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Old November 14th, 2020, 07:37
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Also a SYE. Any suggestions ? the SYE will probably be next.
Advance Adapter SYE works well for me, DO NOT BUY Rugged Ridge, Crown Automotive, or any other unknown / store brands.

Stick with JB or AA.
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Old November 14th, 2020, 09:39
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Re: What's next for a mild trail rig?

Im on bored with jb conversations. Im looking into the super short version mainly because my tcase may grow
Longer.

https://www.jbconversions.com/index2.php?pc=1

Anak has some great info.

Jb conversions seem to be top knotch.

Im liking northwest fabworks to.
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Old November 15th, 2020, 22:35
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What's next for a mild trail rig?

Jeep, winch welder what else is really needed

To drag things like digging buckets in out of the rain. Straighten bumpers. Pull fence posts out of the ground. Pull trees over.

Can you tell im pushing the winch

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Old November 16th, 2020, 15:14
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So rear output goes to rear axle front out put to front axle.

If transmission is lowered 1" at the cross member the entire unit pivots on the motor mounts and lowers. Everything the same. Possible un measurable angle change due to pivoting in motor mounts

Tcase clocking would be the only way to actually change things to front vs rear axle.

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This is correct. Dropping the tranny/tcase benefits both front and rear driveline angles. The angle change on the front driveshaft at the tcase due to the entire drivetrain rotating around the engine mounts is small and is more than offset by the tcase being lowered. And besides that, its on the double cardan side of the driveshaft, so its a non-issue anyhow. But the lowered tranny and tcase does affect ground clearance. If ground clearance is not expected to be an issue, I'd leave the tranny/tcase lowered. Then there is no need for an SYE for the rear drive shaft, at least for a 3.5" lift.

As far at the thread topic goes, I'd first change all fluids, thermostat, spark plugs, O2 sensors, and maybe the coil pack. If the valve cover gasket is leaking, I'd change that. I also recommend the pan and rear main seal gaskets. My 200 XJ only had 109K miles on it when I bought it, and its visually in near perfect condition, but when I had the rear main seal changed, we found that the old, hard seal had worn a groove in the sealing surface on the crank. It will forever leak at the rear main seal. I recommend to everyone to proactively change the rear main seal before that happens. Might also be a good idea to do the crank angle sensor as well.

After that, I'd agree that a winch, tow hooks front and rear, and some kind of limited slip or locking rear diff are good steps for off roading. And good tires. Could also consider installing a steering shaft brace.

One question I'm curious to hear from others is whether increasing the final drive ratio is worth the cost when running just 31" tires (which is what my XJ has as well).
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Old November 18th, 2020, 04:46
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What's next for a mild trail rig?

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If you lower the t-case rear output, the front output is raised.

For mild to medium trails, and with an adult attitude driver, a winch IMO, is not essential, as long as there is a properly equipped group of 4x4's to assist should there be a mishap, or a stuck. That money could be put to more useful basic upgrades.

Equipment choices are personal, based upon ones needs, and terrain commonly traveled. I have been stuck plenty, but have never had a "Bubba, hold my beer and watch this" episode.

Your definition of mild and someone elseís are different. Iíve used my winch and so have others at points in trail we were greatful to have them. Itís $300 for a harbor freight one and I one of the bet recovery tools. Iíd consider it basic and Iím just starting out off roading.
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Old November 18th, 2020, 04:51
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What's next for a mild trail rig?

Change your crank position sensor and keep the one you have as a spare because you know it works. If the CPS goes out youíre going nowhere until itís fixed.

Rock sliders, bumper with recovery points in the rear, frame stiffeners, etc.
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Old November 19th, 2020, 08:53
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Re: What's next for a mild trail rig?

I have a 1999 XJ with 189,000 miles. I replaced the entire exhaust from the header back this year because of a cracked header. I went with Banks Power for everything, except for the catalytic converter, which is a Flowmaster.

You probably won't have the cracked head issue for awhile, but if you do, you'll notice a sluggish vehicle with not much power.

Replacing the exhaust brought the power of the 4.0 back and it sounds like a deep throated bad ass now. Not loud, but just the perfect deep rich tone.

Winch and bumpers for sure if you want to get into anything challenging and worth a risk.
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Old November 19th, 2020, 17:42
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Re: What's next for a mild trail rig?

There is no such thing as a mild trail rig, only an unfinished one.
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There is no such thing as a mild trail rig, only an unfinished one.
Boy, ain't that the truth.

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Re: What's next for a mild trail rig?

Mine started out mild, a budget boost, and the factory installed Limited Slip. Modifications were made as necessary to meet my specific needs and the trails I run on. 18 years later and I still have no winch.
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Change your crank position sensor and keep the one you have as a spare because you know it works. If the CPS goes out youíre going nowhere until itís fixed.
Will it throw a code when the CPS goes south? Or, what are the symptoms.
Good call, I have one on order. Carry a TPS also but I don't think that will shut you down.
I carry an OPDII reader with diagnostic app also. Just for kicks.
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Will it throw a code when the CPS goes south? Or, what are the symptoms.
Good call, I have one on order. Carry a TPS also but I don't think that will shut you down.
I carry an OPDII reader with diagnostic app also. Just for kicks.
It stops running. I don't think the ECU puts up a code. If you carry a spare sensor, also make sure you have enough socket extensions to install it. It takes something like 2-3 ft of socket extension. Check out some of the videos on youtube.
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It stops running. I don't think the ECU puts up a code. If you carry a spare sensor, also make sure you have enough socket extensions to install it. It takes something like 2-3 ft of socket extension. Check out some of the videos on youtube.
Yup, watched YouTube on it.

Good source for genuine Mopar.

www.moparpartsgiant.com

Also ordered a serpentine belt and TPS to carry (don't think the TPS will cause it to not run but I've lost them in the past).
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Carry a spare CPS and TPS. If you get the TPS really wet, it will fail.
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Re: What's next for a mild trail rig?

Pro tip: before replacing the CPS, try unplugging and replugging it a few times to clean the contacts in the, uh, plug.
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