why all the hate?

[420BlackXJ]

Locally, IRO is either loved or hated.
I have dealt with them, and fall into one of these 2 categories.:confused1
I have to admit, there is something to be loved and something to be hated about them IMO.

 

[sic1to]

I would put my 88XJ w/ 8" IRO LONGARM toe to toe with any radius setup!!! The only two with the flex of this kit is CLAYTON or TERAFLEX.!!! There is nothing wrong with 3 link accept upper bushing does wear a bit>>> after 6 weeks of torture its all together and willing!!!

 

[ktm racer 419]

I would put my 88XJ w/ 8" IRO LONGARM toe to toe with any radius setup!!! The only two with the flex of this kit is CLAYTON or TERAFLEX.!!! There is nothing wrong with 3 link accept upper bushing does wear a bit>>> after 6 weeks of torture its all together and willing!!!

any backyard hack with a welder can make any longarm 3link, 4 link or radius arm setup flex to the earths mantle

and teraflex is only half a longarm.

 

[Coastie]

I love IRO threads.

I also love my IRO long arms, for me they do what I want and anyone in this thread that says they can break my little ole' 10mm bolt can come visit and give it a try. I have been trying since January and just can't seem to mess it up. Broken just about everything else up front though.

 

[Ba-Riedo]

IRO took a radius arm setup and made it worse. i already dont like radius arms for the binding/load issues and these just add more binding factors into the equation. Oh hey, lets weld the UCA to the LCA. why we're at it, lets just only run a single upper and let a stock UCA bushing and bolt try to withstand all the axle wrap. even if one may not experience all-out bind with their setup, its still gunna wanna eat thru all the axle side rubber bushings. the kit leaves alot of room for improvement and pretty much kills any thought of using a different axle other the a stock D30.

:laugh:

Ever run a wristed radius arm setup or are you just making a ton of assumptions? I went from TNT Radius arms (for about 2 years) and hated them (customer service being one of the issues and the attitude of the employees there) and made it a wristed radius arm setup running all hard joints. This flexed better and bound up less then a traditional radius arm setup. The geometry on this is exactly like running a 3 link with the upper and lower terminating at the same point on the body. So it will still unload and have bad caster but it works alright.

I talked with the IRO guys in Moab this year and they seem like cool dudes, willing to stand behind a product that they make. Currently I am now running a custom 3 link with aluminum links and ballistic fab joints. I wouldn't run anything other then a custom 3 link in the future, FWIW.

-Alex

 

[Spooky]

As much as I don't like the cam adjuster and as small as the 10 mm bolt may be I would be more concerned with the factory LCA bracket. I ripped mine halfway off running an early RK 3link (single)radius setup and I didn't wheel all that hard. Single radius setups won't bind in articulation but they put all the stress from wrap on one side. Beef the crap out of the brackets and you ought to be ok.

If the 10 mm bolt does break you'll be in for some fun though. The weld on UCA bracket from My early RK kit ripped off while going down the highway(poor weld penetration). The axle rolled forward, I lost the ability to steer, nearly hit a car and ended up in a ditch.

 

[1990JEEPXJ]

people have broken that 10mm bolt. not with IRO's kit, but broke is broke

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/has-anyone-else-broke-uca-bolts-axle-end-316576/

 

[srmitchell]

Damn it. I like the kit so much, but every single forum makes me want to run away.

 

[ColoradoRaptor]

This thread cracks me up!! It is not hate as much as it is ignorance! I love how everyone here is a super duper rocket scientist with years of offroad experience! IRO has been in business for a while now and from what I have seen, those that run their stuff like it alot. Who cares if their system does not stack up to the opinions of some people here, it really matters not! If it works, then use it........... which it seems to do! Unless you can build a better mouse trap STFU! If you have, you can still STFU unless you want to put your nifty design on the market for the rest of us super duper rocket scientists to judge!! And no, I am not running IRO as I personally dislike any radius arm setup.............. .!..!.

 

[winkosmosis]

The problem is XJ people don't have that much experience with IRO. They're well known and well liked in the WJ world.

 

[winkosmosis]

IRO took a radius arm setup and made it worse. i already dont like radius arms for the binding/load issues and these just add more binding factors into the equation. Oh hey, lets weld the UCA to the LCA. why we're at it, lets just only run a single upper and let a stock UCA bushing and bolt try to withstand all the axle wrap. even if one may not experience all-out bind with their setup, its still gunna wanna eat thru all the axle side rubber bushings. the kit leaves alot of room for improvement and pretty much kills any thought of using a different axle other the a stock D30.



I can guarantee you would lose at least 75% of the haters out there just if IRO junked the stupid caster adjuster and simply used an UCA with a threaded joint attached to the lower like the other radius arm setups.






Personally, im a hater and have never used the setup and never will. i know for a fact i could destroy it. I dont know what Id run first, IRO longarms or Teraflex longarms .!..!.

First of all, you can get it without the caster adjuster.

Second of all, I don't think you understand the physics of a radius arm at all. Having one radius arm means there is NO BIND. That's the significant advantage of IRO vs the "4 links" a lot of people use, which are really 5 links with inherent bind.

 

[sunburned]

Except that the only people with anything bad to say about IRO are the ones doing based off, "Well, I think..."

Sometimes that's all you need. Maybe some of us on here happen to be engineers or fabricators or have a ton of off-road experience. You don't have to buy a kit, wheel it, and break it to figure out that it's not the best design in the world. I'm glad that nobody has broken the kit yet and I'm glad they are great guys, but I just wouldn't trust that kit to run on my DD/wheeling XJ. I'm not going to rely on the friction of two small bolts/nuts clamping that caster adjuster in place. I saw a friend rip a stock LCA bracket off his front axle on a pretty mild trail. Who's to say that wouldn't happen with this kit, especially with the longer UCA bracket creating more torque.

Again, I'm not hating, but I just would not run the kit, nor recommend it to anyone that I care about lol. IMO, there are far better options out there for suspension.

 

[Dundy]

Except that the only people with anything bad to say about IRO are the ones doing based off, "Well, I think..."

That's because anyone that doesn't like something usually won't buy it.

I don't want to buy a $600 long arm kit only to keep the thought of one of the many components breaking and causing some serious carnage and possibly damage to myself or others.

 

[ColoradoRaptor]

That's because anyone that doesn't like something usually won't buy it.

I believe that goes for anyone!

I don't want to buy a $600 long arm kit only to keep the thought of one of the many components breaking and causing some serious carnage and possibly damage to myself or others.

Everything on a Jeep that gets wheeled will break at some point causing carnage and possibly injuring someone............. If that is your point you should not have bought a Jeep in the first place :laugh:

 

[ColoradoRaptor]

Sometimes that's all you need. Maybe some of us on here happen to be engineers or fabricators or have a ton of off-road experience. You don't have to buy a kit, wheel it, and break it to figure out that it's not the best design in the world. I'm glad that nobody has broken the kit yet and I'm glad they are great guys, but I just wouldn't trust that kit to run on my DD/wheeling XJ. I'm not going to rely on the friction of two small bolts/nuts clamping that caster adjuster in place. I saw a friend rip a stock LCA bracket off his front axle on a pretty mild trail. Who's to say that wouldn't happen with this kit, especially with the longer UCA bracket creating more torque.

Again, I'm not hating, but I just would not run the kit, nor recommend it to anyone that I care about lol. IMO, there are far better options out there for suspension.

Your logic is just that yours, everyone has an opinion as do I. My opinion is that radius arms are not for me, I like a true 4link...... but hey that is my opinion. :yelclap:

 

[kastein]

Sometimes that's all you need. Maybe some of us on here happen to be engineers or fabricators or have a ton of off-road experience. You don't have to buy a kit, wheel it, and break it to figure out that it's not the best design in the world. I'm glad that nobody has broken the kit yet and I'm glad they are great guys, but I just wouldn't trust that kit to run on my DD/wheeling XJ. I'm not going to rely on the friction of two small bolts/nuts clamping that caster adjuster in place. I saw a friend rip a stock LCA bracket off his front axle on a pretty mild trail. Who's to say that wouldn't happen with this kit, especially with the longer UCA bracket creating more torque.

Again, I'm not hating, but I just would not run the kit, nor recommend it to anyone that I care about lol. IMO, there are far better options out there for suspension.

To say this another way, paraphrasing ktm racer 419 from a thread on revolver shackles... "I don't need to run it, watching them suck on other people's rigs is enough for me"

 

[ColoradoRaptor]

To say this another way, paraphrasing ktm racer 419 from a thread on revolver shackles... "I don't need to run it, watching them suck on other people's rigs is enough for me"

That is classic! BUT there is still some hate there.............. I am guessing you have never seen the IRO longarm in action! I have yet to see it..... maybe when I do I will have a more interesting opinion.......... :laugh:

 

[xcm]

Sometimes that's all you need. Maybe some of us on here happen to be engineers or fabricators or have a ton of off-road experience. You don't have to buy a kit, wheel it, and break it to figure out that it's not the best design in the world. I'm glad that nobody has broken the kit yet and I'm glad they are great guys, but I just wouldn't trust that kit to run on my DD/wheeling XJ. I'm not going to rely on the friction of two small bolts/nuts clamping that caster adjuster in place. I saw a friend rip a stock LCA bracket off his front axle on a pretty mild trail. Who's to say that wouldn't happen with this kit, especially with the longer UCA bracket creating more torque.

Again, I'm not hating, but I just would not run the kit, nor recommend it to anyone that I care about lol. IMO, there are far better options out there for suspension.

well said! personally, i want a real 4link, thats the heart of why i would never run the iro kit, but yeah, i also dont like the design.

also, just look at the rigs, the ones running the iro's are typically budget built trail rig.... find me a rig pushin 60's on the iro kit.

 

[kastein]

also, just look at the rigs, the ones running the iro's are typically budget built trail rig.... find me a rig pushin 60's on the iro kit.

(a) yeah, it's targeted at the budget crowd, I have no problem with it there, since I am sorta part of that crowd :anon:
(b) since it's targeted at the budget crowd, it is designed to bolt-on to a dana 30, it'd be just plain stupid to apply it to something as big as a 60 so I doubt you'll ever see it... probably a good thing.

 

[XJLI]

I love IRO threads.

I also love my IRO long arms, for me they do what I want and anyone in this thread that says they can break my little ole' 10mm bolt can come visit and give it a try. I have been trying since January and just can't seem to mess it up. Broken just about everything else up front though.

give your jeep to me or sam (ktmracer419) or almost anyone else in NAC and i give that bolt no more than 5 minutes.