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Old May 30th, 2008, 12:17
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The ACLU supports Child

pornography? Link to article
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The American Center for Law and Justice filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of United States v. Williams. We filed this brief on behalf of our own organization as well as eighteen Members of the United States Congress. Five of those Members of Congress sponsored an Act, known as the Protect Act, designed to protect children from the increasing problems of internet pornography. Specifically, the legislation at issue prohibited pandering of child pornography online even if no sale of pornography took place. Today, the Supreme Court in a 7-2 decision ruled in our favor.

The statute prohibits any person from advertising, promoting, presenting, distributing or soliciting through the mails or computer, any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief that the material or purported material is an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct or a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexual conduct. Michael Williams challenged his conviction alleging that prosecution for pandering material that one does not possess would be unconstitutional under the First Amendment Free Speech Clause. The ACLU joined an amicus brief in support of Mr. Williams.

In our brief, we asserted that the Act was constitutional. It was designed to give U.S. Attorneys prosecutorial tools to use against those who are pandering child pornography online. We asserted in our brief: “Congress’s purpose for the pandering provision was to combat trafficking in child pornography by punishing those who pander it.”

In his opinion, Justice Scalia held that the Court had “long held that obscene speech – sexually explicit material that violates fundamental notions of decency – is not protected by the First Amendment.” The Court further noted that the government “may criminalize the possession of child pornography, even though it may not criminalize the mere possession of obscene material involving adults.”

The ACLU challenged the constitutionality of the statute, asserting that the statute does not require the actual existence of child pornography and, therefore, would violate the First Amendment Free Speech provision. The Court duly noted that “rather than targeting the underlying material, this statute bans the collateral speech that introduces such material into the child pornography distribution network. Thus, an Internet user who solicits child pornography from an undercover agent violates the statute even if the officer possesses no child pornography. Likewise, a person who advertises virtual child pornography as depicting actual children also falls within the reach of the statute.”

Justice Scalia noted that “offers to engage in illegal transactions are categorically excluded from First Amendment protection...In sum, we hold that offers to provide or requests to obtain child pornography are categorically excluded from the First Amendment.”

The positions that we advocated in our amicus brief were adopted by the Supreme Court. It’s important to note that the Court now has a firm understanding of the problems associated with the increasing issue of child pornography online. The concluding paragraph of the opinion holds that:

“Child pornography harms and debases the most defenseless of our
citizens. Both the State and Federal governments have sought to
suppress it for many years, only to find it proliferating through the
new medium of the Internet. This Court held unconstitutional
Congress’ previous attempt to meet this new threat, and Congress
responded with a carefully crafted attempt to eliminate the First
Amendment problems we identified. As far as the provision at
issue in this case is concerned, that effort was successful.”

Justice Scalia wrote the opinion of the Court in which Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Stevens, Kennedy, Thomas, Breyer and Alito joined.

Justice Souter filed the dissenting opinion in which Justice Ginsburg joined.
Seriously, I'm all for protecting people's rights and all, but does the ACLU just jump on every case where someone is told no? Guy was soliciting child porn from an undercover agent I guess, got busted, went to court and the ACLU fought to defend his right to solicit child porn as Protected speech?
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Old May 30th, 2008, 12:22
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Anyone affiliated with or in any way supporting the ACLU should be deported. No wait. Hit in the head with a brick. Then deported. To Tehran. Or the Sudan. Somalia. Ethiopia.

And set them on fire. Add Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to the crew, just for fun.
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Old May 30th, 2008, 12:23
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Anyone affiliated with or in any way supporting the ACLU should be deported. No wait. Hit in the head with a brick. Then deported. To Tehran. Or the Sudan. Somalia. Ethiopia.

And set them on fire. Add Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to the crew, just for fun.
Ignorance at it's finest. Dude, the ACLU speaks for everyone...not just the 'liberals'. So much so that I don't pay attention to them anymore.
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Old May 30th, 2008, 12:28
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Ignorance at it's finest. Dude, the ACLU speaks for everyone...not just the 'liberals'. So much so that I don't pay attention to them anymore.
Their only purpose is to tie up the court system.
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Ignorance at it's finest. Dude, the ACLU speaks for everyone...not just the 'liberals'. So much so that I don't pay attention to them anymore.
The problem is the ACLu speaks for child molesters and who knows who else who isn't deserving of keeping their "right" to whatever perversion they're in.
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The problem is the ACLu speaks for child molesters and who knows who else who isn't deserving of keeping their "right" to whatever perversion they're in.
Yup, it sucks.
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Ignorance at it's finest. Dude, the ACLU speaks for everyone...not just the 'liberals'. So much so that I don't pay attention to them anymore.
Its not ignorance. Its anger. F*ck the ACLU. I will NEVER need their assistance. If they even TRIED to help me, I'd refuse.
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Next thing you know, they'll support the "rights" of rapists, murderers, drug dealers....
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Ignorance at it's finest. Dude, the ACLU speaks for everyone...not just the 'liberals'. So much so that I don't pay attention to them anymore.
Do you actually think the ACLU speaks for everyone? When was the last time they were outraged at "racial injustice" towards white people? The ACLU is a joke.
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or our right to wheel???
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ACLU is a joke, period.....
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Do you actually think the ACLU speaks for everyone? When was the last time they were outraged at "racial injustice" towards white people? The ACLU is a joke.
Or anything involving Christians being told no? That's the reason the ACLJ is in operation now. People wanting to put up a nativity display in a public space, not sponsored or endorsed by the public authorities, being told they can't because it may offend someone. But then standing up for Islam or Buddhist rights. I'm not advocating shutting down Islamic or Buddhist activities, but if you're going to fight for their rights, to be fair and equal would require fighting for Christian, Jewish and Catholic right as well...

They're the American Civil Liberties Union. Since when is child porn a "civil" liberty?
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Nice!!! Child Porn is not a liberty it's a CRIME!!!!!
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Or anything involving Christians being told no? That's the reason the ACLJ is in operation now. People wanting to put up a nativity display in a public space, not sponsored or endorsed by the public authorities, being told they can't because it may offend someone. But then standing up for Islam or Buddhist rights. I'm not advocating shutting down Islamic or Buddhist activities, but if you're going to fight for their rights, to be fair and equal would require fighting for Christian, Jewish and Catholic right as well...
Oops

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...226565,00.html
ACLU defends 2nd grader's right to sing 'Awesome God' at school talent show.

Oops

http://www.crosswalk.com/1263338/
ACLU defends Michigan valedictorian's yearbook entry that was deleted by school staff because it contained a bible verse.

Oops (this one's for fun)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/us...9NqmHOo1RafO0A
ACLU joins NRA to defend Texans' gun rights.

Carry on.
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They dont support Christianity b/c its the majority religion in the US. The ACLU doesnt support anything in majority, ONLY minorities.

EDIT: ok, "oops" - they fight just for the sake of arguing. To garner attention, or make headlines.
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