a rescue plan.
Weary congressional negotiators then resumed working into the night, joined by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson in an effort to revive or rework the proposal that Bush said must be quickly approved by Congress to stave off potentially "a long and painful recession." They gave up after 10 p.m. EDT, more than an hour after the lone House Republican involved, Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, left the room.
Talks were to resume Friday morning on the effort to bail out failing financial institutions and restart the flow of credit that has begun to starve the national economy.
The Bush administration plan's centerpiece remained for the government to buy the toxic, mortgage-based assets of shaky financial institutions in a bid to keep them from going under and setting off a cascade of ruinous events, including wiped-out retirement savings, rising home foreclosures, closed businesses and lost jobs."



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ioHc80xKMiATnqCpK0cDKJzk_nPQD93E5JR80
 
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