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Old February 7th, 2021, 09:53
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

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I swapped in the AEM 50-1220 E85-Compatible High Flow In-Tank Fuel Pump (340lph) last week to solve the fuel flow problem with my dying fuel pump. I was able to get back to Dyno tuning today. The top pull was 229 HP, which we thought might be borderline knocking , so I ended up going with the 227HP tune. The XJ is a lot
of fun to drive even with 37ís it moves!



Final tune I went with



So with the stroker build I gained about 80 rear wheel horse power.
Thatís awesome. Iíd love to see more info like this. The butt dyno always lies.
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Old February 7th, 2021, 13:30
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

Here is the dyno data to review, I've included delta hp/tq data as well as some ecu data: intake air temp, coolant temp, injector pulse width, injector duty cycle, vss, measured lambda, commanded lambda, manifold pressure.

I tried to keep coolant and intake air temperatures consistent run to tun since the power numbers vary considerable with engine temps.







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Old February 7th, 2021, 15:30
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

Now we just need to figure out a real number for powerloss in the drivetrain.
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Old February 7th, 2021, 22:27
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Now we just need to figure out a real number for powerloss in the drivetrain.

Unfortunately the only way to really know is to run a few combinations both on an engine dyno and on the hub dyno.
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Old February 7th, 2021, 22:33
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

Just a reminder as to why you need to watch your fuel pressure. This truck had no delivery issues with the stock engine, but once the bigger injectors were installed with the stroker build, the pressure started falling off excessively.

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Old February 8th, 2021, 06:32
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Pretty interesting to see that fuel pressure begins to drop off just shortly after the stroker motor power exceeds the factory power level. The factory fuel pump is just perfectly sized. So this is a returnless system?

I am a little surprised that you set the final tune to be only a few WHP below the knock threshold on a motor with no knock sensors. Doesn't leave much room for dealing with off normal situations where the engine may be hotter. Did you tune for regular gasoline or awesome CA 91?
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Old February 8th, 2021, 06:45
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I am a little surprised that you set the final tune to be only a few WHP below the knock threshold on a motor with no knock sensors. Doesn't leave much room for dealing with off normal situations where the engine may be hotter. Did you tune for regular gasoline or awesome CA 91?
I don't where you come up with this stuff? The build "itself" determines all that, Chris knows what he is seeing and adjusting/accounting for accordingly.
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Old February 8th, 2021, 06:52
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

Sounds like he's tuned his share of XJs, so I guess all is ok, but as I said, its surprising based on my experience with building and tuning my street car over the last 14 years.
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Old February 8th, 2021, 06:59
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Sounds like he's tuned his share of XJs, so I guess all is ok, but as I said, its surprising based on my experience with building and tuning my street car over the last 14 years.
I'd say your lacking on your understanding of how to properly design a build.
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Old February 8th, 2021, 07:31
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Pretty interesting to see that fuel pressure begins to drop off just shortly after the stroker motor power exceeds the factory power level. The factory fuel pump is just perfectly sized. So this is a returnless system?

I am a little surprised that you set the final tune to be only a few WHP below the knock threshold on a motor with no knock sensors. Doesn't leave much room for dealing with off normal situations where the engine may be hotter. Did you tune for regular gasoline or awesome CA 91?
Chris can comment better. All pulls were on CA 91 octane, Chris did multiple hard pulls to make sure the engine was heat soaked and had one person listening at the engine for knocking and I was at the back tail pipe looking for any grey smoke. I believe Chris also installs a sensor that listens for knock as well. One thing he takes into account is how the vehicle is used, loaded down with gear, driving in the summer to go wheeling. He was conservative and aired on the side of caution.
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Old February 8th, 2021, 07:43
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

Sounds good.
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Old February 8th, 2021, 19:02
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Pretty interesting to see that fuel pressure begins to drop off just shortly after the stroker motor power exceeds the factory power level. The factory fuel pump is just perfectly sized. So this is a returnless system?

I am a little surprised that you set the final tune to be only a few WHP below the knock threshold on a motor with no knock sensors. Doesn't leave much room for dealing with off normal situations where the engine may be hotter. Did you tune for regular gasoline or awesome CA 91?
This engine was not as knock prone as many Jeep stroker engines tend to be. If it was, I would have backed off the timing a bit more to leave some extra margin. Final timing values were not much more than stock, thatís all this engine needs. I've worked with other stroker engines that even on 91, will knock with stock timing, in some of those cases you wind up running less than what the engine needs to get near MBT which is not ideal. Finally, I donít ďzero outĒ the AIT or CLT timing modifier tables like some others do, those tables allow for additional protection via reduced ignition timing at high temperatures. Thanks for your concern but I don't wish to engage in any further banter on the topic of ignition timing on this thread.
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Old February 9th, 2021, 06:53
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This engine was not as knock prone as many Jeep stroker engines tend to be. If it was, I would have backed off the timing a bit more to leave some extra margin. Final timing values were not much more than stock, thatís all this engine needs. I've worked with other stroker engines that even on 91, will knock with stock timing, in some of those cases you wind up running less than what the engine needs to get near MBT which is not ideal. Finally, I donít ďzero outĒ the AIT or CLT timing modifier tables like some others do, those tables allow for additional protection via reduced ignition timing at high temperatures. Thanks for your concern but I don't wish to engage in any further banter on the topic of ignition timing on this thread.
Sounds like you got it covered.
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Re: Started my 4.7 Stroker build today.

How much did this 80 RWHP cost? To me this doesnt seem very cost effective.
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Here is the dyno data to review, I've included delta hp/tq data as well as some ecu data: intake air temp, coolant temp, injector pulse width, injector duty cycle, vss, measured lambda, commanded lambda, manifold pressure.

I tried to keep coolant and intake air temperatures consistent run to tun since the power numbers vary considerable with engine temps.







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Is there any data on the stroker output prior to the tune? It would be interesting to see how much power is left on the table without getting a tune.
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